Massive galaxy with no dark matter is a cosmic puzzle

[billslugg]

From the MSN article referenced above:
"Dark electrons are what make up dark matter. "


If one takes this "dark matter" to be the same Dark Matter in galaxies, then this is a false statement.
Electron "dark matter" and space "Dark Matter" are two different things that have nothing to do with each other.

 

[jhixon]

From the MSN article referenced above:
"Dark electrons are what make up dark matter. "


If one takes this "dark matter" to be the same Dark Matter in galaxies, then this is a false statement.
Electron "dark matter" and space "Dark Matter" are two different things that have nothing to do with each other.

So Scientists from the United States, Canada, England and Korea (from four separate countries working together) say that dark matter is associated with the quantum state of matter. You say they are all wrong?

If dark matter is associated with the quantum of matter then the statement is correct. "Dark electrons are what make up dark matter. They are associated with the quantum state of matter, meaning that they exist in a state that appears to be undetectable using standard analytical techniques."

 

[billslugg]

"So Scientists from the United States, Canada, England and Korea (from four separate countries working together) say that dark matter is associated with the quantum state of matter. You say they are all wrong?" - jhixon

I don't know what you mean by "dark matter is associated with the quantum state of matter".

The "dark state" of electrons in a solid lattice is a totally different thing and has nothing to do with "Dark Matter" in galaxies.

 

[jhixon]

"So Scientists from the United States, Canada, England and Korea (from four separate countries working together) say that dark matter is associated with the quantum state of matter. You say they are all wrong?" - jhixon

No, the scientists are correct. It is the person who wrote the article got it wrong.

So if scientists are correct that dark matter is associated with the quantum state of matter, and dark electrons are proved to exist and is also associated with the quantum state of matter and accurately describes the same thing , meaning that they exist in a state that appears to be undetectable using standard analytical techniques." than could one deduce that these are the same thing or at least a real possibility and worth discussing?

When I think of black holes, everything is broken down into it's smallest possible unit. That would mean that billions of electrons are being locked by gravity/electromagnetism and showing no light aka. black hole, or dark electrons?

 

[billslugg]

I did some editing while you were replying but I will restate: The "dark state" of electrons in a solid lattice is a different thing than Dark Matter. They are two unrelated phenomena, linked only by a common English word frequently used in contexts unrelated to each other.

 

[jhixon]

I understand that the lattice is making it impossible to give off photons in a solid that we observed, but can't gravity and electromagnetism also lock electrons so they can't give off photons? It's a fact that electrons are influenced by gravity and electromagnetism, so I'm having a hard time understanding why this can't also occur. One could say that the gravity/electromagnetism at a black hole would cause electrons not to give off photons, thus being a dark electrons. If this wasn't true, then wouldn't we see the billions of electrons giving off light at black holes since gravity breaks all matter down to it's simplest parts, electrons, protons, neutrons, basic particles? Since electrons are everywhere in our universe, why can't this be happening when science says dark electrons are real?

 

[Classical Motion]

All electrons and protons are dark. They are called dark because the light they emit can not be seen. It takes a dipole or larger structure to emit visible light.

Electrons and protons have the same impedance. And the same harmonic rotations. And the same Q.

And electrons and a protons can emit under any bonding configuration. In any state. But you have to stimulate it with the right rate. Electrons and protons are selective to the rates they respond to. There are sorta like sharp filters. They can respond to all stimuli, but to get an emission response, it takes certain rates. And certain amounts of stimuli.

The term dark is like the term energy. It’s very sloppy and can have different references. Look at all the forms of “energy” we have. Energy is simply motion. It is not a hard concept, it’s one of the simplistic. Energy is just motion. “mass” is just confined motion. Another simple concept.

It takes a physical structure to convert linear EM motion….. into angular EM motion. That physical structure is called matter, and e. e is constant. “mass” is the motion of e. NOT the amount of e.

“mass” is a state of acceleration and called inertia. This self acceleration is what resists and delays CHANGE due to stimulus.

There appears to be a state of motion, where the electron and protons can not emit. This is in a state of acceleration, such as the solar wind. The EM and the G force appears to be nullified by this high velocity acceleration. It would not surprise me if they did not emit in this state. This velocity is much slower than c.

We are so ignorant about matter. And will remain so without a structure. A means of being. A means of converting. Setting the quantum ratios of “mass” and “energy”.

The only physicality is matter. Space is the absence of physicality. A void area for matter/field interaction.

 

[billslugg]

"...can't gravity and electromagnetism also lock electrons so they can't give off photons?" - jhixon

No, "locking" can only occur to an electron when it is clamped between atoms held tightly in a solid lattice.

 

[jhixon]

"...can't gravity and electromagnetism also lock electrons so they can't give off photons?" - jhixon

No, "locking" can only occur to an electron when it is clamped between atoms held tightly in a solid lattice.

So unified entanglement would fall where exactly? Unified entanglement refers to the quantum state of entanglement between mass objects, which infers that electrons are entangled, where influencing one influences another. Would electrons entangled be locked as quantum entanglement states?

So you are saying that an electron can only be locked in a lattice, and gravity and electromagnetism doesn't bound them to not giving off photons? This goes against physics, as gravity and electromagnetism influence electrons. Do they not? Here is an article that shows light can stop electrons, so your lattice only stopping electrons is failing miserably.

A team of scientists led by researchers from Imperial College London have proven that electrons can be stopped in their tracks solely with the use of light . The latest work carried out by the team delves into the quantum world and was published in Physical Review X.

Scientists Prove That Light Can Stop Electrons

A team of scientists led by researchers from Imperial College London have proven that electrons can be stopped in their tracks solely with the use of light. This work can help unravel the mysteries of black holes.

www.forbes.com

So based on the information above, electrons can be entangled, locked by light, and affected by gravity and electromagnetism. Electrons have three different spins under the influence of super cold conditions which are different than here on Earth, so electrons could be what is the dark stuff, since dark matter has no scientific support or observable proof, if so please post your link.

 

[billslugg]

Sorry, you just went over my head. I'll have to bow out on this one.

 

[COLGeek]

This thread has run its course. Closing it now.