Joining the Dots: Speculation of Continuous Creation

[Gibsense]

Introduction

We think of space as empty, but it's not. Space is a dynamic medium filled with quantum fluctuations and virtual particles of various kinds, forming what is known as Quantum Foam. The density of this foam varies and increases near massive objects. The number of virtual particles per volume rises in areas with gravitational wells.
This constant appearance and disappearance of particles contribute to the universe having an average mass-energy greater than zero. This whole process adds up to what's known as Zero Point Energy, meaning the universe has a baseline energy level that's not zero, even as a vacuum.
Bear in mind that these Virtual Particles have the potential to become real particles of many types. For example, Hawking Radiation creates a real particle in our universe as part of the process

Kerr Black Holes

Feeding and Spinning black holes, (Kerrs) in our universe accrete mass, and continue to grow in size and gravitational influence. The intense conditions within the black hole, including the extreme spin and frame dragging, could reach a point where a critical transformation occurs. Material falling past the event horizon has the angular momentum preserved. Spinning material falls toward the centre of the black hole forming a spinning Torus with increasing spin as the volume of space reduces.

The Spinning Torus

An analogy; a Tornado reaches a point where it slings materials outward. In a similar way the frame dragging spin could reach a level where frame dragging is so extreme that the Torus becomes nearly detached from the Black Hole space with only one possible exit: A Big Bang

Emergent Universe

A new big bang means a new universe (perhaps ours was birthed this way). So, in this newly formed universe, the influx of matter and energy from the black hole could drive the expansion of space. This could occur in a manner consistent with the dynamics of the universe we observe—where the continuous influx of energy leads to an expanding spacetime, potentially forming a hypersphere or other complex geometries. From this point, all is well documented but....

Continuous creation

We should not assume that this is a once-off process. It seems likely that a feeding black hole will continue to supply the Spinning Torus with more material - like a Tornado travelling across the countryside. The Torus might, somehow, engage both the material and the new universe in a constant flow of space and mass. The potential processes are complex enough with many forces in conflict that I can find room to hide behind them at this point

Cosmic Time:

The expansion of space within this new universe could be related to the concept of time. As space expands, the progression of events (or what we perceive as time) unfolds. In this way, the process of a black hole feeding could contribute to the ongoing evolution of the new universe. Rather than contemplating time as a force for expansion, we might be justified in this scenario of reversing the logic and considering the expansion of hyperspherical space as creating the time process.

Maybe

 

[promytius]

The tornado analogy is flawed, as they are almost opposites of each other.
A tornado is short-lived; a BH is virtually forever.
A tornado throws things outward; a BH draws everything inward.
A tornado has no gravitational influence; a BH defines gravitational influence.
A tornado is a result of temporary weather patterns; a BH is the result of permanently accumulated gravity.
etc.

 

[Classical Motion]

The only reason objects move in space is because space does not move. If space moved, nothing else would.

 

[Atlan0001]

The only reason objects move in space is because space does not move. If space moved, nothing else would.

I hate to tell you this, but if space does appear to not move it is in fact because it is always moving in reverse movement (equal but opposite reaction to action).

 

[Classical Motion]

If space moved, velocity and acceleration and their proportions, would not be the way they are.

Math is valid because space does not move. When space moves, math is nill.

 

[Gibsense]

The tornado analogy is flawed, as they are almost opposites of each other.
A tornado is short-lived; a BH is virtually forever.
A tornado throws things outward; a BH draws everything inward.
A tornado has no gravitational influence; a BH defines gravitational influence.
A tornado is a result of temporary weather patterns; a BH is the result of permanently accumulated gravity.
etc.

All analogies break at some point but the differences you point out are trivial except for one which I see does not work for you even though it collects material throws it upward within the spin and then throws it out. That's ok

You missed some off:

A tornado's medium is air whereas a black hole's is space.
A tornado acts from a cloud down to the ground falling with terrestrial gravity whereas material spinning within a black hole falls toward the star's gravity (NB the star exists within the space of a BH at the centre of the sphere made by the event horizon)
The Tornado's form is held by air pressure whereas material in a BH is restricted by gravity well shape
A tornado's extremity is wind shear whereas a BH material Torus is frame dragging
A tornado is formed by the weather environment but a spinning Torus is dependent on it BH Host size , galaxy and food

Yeah, you are right there are so many differences including that you never see in a black hole: Fancy Boots or cows but you do sometimes in a Tornado.
Lol, please excuse the sarcasm my sense of humour is a bit odd people tell me

 

[Gibsense]

The only reason objects move in space is because space does not move. If space moved, nothing else would.

I assume you refer to frame dragging; am I right? Also, you assert that if space moved nothing else would, please advise your evidence of this - if there is any. I would be very interested.

 

[Classical Motion]

I think that space is emptiness. Time and dimension come from matter. I think this cosmos is one time frame. With a constant length reference, the length of e.

Full of relative velocity frames. Purely mechanical.

Earth is a singular tumor. The only singularity in this cosmos.

 

[Atlan0001]

If there is accelerative expansions in and to a Newtonian universe, there is Newtonian equal but opposite accelerative contractions. Space moves because it isn't emptiness alone (an infinite density at once being an infinite hole). More, it is my thought bubble universes collide and move through each other constantly having, automatically manipulating, "fabric" results in recognizable microcosmic and macrocosmic aethereal fine structure physics galore. Warps. Blackholes. Wormholes. Heat. Time and time reversal. Spatial and spatial-time phenomena galore.

 

[Gibsense]

I think that space is emptiness. Time and dimension come from matter. I think this cosmos is one time frame. With a constant length reference, the length of e.

Full of relative velocity frames. Purely mechanical.

Earth is a singular tumor. The only singularity in this cosmos.

As an engineer, your knack for working with an imaginative, hands-on approach, is impressive. It's remarkable how you can figure out the best way to tackle challenges when dealing with machines and gauges.

I'm surprised that detecting virtual particles through the Casimir Effect doesn't appeal. It aligns well with an engineer's practical mindset by illustrating that space is filled with energy and virtual matter, rather than being empty.

 

[Classical Motion]

I don’t believe the Casimir effect is needed to demonstrate virtual particles. That’s a separate dynamic.

All that’s needed to measure virtual particles is a radio receiver or a fast acting thermometer.

Virtual particles are an illusion. And a misunderstanding of propagated field superposition.

STATIC. Static is a superposition. A NON interacting superposition. One can convert this NON interacting dynamic into an acting dynamic ONLY with matter. In other words the static and the temp, is not there, unless you measure it. ONLY the matter used to measure it, allows it to form.

If matter is not there, no interaction.

Charge(matter) field interaction is much, much different than propagated wave interaction.

Two completely different types of superposition. Two physics.

Virtual particles are a measurement illusion. And there are other types of false measurements.

Like redshift. Or any light dynamic. Maxwell and Einstein were and are wrong about light.

Light has two parts, one is real and one is imaginary. ONLY the imaginary part of the emission changes with motion.

It’s a constant quantum dynamic. Discreet and intermittent. The discrete part, the real part is constant.

Only the imaginary part, changes with motion.

Giving light a logarithmic shift. With distance. Alone, separate from the inverse square law.

I can explain the mechanics, need a mathematician to describe this mathematically.

This will be a totally new math equation.

This formula will describe the change in a duty cycle, with respect to velocity, frequency, AND distance. A second distance law added to the inverse square. And different ratios of shift.

 

[Gibsense]

I don’t believe the Casimir effect is needed to demonstrate virtual particles. That’s a separate dynamic.

Please explain the Casimir effect. How does it happen/work if not by the elimination of longer wavelengths?
NB most of your engineering style responses I cannot understand. My education is insufficient in that respect so pls keep it simple

 

[Jim Franklin]

Please explain the Casimir effect. How does it happen/work if not by the elimination of longer wavelengths?
NB most of your engineering style responses I cannot understand. My education is insufficient in that respect so pls keep it simple

The Casimir effect is a physical force that occurs between two uncharged, perfectly conducting plates that are held close together in a vacuum.

The fact that an attractive force exists between two conducting metal plates was first predicted in 1948 by Hendrik Casimir of Philips Research Laboratories in the Netherlands. At the time, however, Casimir was studying the properties of “colloidal solutions”. These are viscous materials, such as paint and mayonnaise, that contain micron-sized particles in a liquid matrix. The properties of such solutions are determined by van der Waals forces – long-range, attractive forces that exist between neutral atoms and molecules.

One of Casimir’s colleagues, Theo Overbeek, realised that the theory that was used at the time to explain van der Waals forces, which had been developed by Fritz London in 1932, did not properly explain the experimental measurements on colloids. Overbeek therefore asked Casimir to investigate the problem. Working with Dirk Polder, Casimir discovered that the interaction between two neutral molecules could be correctly described only if the fact that light travels at a finite speed was taken into account.

Soon afterwards, Casimir noticed that this result could be interpreted in terms of vacuum fluctuations. He then asked himself what would happen if there were two mirrors – rather than two molecules – facing each other in a vacuum. It was this work that led to his famous prediction of an attractive force between reflecting plates.
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Although the Casimir force seems completely counterintuitive, it is actually well understood. In the old days of classical mechanics the idea of a vacuum was simple. The vacuum was what remained if you emptied a container of all its particles and lowered the temperature down to absolute zero. The arrival of quantum mechanics, however, completely changed our notion of a vacuum. All fields – in particular electromagnetic fields – have fluctuations. In other words at any given moment their actual value varies around a constant, mean value. Even a perfect vacuum at absolute zero has fluctuating fields known as “vacuum fluctuations”, the mean energy of which corresponds to half the energy of a photon.

However, vacuum fluctuations are not some abstraction of a physicist’s mind. They have observable consequences that can be directly visualised in experiments on a microscopic scale. For example, an atom in an excited state will not remain there infinitely long, but will return to its ground state by spontaneously emitting a photon. This phenomenon is a consequence of vacuum fluctuations. Imagine trying to hold a pencil upright on the end of your finger. It will stay there if your hand is perfectly stable and nothing perturbs the equilibrium, but the slightest perturbation will make the pencil fall into a more stable equilibrium position. Similarly, vacuum fluctuations cause an excited atom to fall into its ground state.

I cannot think of an easier way to explain this.

 

[Gibsense]

I cannot think of an easier way to explain this.

That's more than we could expect.

I was asking Classic Motion to explain the Casimir effect in the expectation that he could not do so and therefore his argument was defeated (He made this statement: "Virtual particles are an illusion. And a misunderstanding of propagated field superposition.")
Your comprehensive response should have done the job! Frankly, I cannot understand his logic be it right or wrong but that's neither here nor there now unless you understand what he says.

 

[Classical Motion]

The two plates make a capacitor. Our caps usually use one power phase or reference. These plates shield each other, directionally from the static. And so, have two different current/charge patterns. Different phases.

It’s an out of phase capacitor.

I have recently read where they now have a material that can truly block EM. If this is true we should be able to demonstrate empty space in a vacuum container.

Re-hang the plates in this type of container.