Invasion at the speed of light - emergency?

[billslugg]

I once saw a perfect UFO on my way to work. It was early AM, sun off to one side and low in the sky. I came around a bend in a big highway and off in the far distance, had to be miles away, was a shiny, silver, oblong, craft in the sky just barely above the horizon. I was, for about ten seconds, absolutely certain of what I was seeing. Then it dawned on me it was the Goodyear blimp. It was making an early AM trip to an assignment somewhere. Had me going for a few seconds though!

 

[Rangerer]

"Just nonsense. Or is it? The US Navy says it is real. The US government also. " - Gibsense

Yes, the US Navy and the US Government say they have impeccable witnesses who saw things they did not understand. This is correct. It comes nowhere close to proving the visitation of ET. The only thing can ever do that is a physical sample. None has ever been vetted.

Artificial intelligence is nothing more than a very advanced search engine. No AI model in existence can separate factual input from bogus input. No AI program understands logic. An AI program is only as good as what is fed into it. Anything trained on the internet will produce some good information and some garbage. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell which is which.

Only some people require physical proof for aliens to be accepted as real; others are persuaded by the voluminous reports and records.
Briefly; they're real, they've been visiting Earth for at least 250 millenniums, and they're here now, in fact, there's also good evidence of alien constructions, including an eyewitness who later died suspiciously when he divulged his experiences.
The U.S. Navy videoed crafts that would make right angle turns at supersonic speed, that would descend 30,000' in a second, and that could enter and leave the water at speed, etc., all with no visible means of propulsion, no maneuvering surfaces, and no heat signatures from exhaust.
Some may need a face slap - show me the alien! Others see the facts as presented, and their implications. Being only swayed by the acquisition of an alien entity or vessel, it's going to be a very long time before they find that proof. Why? Because aliens are super better than Homo sapiens. I've no doubt that, given their observable actions, they are conceivably millions of years ahead of our technology. Far enough ahead to be unconcerned about us - with one caveat - they have demonstrated their interest, concern, and actual intervention in our nuclear weapons. In one instance, they both shut down multiple silo sites at the same time, only later to release them later, in a manner that was beyond the current technology (they passed over the hours long reboot and restored them to fully operational at the same time.) In another instance, they turned all the missiles on at a site and started the launch procedures; they then stopped it within seconds of the launch. There are many such records of their concerns.

AI is a new tool that we haven't mastered yet; its effects will be effect everyone, like smartphones have.
AI also spell-corrected this post.

 

[billslugg]

A million times nothing is nothing. No amount of eyewitness testimony can prove ET visitation scientifically. That requires repeatability. By disinterested third parties. On demand. Time after time. Give me a matchbook cover from an ET vehicle and scientists all over the world will get samples from it, do isotopic analyses and demonstrate many times over its extraterrestrial origin and that will be irrefutable. If visitation is really common where are the bits of evidence?

 

[COLGeek]

Only some people require physical proof for aliens to be accepted as real; others are persuaded by the voluminous reports and records.
Briefly; they're real, they've been visiting Earth for at least 250 millenniums, and they're here now, in fact, there's also good evidence of alien constructions, including an eyewitness who later died suspiciously when he divulged his experiences.
The U.S. Navy videoed crafts that would make right angle turns at supersonic speed, that would descend 30,000' in a second, and that could enter and leave the water at speed, etc., all with no visible means of propulsion, no maneuvering surfaces, and no heat signatures from exhaust.
Some may need a face slap - show me the alien! Others see the facts as presented, and their implications. Being only swayed by the acquisition of an alien entity or vessel, it's going to be a very long time before they find that proof. Why? Because aliens are super better than Homo sapiens. I've no doubt that, given their observable actions, they are conceivably millions of years ahead of our technology. Far enough ahead to be unconcerned about us - with one caveat - they have demonstrated their interest, concern, and actual intervention in our nuclear weapons. In one instance, they both shut down multiple silo sites at the same time, only later to release them later, in a manner that was beyond the current technology (they passed over the hours long reboot and restored them to fully operational at the same time.) In another instance, they turned all the missiles on at a site and started the launch procedures; they then stopped it within seconds of the launch. There are many such records of their concerns.

AI is a new tool that we haven't mastered yet; its effects will be effect everyone, like smartphones have.
AI also spell-corrected this post.

Sure a lot of myth and urban legend here. Light on facts. Lots of unproven assumptions.

Sorry, but seeing "something" does not make it alien.

 

[Classical Motion]

If Aliens were here for any length of time, we would have detected them with our environmental DNA research. And we might have with thousands of un-identified DNA collected. I suggest alien hunters look there for their evidence.

If you find a squirrely DNA you will get attention. A unique and unrelated DNA will prove it.

If we find an alien object, the first thing will be DNA analyses.

 

[Gibsense]

A million times nothing is nothing. No amount of eyewitness testimony can prove ET visitation scientifically. That requires repeatability. By disinterested third parties. On demand. Time after time. Give me a matchbook cover from an ET vehicle and scientists all over the world will get samples from it, do isotopic analyses and demonstrate many times over its extraterrestrial origin and that will be irrefutable. If visitation is really common where are the bits of evidence?

That's the problem. "Nothing is Nothing" is a Straw Man. There is something. The question is "What is it?"
Perhaps a holographic projection. Perhaps mass hysteria (pilots included?). Perhaps a 'hidden' Indigenous race spawned but 'escaped from' planet Earth way before some mass extinctions, perhaps Aliens that arrived from the ancient planet that passed our solar system way back, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps....
Denial of a phenomenon is a useful psychological defence mechanism. Some would say like putting one's head in one's sand
I realise that posts were specifically regarding Aliens for which there is zero evidence.
Nevertheless, some questions need answers IMO and Alien life is one unconfirmed answer that could harm our own 'self-worth'. Any misdirection by Governments could prove damaging.

The more we understand about the universe the weirder it seems to get. A problem in business is the issue of operating in Silos. Specialisations not talking to each other. It is, I think important that all areas of Human endeavour soften the boundaries of their discipline as solutions may be hybrid.

 

[billslugg]

Yes, there may very well be "something" to what you see, but in order to prove that your "something" is a visitation from ET, it must pass the scientific test. It must be repeatable, on demand, by disinterested scientists. Until "something" can pass that test it is "nothing".

 

[COLGeek]

The government misdirection myth is almost comical. There is none, in spite of what some would believe.

Seems we keep going in the "prove a negative" circle, so there must be some conspiracy to "hide" the "truth".

There is NO way something like "knowledge of alien presence" could be kept out of the public eye, from ANY government on our Big Blue Marble. Zero chance of this.

 

[Gibsense]

Yes, there may very well be "something" to what you see, but in order to prove that your "something" is a visitation from ET, it must pass the scientific test. It must be repeatable, on demand, by disinterested scientists. Until "something" can pass that test it is "nothing".

The test has been met repeatedly. Observation, over and over. That is undeniably something. Since when is a supernova, not a supernova because it cannot be repeated "on demand"?
Using the abbreviation "ET" conjuring images of the film "ET" as a way of mockery is unfair , especially as "something" is not designated necessarily as 'alien' .
A requirement for people to be 'not interested' in their investigation is odd methinks.
The phenomenon needs attention
NB I never suggested that "something" had to be aliens. Another straw man.

Having said all that, in the extreme case of asserting the signs are "visitor Aliens" we should require extreme evidence. So, in that respect I agree with you but that does not mean the option is written out.

 

[billslugg]

A supernova lasts long enough for anyone who wants to have a look at it. Right now, with modern telescopes they are sending out alerts within seconds.

A piece of an alien spacecraft can be broken up and sent to many laboratories where disinterested third parties can then repeatably subject it to isotopic analysis.

There may be other ways. Perhaps you will find one.

 

[Greenlight]

i have seen 3 UFO's in my life.

The first was in New Mexico in 1996. I was driving alone early in the morning and came over a hill. Out in the middle of a flooded field sat a 15' metallic perl egg. When i got about 250 yards from it, it shot straight up into the air about 500 feet, then did a 90 degree turn and vanished behind me.

The Second was on the 4th of July in Denver about 8 years ago during the daytime. I noticed a little white cloud that was not moving the same direction as all the other clouds. I pointed it out to the entire family and we all walked down the street and watched fly around for a bit then it flew away.

The Third one i was about 8 years ago i was riding passenger with a car full of people in Denver. Up in the sky i saw what looked to be a meteor burning up. I pointed it out to the everyone in car and we all watched it change directions, the fire go out, and it left a black trail of smoke as it flew away toward Boulder.

 

[Gibsense]

A piece of an alien spacecraft can be broken up and sent to many laboratories where disinterested third parties can then repeatably subject it to isotopic analysis.

My dispute with your posts regarding this issue is not about aliens or alien craft.
It is about the reasonable position that there is something unexplained. Pilots see apparent objects that cannot be explained. They might not even be physical.

Insisting that if they are alien craft let's have a piece is quite reasonable. It's as if you have decided that the observations are craft but you want a piece before acceptance.

I am inclined to think the observations are not physical. However, they are there for hundreds of well-authenticated observations. Something is going on and it could be important.

 

[billslugg]

Yes, there are many unexplained things out there. They could very well be intelligent beings from another solar system. Further research is surely warranted. Proving it is easy. Just provide a few micrograms of the being or the craft. But please don't ask me to take anyone's word for something where a Nobel Prize is at stake. I want to see some proof before I get on board.

 

[Gibsense]

Yes, there are many unexplained things out there. They could very well be intelligent beings from another solar system. Further research is surely warranted. Proving it is easy. Just provide a few micrograms of the being or the craft. But please don't ask me to take anyone's word for something where a Nobel Prize is at stake. I want to see some proof before I get on board.

Or maybe the US government wants to distract from the reality of Climate Change by the use of Drones, Holographic Image Projection and a bit of evidence from clever genetic manipulation. Oops, not a microgram of an alien being - just misdirection.
For some, no evidence would be sufficient when it affects their philosophy

This psychology affects even the greatest - especially scientists - clinging to their comfortable ideas. Einstein is a good example: "God doesn't play dice" or whatever the quote is.

 

[COLGeek]

Or maybe the US government wants to distract from the reality of Climate Change by the use of Drones, Holographic Image Projection and a bit of evidence from clever genetic manipulation. Oops, not a microgram of an alien being - just misdirection.
For some, no evidence would be sufficient when it affects their philosophy

This psychology affects even the greatest - especially scientists - clinging to their comfortable ideas. Einstein is a good example: "God doesn't play dice" or whatever the quote is.

Now you are being slightly silly and reading a bit too much sci-fi.

 

[Gibsense]

Now you are being slightly silly and reading a bit too much sci-fi.

Sounds like me