Latest 28 Shuttle Launch Manifest kicks up some surprises

shuttle_rtf · May 30, 2005

Two e-mails from sources. First one from Russia: />Conformity between the shuttles and flights on 21 April 2005… Discovery – 9 flights – STS-114, -116, -118, -122, -125, -127, -129, -131, -134 Atlantis – 10 flights – STS-121, -115, -117, -120, -124, -132, -135, -137, -139, -141 Endeavour – 9 flights – STS-119, -123, -126, -128, -130, -133, -136, -138, -140 From Russian cosmonaut Fyodor Yurchikhin who recently was in USA - I heard that one more flight to the Hubble Space Telescope is now planned on 2007 (with John Grunsfeld as a crewmember< Second one from a NASA person: SPACE SHUTTLE MANIFEST (May 2005) STS Date Time Orbiter Payload -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 114 23 Jul 05 - Dis-31 ISS-17-LF1, MPLM 2(P)-03 (ISPRs), ESP-2 w/ORUs incl. MBSU, LMC (CMG, DTO-848 RCC and tile repair test), SPDU 121 9 Sep 05 - Atl-27 ISS-18-ULF1.1, MPLM 1(P), ICC w/ORUs, LMC (DTO), MEPSI, SPDU, ROEU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 115 16 Feb 06 - Atl-28 ISS-19-12A, ITS P3/P4 (PV Module, 6 battery sets, 2 ULCAS), RAMBO-P, MEPSI 116 23 Apr 06 - Dis-32 ISS-20-12A.1, SPACEHAB-SM (4 RSRs, 4 RSPs, ISPR), ITS P5 (PVRGF OSE), ICC (Pump Module, DDCU CP, FGB (2), PFCS Rtn) 117 13 Jul 06 - End-20 ISS-21-13A, ITS S3/S4 (PV Module, 6 battery sets, 4 PAS), PVR, PFCS Rtn, 3CS 118 7 Nov 06 - Dis-33 ISS-22-13A.1, SPACEHAB-SM, ITS S5 (PVRGF OSE), ICC (EAS Rtn, PCU, 3 WVS Stanchions), 119 14 Dec 06 - End-21 ISS-23-15A, ITS S6 (PV Module, 6 battery sets), PFCS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S = Eastern Standard Time (-5:00 GMT), D = Eastern Daylight Time (-4:00 GMT) 3CS Three Corner Satellite APM Attached Pressurized Module CMG Control Momemnt Gyro CP Communicat

shuttle_rtf · May 30, 2005

So Endeavour retires with seven launches to go. Discovery's STS-114 seems to have a date of July 23 (and I was told there are all 'no sooner than' dates) attached to it. STS-115 and STS-116 seem pretty close to each other - possible requirement of STS-302? Would a HSM be on top of this manifest, or can they replace a ISS mission? Obviously pending if they really go with this much ISS construction.

SpaceKiwi · May 30, 2005

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />So Endeavour retires with seven launches to go.<hr /></blockquote> A little surprising that Endeavour would be pulled first, given she is the youngest Orbiter by some way. I guess it is related to the major maintenence pit-stops though. Endeavour is already in for her last change of rubber, whereas Discovery and Atlantis still have to come in one more time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Who is this superhero? Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bring Back The Black! </div>

vogon13 · May 30, 2005

Is there any doubt that: A. What ever replaces the shuttle will be massively behind schedule on the date of the last shuttle launch ? B. What ever replaces the shuttle will be grotesquely overbudget on the date of the last shuttle launch ? C. What ever replaces the the shuttle will be less capable by virtually any performance parameter you can think of ? D. What ever currently is expected to replace the shuttle will in no way resemble what does in fact replace the shuttle ? WTF happened to my good mood today ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

franson_space · May 30, 2005

But the CEV looks a bit like a Space Shuttle. Are you saying that design we saw a month ago or so won't be what they actually build? Why waste money designing that one if so? I don't understand.

vogon13 · May 30, 2005

Most bipolar folks cycle between euphoria and depression. I seem to bounce between hard edged realism and intense cynicism. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

franson_space · May 30, 2005

You sound way too much like my ex-boyfriend <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

vogon13 · May 30, 2005

I remember living through Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle and ISS development. The trend is not good. And since those in charge have no institutional memory, and no incentive to develop one, we, as a nation, are condemned to repeat every grotesque, horrific, and needlessly expensive mistake ever made in the aero-space universe on the shuttle replacement. Just extrapolating from the ISS, we can predict the shuttle replacement will not be capable of anything and the cost will be infinite. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

wvbraun · May 30, 2005

"But the CEV looks a bit like a Space Shuttle." No design has been selected yet. The proposals we saw a month ago are outdated since Griffin will make some significant changes. A Contract will be awarded in early 2006.

wvbraun · May 30, 2005

With Grffin in charge I'm fairly confident that they will have the CEV ready around 2010 and that the cost estimates will be accurate. And of course you can't compare the Shuttle to the CEV.

vogon13 · May 30, 2005

......and so the nightmare continues......... (cripes I'm in a snit tonight) <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

SpaceKiwi · May 30, 2005

Yeah, you are vog ..... give yerself a good uppercut. <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Who is this superhero? Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bring Back The Black! </div>

shuttle_rtf · May 31, 2005

Griffin's last quote on the CEV was two days ago in the Florida Today paper: On the gap between the Shuttle retirement and the CEV: “If it takes more than five years, then it does,” Griffin said. “It will take what it takes.” Doesn't 'actually' say anything but is noticably more lukewarm than of late.

radarredux · May 31, 2005

> Griffin's last quote on the CEV was two days ago in the Florida Today paper: /i> Seems like NASA has adopted a "can't do" attitude over the years. From the transcripts provided by NASA for the Town Hall Meeting at KSC : http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/speeches/index.html Audience Question: /b> My father and others work at Johnson Space Center and say you can’t build a new vehicle in under five years. If so, how will we, as a nation, be able to support manned space flight missions with no active manned launch system. And why don't we continue to replace and utilize a proven launch system, the STS? Griffin's Answer: /b> If it takes more than five years, then it does. It will take what it takes. I would point out to you that when people didn't know how to do it, the Apollo command and service module system was designed and flown in less than six years. And when people didn't know how to do it, the lunar module followed along slightly behind, but at a similar pace. I personally have worked several Skunkworks-type programs, you know, small "s," small "w," and I know from personal experience that a lot can be done by a dedicated team that wants to accomplish it. I think one of my roles here is to push back on the idea that it takes an infinite amount of time to get anything done. ...

acid_frost · Jun 1, 2005

You know if it is going to take some 5 years to replace the shuttle we might want to look to outsource such work because it doesn’t seem like those companies are willing to make that dead line before the retirement of the shuttle. It is unacceptable to have a 5-year gap on the retirement of the shuttle. Why should we have such a large gap, when we have put a man on the moon? We know how to do it and those companies that say that can’t do it, id say you want the contract you will do it before or shortly before. A simple CEV vehicle isn’t going to take 5 years, and if I say outsource it to another country and iam sure those other company outside of the US would do it in a record time. Iam sorry to be negative but come on, its unacceptable! I work for a defense contractor which iam sure makes parts for the shuttle but its unbelievable that these companies and their no go attitude is. Acidrain

JonClarke · Jun 1, 2005

I am a bit surprised to see the FGB-2 listed on the manifest for STS-116. I though have thought this would have gone up on a Proton. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

najab · Jun 1, 2005

I think that's an example of conflicting acronyms - there's no way Shuttle can deliver FGB-2 and a SpaceHab module on the same flight.

shuttle_rtf · Jun 1, 2005

There's more info from our Russian friend today: Edit and clarify: These two documents are not new info (these are older than the previously posted info) - However, they are super cool in showing the payloads (some serious hardware going uphill). http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment.asp?action=view&attachmentid=16 (Only way I can get it to display clearly - opens up in your picture viewer and you can focus in on areas). http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment.asp?action=view&attachmentid=17

JonClarke · Jun 2, 2005

Adrian, I would agree, but the list of acronyms in the posted manifest specifically spells FGB as "Functional Cargo Block". So what is going on? Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

najab · Jun 2, 2005

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