Forbidden Planet

[flynn]

<p>According to Wikipedia its the first film that depicts humans as using flying saucers...</p><p>Anyone care to refute this? I can't think of any.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#800080">"All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring" - <strong>Chuck Palahniuk</strong>.</font> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>According to Wikipedia its the first film that depicts humans as using flying saucers...Anyone care to refute this? I can't think of any. <br />Posted by <strong>flynn</strong></DIV><br /><br />Ha !&nbsp; I did some looking and think I have the refutation.&nbsp; In the 1950 film, "<em>The Flying Saucer</em>", Russian and US spies search for&nbsp;a flying saucer reported flying someplace over Alaska.&nbsp; Much lameness then ensues but the point is that the saucer in question was built by a Dr Carl Lawton of Juneau .... not Pluto.&nbsp; So I think this movie is the first film depicting humans, not aliens, using saucer technology.&nbsp; </p><p>ps - Apparently the good Dr, reversing his decision to let the Ruskies to have his technology, hides a bomb in his saucer and detonates it as the bad guys try to make off in the saucer .... thus preserving democracy and odd shaped aircraft for future generations of hard drinking Americans.</p><p>http://www.aycyas.com/flyingsaucer.htm</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Saucer</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[flynn]

<p>Nice one...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I'm impressed.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#800080">"All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring" - <strong>Chuck Palahniuk</strong>.</font> </div>

 

[jim48]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ha !&nbsp; I did some looking and think I have the refutation.&nbsp; In the 1950 film, "The Flying Saucer", Russian and US spies search for&nbsp;a flying saucer reported flying someplace over Alaska.&nbsp; Much lameness then ensues but the point is that the saucer in question was built by a Dr Carl Lawton of Juneau .... not Pluto.&nbsp; So I think this movie is the first film depicting humans, not aliens, using saucer technology.&nbsp; ps - Apparently the good Dr, reversing his decision to let the Ruskies to have his technology, hides a bomb in his saucer and detonates it as the bad guys try to make off in the saucer .... thus preserving democracy and odd shaped aircraft for future generations of hard drinking Americans.http://www.aycyas.com/flyingsaucer.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Saucer <br />Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV><br /><br /><strong><font size="2">I thought that was a lost film. I've heard of it. Good work! <em>Forbidden Planet</em> was the first VHS I bought when I got my first VCR a million years ago. That was shortly after MGM went into the vaults and restored it from the original color negatives. The prints we saw at <em>Star</em> <em>Trek</em> cons in the '70s were terrible! Everything was pink and washed out. It was the Trekkies who screamed loud enough to get quality prints of movies issued, including finally <em>Star Trek</em> itself.</font></strong> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Larryman]

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"I thought Robby became the new Astrogator (astro navigator) for the C-57D."

Yes. The 'great' Robby robot replaced the original astro-navigator Lt. Jerry Farman (aboard the 'great' C-57D hyperspace patrol saucer) - who was killed by the Id monster. So, the Robby robot was saved. And so too would have been saved, the knowledge in Robby's memory banks. Like perhaps the data acquired from scanning the machine systems, while accompanying Dr. Morbius on many explorations of the Krell underground installation. Perhaps even data indicating other Krell-colonized planet locations?

 

[jim48]

Wow. An old thread returns! I've always wondered why they didn't give the ship a name. C-57D? Okay, there was NCC-1701, a.k.a. the U.S.S. Enterprise, there was the Jupiter II, there was the Seaview, etc. Forbidden Planet also begged for an original musical score, not the weird sound effects they settled for. Had it been made twenty years later Jerry Goldsmith would have been the perfect choice to score that film. I hope they never do a re-make!

 

[Larryman]

"I hope they never do a re-make!"

I agree... No Remake! But I would like a 'retro' sequel. But not from contemporary Hollywood. It would be great to pick up the continuing missions of the C-57D, some 20 years after the Altair-4 mission. That time lapse would allow introduction of a new crew, and some slight up-dating of Robby robots, and the C-57D interior to a more Star Trek TOS Enterprise interior condition.

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

"I hope they never do a re-make!"

I agree... No Remake! But I would like a 'retro' sequel. But not from contemporary Hollywood. It would be great to pick up the continuing missions of the C-57D, some 20 years after the Altair-4 mission. That time lapse would allow introduction of a new crew, and some slight up-dating of Robby robots, and the C-57D interior to a more Star Trek TOS Enterprise interior condition.

Alas they are doing a remake as I think was mentioned earlier in this thread. It was supposed to "not be a prequel exactly" which hopefully means it won't just be a retelling of the same story. I think CE had a good idea above as might a story about the Krell themselves.

 

[crazyeddie]

Wow. An old thread returns! I've always wondered why they didn't give the ship a name. C-57D? Okay, there was NCC-17-1, a.k.a. the U.S.S. Enterprise, there was the Jupiter II, there was the Seaview, etc. Forbidden Planet also begged for an original musical score, not the weird sound effects they settled for. Had it been made twenty years later Jerry Goldsmith would have been the perfect choice to score that film. I hope they never do a re-make!

I, for one, loved the "weird sound effects", which was the world's first all-electronic music score. There was, quite simply, nothing like it, before or since, and I thought it really complimented the mood of the script. It was so innovative, NPR actually did a story on it a few years ago.

Forbidden Planet is one of my all-time favorite films, and I never get tired of watching it. I have a print of the full-sized movie poster hanging in my living room!

 

[dragon04]

Wow. An old thread returns! I've always wondered why they didn't give the ship a name. C-57D? Okay, there was NCC-17-1, a.k.a. the U.S.S. Enterprise, there was the Jupiter II, there was the Seaview, etc. Forbidden Planet also begged for an original musical score, not the weird sound effects they settled for. Had it been made twenty years later Jerry Goldsmith would have been the perfect choice to score that film. I hope they never do a re-make!

I, for one, loved the "weird sound effects", which was the world's first all-electronic music score. There was, quite simply, nothing like it, before or since, and I thought it really complimented the mood of the script. It was so innovative, NPR actually did a story on it a few years ago.

Forbidden Planet is one of my all-time favorite films, and I never get tired of watching it. I have a print of the full-sized movie poster hanging in my living room!

That prequel idea of yours was one Helluva great idea. You could maybe get two movies out of that.

I just watched it again the other night on TNT or AMC. Can't remember which.

 

[JonClarke]

That's one mistleading poster - scantily clad female menanced by a monsterous robot! I want my money back!

 

[dragon04]

That's one mistleading poster - scantily clad female menanced by a monsterous robot! I want my money back!

I dunno.. Anne Francis (was she a hottie or what?) was pretty "scantily clad" for those days in the beginning of the movie, and even hinted at full out nekkid in the scene where she was swimming and Frank Drebin has to shoot the tiger.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

As far as the movie poster goes, they always do that! ie, make the girl look more risque than she actually is in the film. Dang Crazyeddie, is that an ORIGINAL cinema poster you possess? If it is, I look forward to seeing you on 'Antiques Road Show', cause I'd bet, at auction, you'd get at least 10 grand for it!
I like the prequel idea too, or, as another poster put it, a 'retro sequel'.
I say leave Robby the Robot just as he was! It would be hilarious. Except maybe they could drop the rotating hand-cuffs on either side of his head.
And Leslie Nielson could do a cameo of some kind. That too would be amusing.

Btw, as far as the cinema poster goes, I don't think we even HAD panty-bikini-underwear that skimpy in 1956. She looks to be wearing a string bikini. Perhaps the artist was trying to portray a better and brighter future!!! It's like Robby is saying: "Here's your female. Don't you want to just peel off these silk panties?"

 

[JonClarke]

That's one mistleading poster - scantily clad female menanced by a monsterous robot! I want my money back!

I dunno.. Anne Francis (was she a hottie or what?) was pretty "scantily clad" for those days in the beginning of the movie, and even hinted at full out nekkid in the scene where she was swimming and Frank Drebin has to shoot the tiger.

True, but no robot menace, which is the implication of the poster. It might be just that the poster artist was shown shome props and scenes and did the rest out of his febrile imagination. or maybe it was deliberate misdirection as to the true nature of the menace.

 

[docm]

I, for one, loved the "weird sound effects", which was the world's first all-electronic music score. There was, quite simply, nothing like it, before or since, and I thought it really complimented the mood of the script.

Electronic music pioneers Louis & Bebe Barron built oscillator circuits and a ring modulator to create those "electronic tonalities", as described in the credits. It all started when a relative who worked at 3M gave them a tape recorder as a wedding present and the rest, as they say, is history.

Such effects were easy to do with the old Commodore 64/128 as their SID (sound interface device - a MOS 6581/8580) had 3 ring modulators built in - basically done by multiplying a triangle and square wave.

No longer in production the SID is still a sought after chip, so much so you see it a lot on eBay and some groups have tried to emulate it. There are even forgeries.

 

[jim48]

I, for one, loved the "weird sound effects", which was the world's first all-electronic music score. There was, quite simply, nothing like it, before or since, and I thought it really complimented the mood of the script.

Electronic music pioneers Louis & Bebe Barron built oscillator circuits and a ring modulator to create those "electronic tonalities", as described in the credits. It all started when a relative who worked at 3M gave them a tape recorder as a wedding present and the rest, as they say, is history.

Such effects were easy to do with the old Commodore 64/128 as their SID (sound interface device - a MOS 6581/8580) had 3 ring modulators built in - basically done by multiplying a triangle and square wave.

No longer in production the SID is still a sought after chip, so much so you see it a lot on eBay and some groups have tried to emulate it. There are even forgeries.

I'm fine with some woo-woo sound effects, but that movie needed an original music score, including a love theme and a motif for Morbius/the Id.

 

[docm]

IMO perfect for the time and genre.

 

[crazyeddie]

As far as the movie poster goes, they always do that! ie, make the girl look more risque than she actually is in the film. Dang Crazyeddie, is that an ORIGINAL cinema poster you possess? If it is, I look forward to seeing you on 'Antiques Road Show', cause I'd bet, at auction, you'd get at least 10 grand for it!

Btw, as far as the cinema poster goes, I don't think we even HAD panty-bikini-underwear that skimpy in 1956. She looks to be wearing a string bikini. Perhaps the artist was trying to portray a better and brighter future!!! It's like Robby is saying: "Here's your female. Don't you want to just peel off these silk panties?"

I wish it was an original....it would probably be worth a lot more than 10 grand. I DO own an original lobby card, one of the little ones at about 6" x 10", that was given to me as a gift.....don't know how much that's worth.

I once owned a rather amusing t-shirt that was a takeoff of the famous Forbidden Planet poster, showing Robbie the Robot carrying a swooning, very fetching, muscular young man in place of the Anne Francis figure....the unstated implication being that this particular planet was very "forbidden", indeed! :lol:

Here's a version of the poster that would have been more true to the movie:

 

[Larryman]

I say leave Robby the Robot just as he was! It would be hilarious. Except maybe they could drop the rotating hand-cuffs on either side of his head.

No... Robby's rotating scanner rings should be retained. The gyroscope and light-bulb atop it's brain can be removed. The mechanical circuit-breakers on the brain box can be replaced with data led's. The replicator material-sampling slot can be eleminated from it's chest panel. And I think it needs at least 4-fingered hands.

And the C-57-D patrol saucer(s) should carry a Battlestar Galactica (TOS) 'Landram' in place of the original 'Tractor' vehicle, in sequels.

 

[crazyeddie]

I say leave Robby the Robot just as he was! It would be hilarious. Except maybe they could drop the rotating hand-cuffs on either side of his head.

No... Robby's rotating scanner rings should be retained. The gyroscope and light-bulb atop it's brain can be removed. The mechanical circuit-breakers on the brain box can be replaced with data led's. The replicator material-sampling slot can be eleminated from it's chest panel. And I think it needs at least 4-fingered hands.

It was a bit improbable that Robbie could create Altaira's beautiful dresses with the limited dexterity his stubby hands and fingers presented. They should have just used metallic-looking gloves the guy in the suit could have slipped his hands into, and it would have been a bit more believable.

But I agree, Robbie was awesome just the way he was. What I found especially hilarious was the clattering of the "adding machine" in his head just before he said anything. I'm sure that was a deliberate joke by his makers!

 

[Larryman]

I say leave Robby the Robot just as he was! It would be hilarious. Except maybe they could drop the rotating hand-cuffs on either side of his head.

No... Robby's rotating scanner rings should be retained. The gyroscope and light-bulb atop it's brain can be removed. The mechanical circuit-breakers on the brain box can be replaced with data led's. The replicator material-sampling slot can be eleminated from it's chest panel. And I think it needs at least 4-fingered hands.

It was a bit improbable that Robbie could create Altaira's beautiful dresses with the limited dexterity his stubby hands and fingers presented. They should have just used metallic-looking gloves the guy in the suit could have slipped his hands into, and it would have been a bit more believable.

But I agree, Robbie was awesome just the way he was. What I found especially hilarious was the clattering of the "adding machine" in his head just before he said anything. I'm sure that was a deliberate joke by his makers!

I was thinking more of the difficulty of holding and firing a hand blaster/phaser weapon, with only two fat fingers and a thumb. And yes, the 'clattering' racket needs to be eleminated too.

 

[crazyeddie]

I was thinking more of the difficulty of holding and firing a hand blaster/phaser weapon, with only two fat fingers and a thumb. And yes, the 'clattering' racket needs to be eleminated too.

No way! The clattering of the adding machine was part of what made Robbie so endearing. He wouldn't be the same without it.

It would never fly today, of course. But that's the funny thing about science fiction: stories about the future are always and inescapably a product of the times they were created in. Adding machines were commonplace in the 1950's, when electronic computers were in their infancy, so it makes total sense that one might be incorporated into a 1950's concept of what robots would be like.

 

[Larryman]

I think the Metaluna saucer from 1955 "This Island Earth" should be refit with a combo: Enterprise (TOS) and Jupiter-2 (TOS) interior. That, would then be a light-speed class of civilian exploration and/or colonization ship... of which the Bellerophon was one of. The Metaluna saucer is large enough for a crew of 20 or 30, plus plenty of interior space for two planet exploration Chariot vehicles, science labs, work shops, etc.

 

[ZenGalacticore]

As far as the movie poster goes, they always do that! ie, make the girl look more risque than she actually is in the film. Dang Crazyeddie, is that an ORIGINAL cinema poster you possess? If it is, I look forward to seeing you on 'Antiques Road Show', cause I'd bet, at auction, you'd get at least 10 grand for it!

Btw, as far as the cinema poster goes, I don't think we even HAD panty-bikini-underwear that skimpy in 1956. She looks to be wearing a string bikini. Perhaps the artist was trying to portray a better and brighter future!!! It's like Robby is saying: "Here's your female. Don't you want to just peel off these silk panties?"

I wish it was an original....it would probably be worth a lot more than 10 grand. I DO own an original lobby card, one of the little ones at about 6" x 10", that was given to me as a gift.....don't know how much that's worth.

I once owned a rather amusing t-shirt that was a takeoff of the famous Forbidden Planet poster, showing Robbie the Robot carrying a swooning, very fetching, muscular young man in place of the Anne Francis figure....the unstated implication being that this particular planet was very "forbidden", indeed! :lol:

Here's a version of the poster that would have been more true to the movie:

Well Eddie, I did say 'at least' 10 grand! A 'swooning' young man? Now that's scary sci-fi Ed! Did you notice how the lower half of Robby looks like an African Michelin Man? :lol: Makes even more sense really, after all, tires are black, not white!!!

 

[jim48]

Y'all are... Y'all are... Y'all are... For once words escape me. :|