Massive galaxy with no dark matter is a cosmic puzzle

[Admin]

Astronomers have discovered a massive galaxy that does not seem to contain dark matter, a cosmic puzzle that could challenge theories surrounding the evolution of the universe.

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[ImmortalMelvz]

We are going there, live forever & prosper! <3 * (Y)

 

[wildthing721]

The Dark matter substance that noone has ever found goes missing in a galaxy that has no use for it. This confirms to scientists in favour of it, that is must exist everywhere. Either amazing science or we have slipped down the rabbit hole somewhat here.

 

[jhixon]

Korean scientists make 1st discovery of dark state of electrons in solids for the first time in the world on 7/29/24 and it's naturally occurring. While a lattice doesn’t exist in space to prevent photons from emitting light, other celestial bodies with a stronger electromagnetic force will stop electrons from emitting photons, and not emitting light are dark electrons. Dark electrons are real, factual and are probably the dark clusters found at the outer edge of galaxies.

 

[CatDad007]

Korean scientists make 1st discovery of dark state of electrons in solids for the first time in the world on 7/29/24 and it's naturally occurring. While a lattice doesn’t exist in space to prevent photons from emitting light, other celestial bodies with a stronger electromagnetic force will stop electrons from emitting photons, and not emitting light are dark electrons. Dark electrons are real, factual and are probably the dark clusters found at the outer edge of galaxies.

Do you have a link to share please?

 

[jhixon]

Do you have a link to share please?

Korean scientists make 1st discovery of dark state of electrons in solids

A group of Korean scientists has discovered the existence of dark states of electrons in a solid material for the first time in the world in a joint research project with scientists from the United States, Britain and Canada, the science ministry said Monday.

www.koreatimes.co.kr

 

[Unclear Engineer]

As already discussed, this use of the term "dark" for these electrons has nothing to do with the "dark matter" in astronomy theories. Similarly, "dark oxygen" that seems to be generated by the metallic nodules on the bottom of the ocean at great depths has nothing to do with the "dark matter" in astronomy.

Some people seem to be conflating completely unrelated phenomena because they don't understand what the underlying physics are for each.

And the commercial media seems to be encouraging that with the way they write their headlines.

Don't be conned by the clickbait, please.

 

[George²]

Korean scientists make 1st discovery of dark state of electrons in solids for the first time in the world on 7/29/24 and it's naturally occurring. While a lattice doesn’t exist in space to prevent photons from emitting light, other celestial bodies with a stronger electromagnetic force will stop electrons from emitting photons, and not emitting light are dark electrons. Dark electrons are real, factual and are probably the dark clusters found at the outer edge of galaxies.

Forgive me for going slightly off topic for an example of whether we should trust the corean scientists and some famous places on the internet for scientific publications. Remember the "superconductor" "at room temperature" called to the general public lk-99.

 

[jhixon]

Scientists believe that galaxies have invisible mass in the form of matter that doesn’t interact with light. The gravity holding these galaxies exists because of this invisible mass.
For decades, this explanation has supported the existence of the hypothetical dark matter. However, a new study claims that gravity can exist even without mass, potentially eliminating the need for dark matter altogether.

MSN

Dark electrons exist in matter, and therefore exist in our universe. Dark electrons can also be locked or become unified entanglement by electromagnetism causing electrons to not give off photons, and this can occur from celestial bodies with more electromagnetism so this is realistic. Dark matter is just made up

 

[jhixon]

Forgive me for going slightly off topic for an example of whether we should trust the corean scientists and some famous places on the internet for scientific publications. Remember the "superconductor" "at room temperature" called to the general public lk-99.

Considering this had scientists from the United States, Korea, England and Canada, this was a joint venture.

 

[billslugg]

"It is somewhat similar to how photons, which themselves do not have mass, still experience gravity due to the presence of big astronomical entities."

False statement. Photons have mass. In fact, all things with any amount of energy have some mass. But that is beside the point. All things follow the curvature of space just the same, regardless of how massive they are. (Gallieo 1592)

The paper invokes negative mass to allow the theory. I'll defer to "mass that can't be seen" ala "Dark Matter" over negative mass.

 

[jhixon]

"It is somewhat similar to how photons, which themselves do not have mass, still experience gravity due to the presence of big astronomical entities."

False statement. Photons have mass. In fact, all things with any amount of energy have some mass. But that is beside the point. All things follow the curvature of space just the same, regardless of how massive they are. (Gallieo 1592)

The paper invokes negative mass to allow the theory. I'll defer to "mass that can't be seen" ala "Dark Matter" over negative mass.

Imagine a man wants to build a hill on a flat piece of land. The hill will represent the universe. To make this hill he digs a hole in the ground and uses that soil to make his hill. But of course he's not just making a hill—he's also making a hole, in effect a negative version of the hill. The stuff that was in the hole has now become the hill, so it all perfectly balances out. This is the principle behind what happened at the beginning of the universe. E = E. When the Big Bang produced a massive amount of positive energy, it simultaneously produced the same amount of negative energy. So we can have negative energy, the opposite of positive energy. So why can't negative mass exist? If E = E, then negative energy can be negative mass, as E = E states. This would also support the zero energy universe, where all energy and mass cancels out to equal zero. Evidence suggests that matter, antimatter, positive energy and negative energy, seems to lean towards this zero energy system. Not trying to convince anyone, just these are real possibilities

 

[Unclear Engineer]

The E=E concept is not even proven.

We still have not figured out how the amount of matter is far greater than the amount of antimatter. Not to mention that nobody has demonstrated negative gravity or negative energy of material things. The latest info from CERN is that even antimatter has positive gravity.

So, your E=E is just an unproven concept. You are welcome to pursue it, but don't expect others to believe it without some evidence. "It's only a theory" isn't even true, because a "theory" needs to make observable predictions, Without those, "It's only an hypothesis."

 

[jhixon]

"We still have not figured out how the amount of matter is far greater than the amount of antimatter."
Because energy is converted into matter from collisions of particles as seen in particle colliders. The amount of collisions created are far more then Anti-matter.

Physicists Say There Could Be a Strange Source of 'Negative Gravity' All Around Us​

Physicists Say There Could Be a Strange Source of 'Negative Gravity' All Around Us

The macro world as we know it is governed by Newton's laws of motion and gravity - what goes up, must come down.

sciencealert.com

This paradox is at the heart of the new hypothesis - what if, the researchers say, sound waves actually did carry mass. Negative mass. And that negative mass created its own tiny negative gravitational fields that push them up instead of down.

Apparently, negative mass is a consideration

 

[wolfgamer]

Astronomers have discovered a massive galaxy that does not seem to contain dark matter, a cosmic puzzle that could challenge theories surrounding the evolution of the universe.

Massive galaxy with no dark matter is a cosmic puzzle : Read more

every thing can change at a moment notice they way we think something works or the way we act or what we say and then git proven wrong in the future

 

[jhixon]

Other groups of physicists such as the Alpha Collaboration at CERN are working at much lower energies to see if the properties of antimatter really are the mirror of their matter partners. Their latest results show that an anti-hydrogen atom (made up of an anti-proton and an anti-electron, or positron) is electrically neutral to an accuracy of less than one billionth of the charge of an electron. Combined with other measurements, this implies that the positron is equal and opposite to the charge of the electron to better than one part in a billion – confirming what is expected of antimatter.

 

[Unclear Engineer]

These "negative mas particles" are not really particles. They are phenomena that rely on the presence of other matter in very specific configurations in very localized volumes. See https://sciencealert.com/negative-mass-quasi-particle-polaritons-low-energy-lasers .

So, "negative mass particles" floating around in space are not something that has achieved any credible demonstration. And nobody has yet found something that could be the "dark matter" that is theorized to account for what appears to be extra gravitational attraction of massive objects in space.

The odd thing is that dark matter doesn't appear to be "everywhere" after all.

 

[Classical Motion]

I don't think we have positive and negative energy, I think we have right handed and left handed energy.

 

[jhixon]

So do you think that dark electrons bound by electromagnetism from these celestial bodies is what is giving the dark cluster appearance at the edge of galaxies fields? I ask because the Quantum Laboratory in Japan in 2016 made the discovery that electrons have three different movements and three different spins under extreme cold with little to no magnetic field. This was one of the reasons they build a cold lab on the space station to study quantum effects and of course gravity; The data showed one electrons goes to the outer edge of the field (could this be the dark clusters?), one electrons circles in the middle and one electron rises up (could this be the expansion of space?).

And nobody has yet found something that could be the "dark matter" that is theorized to account for what appears to be extra gravitational attraction of massive objects in space.

 

[Unclear Engineer]

I am going back to my conspiracy theory that the dark matter is really the cloaked properties of the Klingon Empire. For proof, please watch all of the Star Trek series episodes and movies.
At least that is more fun than constantly google searching for something that somebody says is easy to find and proves their favorite hypothesis.

Still open to looking at actual scientific reports, if somebody actually has a link to such.

 

[billslugg]

Jhixon
No. Dark electrons are simply electrons bound inside matter in such a way we can't see them. We can see the matter they are in. The matter is no more or no less massive than any other matter. These dark electrons cannot be Dark Matter. Dark Matter is matter that light won't bounce off of. Could be a lot of things, but its not Dark Electrons. You're in the right pew but you got the wrong church.

 

[jhixon]

Black holes are black because their gravitational pull is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape from them. According to general relativity, black holes are totally black, but in 1976, Stephen Hawking discovered that strange quantum effects at the event horizon can cause black holes to slowly emit radiation known as Hawking radiation. The matter inside a black hole is packed so tightly that gravity overwhelms all other forces, creating a region where even light cannot escape.

Jhixon
No. Dark electrons are simply electrons bound inside matter in such a way we can't see them. We can see the matter they are in. The matter is no more or no less massive than any other matter. These dark electrons cannot be Dark Matter. Dark Matter is matter that light won't bounce off of. Could be a lot of things, but its not Dark Electrons. You're in the right pew but you got the wrong church.

So a black hole is not electromagnetism/gravity locking electrons to be dark electrons and not giving off photons hence a black hole? Would this not be the same for other celestial bodies locking electrons into not giving off photons?

 

[jhixon]

I am going back to my conspiracy theory that the dark matter is really the cloaked properties of the Klingon Empire. For proof, please watch all of the Star Trek series episodes and movies.
At least that is more fun than constantly google searching for something that somebody says is easy to find and proves their favorite hypothesis.

Still open to looking at actual scientific reports, if somebody actually has a link to such.

The experimental team used a transmission electron microscope to generate nanometer-sized electron vortex beams in which the electrons had a variety of quantum angular-momentum states, and then analyzed the beam propagation to reconstruct the rotational dynamics of the electrons in different Landau states. According to classical physics, the electrons should rotate uniformly at what is called the cyclotron frequency, the frequency adopted by a charged particle moving through a magnetic field. Remarkably, what the researchers discovered is that in fact, depending on the quantum number describing the angular momentum, the electrons rotated in three different ways with zero frequency, the cyclotron frequency, and the Larmor frequency, which is half the cyclotron frequency. This shows that the rotational dynamics of the electrons are more complex and intriguing than was once believed.

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dml.riken.jp

Electron quantum states set free | RIKEN

RIKEN researchers have found that a rotating beam of electrons can provide unprecedented information on magnetic quantum states.

www.riken.jp

Or it could be Klingons......

 

[Unclear Engineer]

First line of the linked article:

"A vortex of electrons provides unprecedented information on magnetic quantum states in solids" [emphasis added]

This thread is about dark matter in space.

I am not going into rabbit-hole thread drift because jhixon conflates everything he can find using similar words on the Internet.

Show me a link to a report by an actual scientist who thinks one or more of these phenomena could be relevant to dark matter in space.

 

[jhixon]

Being rude doesn't foster intellectual conversations. This isn't a personal attack on you or any of your theories. I am trying to provide information that may be relevant to this discussion. If you can't be open to all possibilities and discuss them than what is the point to posting? Here is your link with THEIR words written 1 month ago.

"Dark electrons are what make up dark matter. They are associated with the quantum state of matter, meaning that they exist in a state that appears to be undetectable using standard analytical techniques."

MSN

www.msn.com