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kmarinas86

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http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q="false+advertising+is"<br />False advertising = lies, misreprensentation, or misleading<br /><br /><font color="yellow">But I do know about false advertising. And that is what this web site presents. It is false advertising to claim on your home page that the link you present is a potential UFO.</font><br />You are convinced that it isn't.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">That you just happened to be smoking a cigarette(??) looking out your window, when <b>by golly</b> a UFO flew by.</font><br /><br />http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/pop.php<br />Appeal to Popularity (argumentum ad populum) - A proposition is held to be true because it is widely held to be true or is held to be true by some (usually upper crust) sector of the population. This fallacy is sometimes also called the "Appeal to Emotion" because emotional appeals often sway the population as a whole.<br /><br />This appeal to emotion fallacy applies to both sides of UFO beliefs and disbeliefs. Both sides are fallible in the sense that they've both made logical fallacies in argument.
 
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5stone10

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You can just add that one to the laundry list of unexplained sitings I've already got !<br /><br />Think I'll start my own Project Blue Book !!
 
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nhufohunter

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Sorry I didn't get back sooner, <br />that video is normal speed, the object flew the other direction into a cloud. Soon after it came out traveling in the other direction, I was on the second story of a building outside of a window when I filmed it. It was also silent and yes, It did dissapear, IF you look carefully you can see it dissapear in the other direction, like is zipped off to the right or hyperleaped <br /><br />I'm not saying it again to you other little trolls<br />The camera's focus was set to infinity, the object is completely in focus and appeared exzactly the way I saw it. Anybody that think's that is a plane is either blind or just to scared to admit that they aren't anything in the big picture. Or maybe just plain STUPID <br /><br />Buy some fricking glasses <br /><br />Hollwood producers don't bang down your door continuosly for planes. <br /><br />IF it's a plane then how come at first there is three sections, and then a forth object swings out for the back wich makes four objects. <br /><br />K, Dont' waste your time with these losers, they are just here to do this, nothing else, they don't watch the videos, they don't know anything, and they are just trolls looking to steer people away from seeing REAL UFOs, they might even be the little fakers witht the fake videos I've called out <br /><br />At any rate, they aren't worth it. If you want to know anything just email me. And share this with those you deem fit<br /><br />Be sure to wach all the videos, I have taped many different type of craft, every one of the videos is amazing and it's only a fraction of the footage I've taken<br />I have referance points in every video I've taken when possible, The only time I cant is when it's a BOL or as I prefer a false star. They are usually to fast or to high.<br /><br />Check out the July second, you to sky,<br />I'd love to here what you think about that one<br />http://www.aliensthe
 
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nhufohunter

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Your not disscussing any thing. Your a little loser crybaby wanabe debunker that is proving that you are the idot. <br />Your lucky I even wasted the energy to type this you little troll living in mama's basement.
 
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dgm1

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<font color="yellow">Your not disscussing any thing.</font><br />Sure I am. I am discussing the weakness of your evidence and your reasons for interpretting it the way you do. The evidence is laughable. Even worse it is not even evidence. It is poorly filmed everyday objects. Keep looking up though. You may see something eventually.<br /> Your reasons are transparent. Text book behavior of the isolated loner looking for acceptance. Find some friends.<br /><br /> <font color="yellow">Your a little loser crybaby wanabe debunker that is proving that you are the idot</font><br /><br /> I am shamed now. Coming from you that is terribly upsetting insult. Considering you couldn't tell an out of focus airplane from an alien spacecraft I am not too concerned with your take on me. I like the way you string together a sentence though. Pure poetic genious.<br /><br /> <font color="yellow">Your lucky I even wasted the energy to type this</font><br /> We weren't so lucky that you wasted the energy typing your first post. You should have saved your energy for Art Bells website. THey would probably laugh too though so maybe you should go sit in the yard some more and think about it.<br /><br /> <font color="yellow"> little troll living in mama's basement</font><br /><br /> My mamas basement is bigger than most peoples houses but I don't live there. I own a very nice 2700 sq ft. home that i completely renovated myself. It is now the showpiece on our street. I am sure you can say the same for yours. I live in it with my wife and three kids and we entertain many of our friends in our basement where the bar is. Those are the things that make me feel special, I don't need to invent UFO stories to feel that way. Can you say the same? I am sure you will tell me about your mansion now and how many many friends support your stories and think you're a swell guy or whatever made up story you concocted to go with your loony ufo fantasies.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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nhufohunter

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The only bogus thing around here must be your eyes, or your lame attempt to discredit me. Keep posting stupid crap, let me guess the next one will be a sattelite.<br />While your at it go out and film a sattelite, or how about seven in two hours. I'll give all night, any thing you need, computer, Heavens Above, star chats, you name it. Use the equivilant of a sony handycam and film two. You got all night. Then go film a plane from the ground anywhere you want for ten full minutes, Your plane can even make noise, it dosen't have rotate or seperate and become two craft, or make dogs bark and wild animals go crazy.<br /><br />Do that and then maybe I'll think about even wasting my time humoring you again much less care about what you think.<br /><br />and now a word from our other sponser<br />http://www.jerrypippin.com/video/11-13-04%20False%20star%20closeup%20©2004%20Paul%20Spera.wmv
 
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dgm1

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ha! You think you have the high ground in a decision by the mods? You have been calling people idiots and wannabes and all sorts of names because they don't believe the tripe you post. You put yourself up for ridicule and even invited it by insulting anyone who does not agree with your bogus info. <br /> Go ahead and take it to them. I hope they tell you to grow some thicker skin or get better evidence for your whacky claims.<br /> We have seen people like you come and go over the years and you all say the same things. It gets to be funny after a while. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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dgm1

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Oh and you should probably know that the mods can go back and see all of the posts the way they were originally written so all of yor editing was a waste of time. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Did you realy think no one would be able to tell what you wrote if you edited it? That is the oldest trick in the book.<br /> You guys are so predictable and yet so unprepared. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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nhufohunter

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I don't have anything to hide. Unlike you bashing other posters and posting about anything but the topic<br /><br />Like I said <br />We'll see
 
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nhufohunter

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p> "You guys are so predictable and yet so unprepared" <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote> <br /><br />so you do this often<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p> Now we are getting somewhere. I knew if I just pissed you off enough the real story would emerge <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote> <br /><br />so in other words, you have been doing nothing but trying to piss me off, the real story is your imature, unthought out, unintelligent, meaningless, insignificant crap<br /><br />It is people like you who are predictible, those where the only two sentences you posted that where truthfull, and that I read. Keep making a fool of yourself and now I will bring out the evidence and prove how ignorant, rude and stupid you really are.<br /><br />Anyone watched the videos yet. <br /><br />
 
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dgm1

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You offered <b>your </b> site with remarkable claims about <b>your</b> info and evidence. <b>You</b> made yourself a legitmate topic of discussion. If you can't hack that then find somewhere else to preach your nonsense. You don't see anyone lese whinig around here do you? I didn't when you first insulted me. 5stone didn't either. Get over it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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nhufohunter

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the only person that has been insulted is me, and you'll be living proof of that soon
 
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dgm1

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<font color="yellow">so in other words, you have been doing nothing but trying to piss me off, the real story is your imature, unthought out, unintelligent, meaningless, insignificant crap </font><br /> <br /> Wrong. I was dissecting your stories and your motivation and pissing you off was just a fortunate side effect. You blurted out your whole silly belief. And you call my posts un-thought out, unintelligent meaningless crap. How odd that is coming from you.<br /> I may at times be rude but I am never ignorant or stupid. You, however, are welcome to hold that opinion. I have no problem with that. Adults are like that.<br /> <br />And yes I have watched the videos. That is why I chose to challenge you in the first place. I disagree with your interpretation of the evidence. And that in turn is why you began insulting me. I don't mind though. It does not hurt. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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nhufohunter

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there is no stories there, Just footage, and factuall information on the sightings, no stories, no beliefs<br />Footage wich you haven't watched, And facts which you ignorned and posted unfounded opinions based on your hate for anything concerning something you don't agree with. <br /><br />You are nothing but a troll and will be dealt with accordingly
 
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dgm1

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I watched your footage. Why would you say otherwise? Because I don't agree with what you determined from them? If I don't agree that they are proof of aliens visiting the earth with increasing frequency with the dual goals of educating us humans while 'thinning the herd" then I could not have watched them? How is that trolling? I not only doubt your info I also doubt your credibility. That is my right. Same as you have the right to doubt that I watched your videos. I watch them at home where I have DSL and i can load quicker. But I did watch them. <br /> There is no proof of anything there and that is why you have such difficulty with being challenged. You can't defend your info. You haven't yet and won't in the future. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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arit

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nhufohunter,<br /><br />I have been following your exchange of "pearls" with dgm1. I wasn't fast enough to read the originals, but I would like to tell you that it is considered highly un-ethical to edit your posts (except for spelling) after someone responds to them. Big no no. It makes the responses become out of context. Not polite.<br /><br />Now while I may disagree with dgm's "directness" at times, in this case he is absolutely correct (in my opinion). All we see from you are insults and offenses, while he answers to the subject.<br /><br />Your "ufos" are all out of focus. They look like planes out of focus. And I am very open minded. Give me something to work with and I'll be willing believe or be convinced. But considering the fact that you put SO much effort into your web site, I find it amaterurish, very un-professional. Instead of all the fuzzy videos, post ONE clear picture. ONE. If your goal in life is (and it clearly is) to demonstrate that you are seeing aliens, I suggest you to do the following:<br /><br />1. Save some money. Get rid of the crappy video camera. Buy a professional style stills (not digital, for proof) camera. Equip with good lense.<br /><br />2. Get a tripod/monopod.<br /><br />3. Take a photography course. Maybe one "National Geographic" style, where they teach how to shoot from far.<br /><br />4. Take some CLEAR pictures. Where we can see that it's not a plane.<br /><br />5. Try this forum again.<br /><br />You will get much respect from us, including DGM, then.<br /><br />And stop the name calling. It's childish. <br /><br /><br />How old are you, anyways?<br /><br /><br />Regards<br /><br />arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>
 
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nhufohunter

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Once again you proved yourself to have been nothing but an insignifiant nusance.<br /><br />You have said NOTHING of any inteligence or relevance about any of these very serious topics and have ranted and raved like a spoiled roten three year old shoving your unwanted and uneeded space taking tatrum<br /><br />You could have easily made your opinion be felt with just that one single post but instead you have bashed not only me and everything I've done but everbody else and all of there opinions be it truth, falicy or indecision<br /><br />You are the worst kind of skeptic, the one that shoves his crap down everbodys throat endlessly because he looks like a fool in the crowd, and the sickening thing about you is you think people are believing and buying in to your BOGUS lies <br /><br />If anybody here is delusional it's you if you think youv'e been nothing but a pimple on this places ass and anybody values your opinion after this little display<br /><br />Join your buddy and come back when you get the footage I challenged you with. That is if they let you post
 
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nhufohunter

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I haven't edited anything other than that or maybe added something I forgot. I don't need a mommy by the way.<br /> If this is coming from this loser, than consider the source. I'll post what I think of him again<br /><br />I'd like to hear what part of this particular PLANE as you call it is out of focus looks like anything on a plane<br /><br />this footage has been edited for time, the object flew from the the north east all the way to the west in a semi cicle around me, sat behind the top of a tree for a minute and then went behind the next tree and dissapeared<br />Explain that<br />http://www.aliensthetruth.com/movies/paul_spera_072904.zip<br />
 
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nhufohunter

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I'll tell you What<br />When I have 50k I'll run right out to the camera store just for you and buy a camera that not only sets focus to infinity, like making it impossible for anything to go our of focus, read a book about cameras. I'll even find one that stops motion blur, that is if isn't impossible, and then make it highspeed.<br />If anyone was serious about this phenomenon as ABC said of NUFORC the black hole of UFO reports then I would already have this equipment. Any serious study would have imediatly looked at this evidence and provided equipment and hopefullt this might even happen. There are people trying to make it work as I type this. <br />You people underestimate not only the seriousness of this but the support I have from well know people. If you really bother to watch the videos, time signatures, and read all the information you would know that this is real and I have people from the Disclosure Project, Many pilots, many supporting me<br /><br />If you want to voice your opinions that watch a video, be specific, share which video and why, <br /><br />Saying you wathced the videos and they are blurry is not only wrong, it's meaningless. There is no point classifying every video as the same where as ALL THE VIDEOS ARE DIFFERENT. and there is almost 20 videos and more coming.<br /><br />I ADDED THIS BY THE WAY<br />If you read the posts you'd already know that I now have a monopod, but thanks for your concern <br /><br />HERE'S ANOTHER THING I ADDED<br />This jerkoff can call me a NUTCASE and what ever else he want's including idiot and not only me but other people minutes after posting my link when I havn't said a thing or called him anything, Unless it was truthfull observation. What comes around goes around, you don't me to go off on him that you tell him to get lost, he started the name calling and everything else, and you come here and back him, He's lucky he's behind a computer and you know it, <br />Mind your own frickin buisness<br />Like I said you obviousl
 
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arit

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" He's lucky he's behind a computer and you know it"<br /><br />Why? What do you mean by that?<br /><br /><br />"Mind your own frickin buisness "<br /><br />It's business.<br /><br /><br /><br />" ... you ...just another liar"<br /><br />Thank you for that.<br /><br /><br />Regards<br /><br />arit<br /><br />// Edited by arit to remove unnecessary remark.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>
 
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<font color="yellow">Once again you proved yourself to have been nothing but an insignifiant nusance. </font><br /><br /> You might want to look up the word "insignificant" in the dictionary. You have spent more time complaining about my challenges than you have defending your theories and fuzzy film so I hardly think you really find my nuisance to be "insignificant".<br /><br /> <font color="yellow">You have said NOTHING of any inteligence or relevance about any of these very serious topics</font><br /><br /> Translation = "You do not believe me and do not accept my evidence so you are unintelligent. Your challenges or irrelevant because they do not agree with my made up theories." <br /><br /> <font color="yellow">You could have easily made your opinion be felt with just that one single post but instead you have bashed not only me and everything I've done but everbody else and all of there opinions be it truth, falicy or indecision</font><br /> <br /> Well considering how you react to disagreement i don't think that is the case. What you really mean is I could have quit participating if I did not agree with you. You do not have any room for skeptics. You even say so on your website. Nice open mind you have there. If you are going to make such extraordinary claims than you had better learn to handle criticism in a more mature way.<br /><br /> <font color="yellow">You are the worst kind of skeptic, </font><br /><br /> You mean the kind that doesn't blindly accept your dubious evidence and worse than that rejects the fantastic story you have made up based on your blurry footage. That kind, of skeptic, I am sure makes you angry.<br /><br /> <font color="yellow">sickening thing about you is you think people are believing and buying in to your BOGUS lies </font><br /><br /> I think you are really sickened by the fact that people are <b>not</b> believing buying into <b>your</b> bogus lies.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">If anybody here</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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kmarinas86

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<font color="yellow">1. Save some money. Get rid of the crappy video camera. Buy a professional style stills (not digital, for proof) camera. Equip with good lense.</font><br /><br />This is a <b>very</b> bad idea. Pictures are more easy to fake, even the film ones - especially since they would have to be presented to you on the internet in any case.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">2. Get a tripod/monopod.</font><br /><br />Good idea - but he already has a monopod. Tripods restrict movement (you cannot use a tripod to take a video of a Nascar).<br /><br /><font color="yellow">3. Take a photography course. Maybe one "National Geographic" style, where they teach how to shoot from far.</font><br /><br />Even if he did that, you would still need better evidence. Pictures give you absolutely no idea of how the light's colors are changing. Obviously, it is most of your interest to ignore the colors anyway.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">4. Take some CLEAR pictures. Where we can see that it's not a plane.</font><br /><br />They're only one frame each, and still cameras usually don't give you 20x optical zoom, although such a still feature is available on the Canon XM2 3CCD camcorder with Memory Card.<br /><br />http://www.aaands.com/listingdetail.htm?lotnum=1709047<br />"Canon L-series 20x zoom lens equivalent to 39.5-790mm in 35mm format, ideal for many types of film making"<br />"High resolution 1.68 Megapixel still images (1488 x 1128 pixels) on removeable SD / MMC memory card"<br /><br /><font color="yellow">5. Try this forum again.</font><br /><br />Yes, he needs to be more modest.
 
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