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<p>Thanks for the updates Wayne and Andrew; et all :p</p><p>I got another question heh.&nbsp;&nbsp; On those time lines, and the time line pictures, where it says EPS and GRS have been configured; does that mean they have been calibrated using some on board system to get a known measurment, and from there on can be used to record the respective data during the approach?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or is it just a routine check?</p><p>I read the press release for the flyby, about how the MESSENGER team has data showing that the outer core is perhapse forming the magnetic field as it cools.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm just hoping for a more in depth explanation, I've been navigating their site, but there just so many goodies I keep loosing track heh.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>Rock on!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Thanks for the updates Wayne and Andrew; et all :pI got another question heh.&nbsp;&nbsp; On those time lines, and the time line pictures, where it says EPS and GRS have been configured; does that mean they have been calibrated using some on board system to get a known measurment, and from there on can be used to record the respective data during the approach?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or is it just a routine check?I read the press release for the flyby, about how the MESSENGER team has data showing that the outer core is perhapse forming the magnetic field as it cools.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm just hoping for a more in depth explanation, I've been navigating their site, but there just so many goodies I keep loosing track heh.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rock on! <br /> Posted by neuvik</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Hi neuvik, </strong></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2"><strong>It is great to see that it is not just Wayne, Anthmartian & myself who are very interested in this.&nbsp;</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="2">The EPS & GRS are configured & checked out against cruise. They were thouroughly calibrated during the Earth encounter back on Tuesday 2nd August 2005. Since then they are regularly monitored during the long stages of interplanetary cruise to ensure that they do not drift. The GRS is really like a heat sink that gathers the Gamma Ray photons so as long as it cools down to the correct temperature, it will always operate at a known level of sensitivity.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">The MDIS cameras for instance are not 100% idle either during the long cruise stages. They are used for calibration & navigation purposes. For instance MESSENGER had imaged the M45 The Pleiades many times & Sirius / Alpha Canis Majoris (I will go & find those images as you have got me going now <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/8/6/38eb8ddb-510e-4258-a672-7614684c3aab.Medium.gif" alt="" />).<br /><br /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">The EPS more or less likewise.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Regarding Mercury's core. Apart from the images that area of hermean research is one of my most anticipated. It is indeed suspected that Mercury, like the Earth & Jupiter's moon Ganymede has a dual layered core (inner & outer). I think Mercury does, owing to the active (not fossil) global magnetosphere. Tracking of MESSENGER on this pass will either confirm or deny that. Mariner 10 hinted at it, though the tracking in 1974 was not quite as sensitive as it is in 2008, well there is a 34 year gap I suppose.</font> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/2/32c10526-82c0-4e43-b24f-5cd7268b40df.Medium.gif" alt="" /><br /> </strong></p><p><font size="2"><strong>The cores are most likely, the inner one a solid lump of iron & nickel, the outer one being molten Iron Sulphide. Add Sulphur to Iron & you lower it's melting point. I think it is that convecting whilst very slowly cooling.&nbsp;</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi neuvik, &nbsp;It is great to see that it is not just Wayne, Anthmartian & myself who are very interested in this.&nbsp;The EPS & GRS are configured & checked out against cruise. They were thouroughly calibrated during the Earth encounter back on Tuesday 2nd August 2005. Since then they are regularly monitored during the long stages of interplanetary cruise to ensure that they do not drift. The GRS is really like a heat sink that gathers the Gamma Ray photons so as long as it cools down to the correct temperature, it will always operate at a known level of sensitivity.The MDIS cameras for instance are not 100% idle either during the long cruise stages. They are used for calibration & navigation purposes. For instance MESSENGER had imaged the M45 The Pleiades many times & Sirius / Alpha Canis Majoris (I will go & find those images as you have got me going now ).The EPS more or less likewise.Regarding Mercury's core. Apart from the images that area of hermean research is one of my most anticipated. It is indeed suspected that Mercury, like the Earth & Jupiter's moon Ganymede has a dual layered core (inner & outer). I think Mercury does, owing to the active (not fossil) global magnetosphere. Tracking of MESSENGER on this pass will either confirm or deny that. Mariner 10 hinted at it, though the tracking in 1974 was not quite as sensitive as it is in 2008, well there is a 34 year gap I suppose. The cores are most likely, the inner one a solid lump of iron & nickel, the outer one being molten Iron Sulphide. Add Sulphur to Iron & you lower it's melting point. I think it is that convecting whilst very slowly cooling.&nbsp;Andrew Brown.&nbsp; <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>Ah I didn't know the GRS and they MDIS were basically kept online, thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So this pass tomorrow will confirm or deny that Mercury has a dual core layering?&nbsp;&nbsp;Slammin!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yea I'm with ya'll in good excitement on MESSNGERs magnometric and spectrographic sciences, unfortunately I'm trying to balance reading with studying naval architecture and electrical machinery for my classes heh :p </p><p>Got another question, this pertaining to the GRNS.&nbsp; How does it gather data on wether Mercury has ice at its poles?&nbsp; The ice (if there)&nbsp;almost never receives direct sunlight?&nbsp;&nbsp; So do they figure there is some reflection&nbsp;of cosmic rays&nbsp;from the surface, against the atmosphere, to the poles, and back out again?&nbsp; Or do they figure theres a fair amount of radioactive material up their that will emit neutrons at a slower rate (based on be colder I figure) than somewhere else?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ah I didn't know the GRS and they MDIS were basically kept online, thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So this pass tomorrow will confirm or deny that Mercury has a dual core layering?&nbsp;&nbsp;Slammin!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yea I'm with ya'll in good excitement on MESSNGERs magnometric and spectrographic sciences, unfortunately I'm trying to balance reading with studying naval architecture and electrical machinery for my classes heh :p Got another question, this pertaining to the GRNS.&nbsp; How does it gather data on wether Mercury has ice at its poles?&nbsp; The ice (if there)&nbsp;almost never receives direct sunlight?&nbsp;&nbsp; So do they figure there is some reflection&nbsp;of cosmic rays&nbsp;from the surface, against the atmosphere, to the poles, and back out again?&nbsp; Or do they figure theres a fair amount of radioactive material up their that will emit neutrons at a slower rate (based on be colder I figure) than somewhere else? <br />Posted by neuvik</DIV><br /><br />A good starting point is this intro to the Instruments:</p><p>http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/instruments/index.html</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Ah I didn't know the GRS and they MDIS were basically kept online, thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So this pass tomorrow will confirm or deny that Mercury has a dual core layering?&nbsp;&nbsp;Slammin!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yea I'm with ya'll in good excitement on MESSNGERs magnometric and spectrographic sciences, unfortunately I'm trying to balance reading with studying naval architecture and electrical machinery for my classes heh :p Got another question, this pertaining to the GRNS.&nbsp; How does it gather data on wether Mercury has ice at its poles?&nbsp; The ice (if there)&nbsp;almost never receives direct sunlight?&nbsp;&nbsp; So do they figure there is some reflection&nbsp;of cosmic rays&nbsp;from the surface, against the atmosphere, to the poles, and back out again?&nbsp; Or do they figure theres a fair amount of radioactive material up their that will emit neutrons at a slower rate (based on be colder I figure) than somewhere else? <br /> Posted by neuvik</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Hi again neuvik,</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Yes the existance of Mercury's double layered core will be settled once & for all with tomorrow's encounter. Certainly Mercury has a massive core, that is beyond any doubt, but what is open to question is, is it double layered like Earth & Ganymede or is is singular like Venus, Mars or the Moon? We'll know on Tuesday once all of the data is downloaded.</font></strong></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I am no expert on this, but the existence of ice in polar shadowed craters, is based on hydrogen concentrations above the cold traps. Despite Mercury being the closest major object to the Sun, the permanently shadowed craters could be as cold as -235 C, or about the same as Neptune's moon Triton. Mercury is a world of oxymorons, equatorial early afternoon temps reach approx +427 C (not far short of Venus), the same spot at dawn, -186 C (similar to Saturn's moons).</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>So my guess is that the GRNS&nbsp; will measure the concentration & motion of cold hydrogen over the poles. Cosmic Rays are indeed though to splutter the cryonic ice, the vapour rises into the sunlight where the Oxygen & Hydrogen are seperated. Oxygen being heavier & Mercury having quite a considerable surface gravity (37.7 % of Earth, more or less equal to Mars's 37.8% g) either travels more slowly or descends into the cold trap.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Yes I found two navigation images of Sirius & the Pleiades. Not easy but have all of MESSENGERs raw images directories bookmarked.</strong></font></p><p><font size="3">Sirius / Alpha Canis Majoris & Pleiades imaged by MESSENGER. </font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/1/3fa7e9b9-28f6-421b-915b-87c0ea59b8c8.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><strong><font size="2">Countdown to 2nd closest approach: Monday 6th October 2008.&nbsp;<br /><br />0 Day. <br />14 Hours.&nbsp;<br />15 Minutes.&nbsp;<br />43 Seconds.</font></strong><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A good starting point is this intro to the Instruments:http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/instruments/index.html <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>Oh thank you Wayne, I was getting my info through the student resources side...it only has a paragraph per instrument heh.&nbsp;&nbsp; http://btc.montana.edu/messenger/mission/onboard_inst.php&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But your link is much better!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2"><font size="1">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></font><strong><font size="1">So my guess is that the GRNS&nbsp; will measure the concentration & motion of cold hydrogen over the poles. Cosmic Rays are indeed though to splutter the cryonic ice, the vapour rises into the sunlight where the Oxygen & Hydrogen are seperated. Oxygen being heavier & Mercury having quite a considerable surface gravity (37.7 % of Earth, more or less equal to Mars's 37.8% g) either travels more slowly or descends into the cold trap.</font>&nbsp; <font size="1">3488</font></strong></font><font size="1"></DIV></font></p><p><font size="1">Ah that sounds&nbsp;more likely heh.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the input, nice pictures as usual heh.</font></p><p><br /><br />&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Oh thank you Wayne, I was getting my info through the student resources side...it only has a paragraph per instrument heh.&nbsp;&nbsp;Posted by neuvik</DIV><br /><br />Glad I could help</p><p>12 hours to closest approach....</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Glad I could help12 hours to closest approach.... <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Hi Wayne, also now only 36 minutes till MESSENGER turns & the high gain link is turned off with the I'm alive beacon coming on.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Hope we get to see the images # 7 & 8 soon.&nbsp; The # 8 should be very good, with the crescent Mercury filling up a large part of the frame.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I'm off to bed now. At time of periherm, I will be at work, but hopefully on Tuesday morning the first close encounter phase images will be made available.</strong></font></p><strong><font size="2">Countdown to 2nd closest approach: Monday 6th October 2008.&nbsp;<br /><br />0 Day. <br />11 Hours.&nbsp;<br />11 Minutes.&nbsp;<br />11 Seconds.</font></strong><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown. <br /></strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>It is 6 october.. 3.10 in my morning.</p><p>I can not sleep !!!!! this is soo exiting !</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>-=-</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>8.06 in the morning.. It should be happening soon.. </p><p>New photo's of unknown terretory will soon be visual to all</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">It is 6 october.. 3.10 in my morning.I can not sleep !!!!! this is soo exiting !&nbsp;-=-&nbsp;8.06 in the morning.. It should be happening soon.. New photo's of unknown terretory will soon be visual to all <br />Posted by efron_24</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Hi Chris. We wont get to see any actual encounter data till tomorrow morning, but hopefully all is going well. This is very exciting indeed, after today 95% of Mercury will have been imaged & early tomorrow, we start seeing some of the actual data.<br /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Hi all,</font></strong></p><p><font size="4">SEVENTH approach image.&nbsp;</font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Resolution: 10 KM / 6.2 miles per pixel.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Large dark haloed crater in northern hemisphere. More detail now in the southern hemisphere basin. Looks like a gigantic rupes in the southern hesisphere, cutting through the basin & going off towards the limb.<br /></strong></font></p><p><font size="4">Large image here.</font><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/15/d9422033-f9de-4b74-bfb7-f8f098ff8052.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">#7 Northern Hemisphere.&nbsp;</font>&nbsp;<font size="4">&nbsp; #7 Southern Hemisphere.</font></p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/1/e49d13ae-49ff-43bb-b137-c890c02c8459.Medium.jpg" alt="" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/1/3fcdee62-c04e-4625-a190-552ebaf0453e.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><strong><font size="2">Countdown to 2nd closest approach: Monday 6th October 2008.&nbsp;<br /><br />0 Day.&nbsp;<br />1 Hour.&nbsp;<br />55 Minutes.&nbsp;<br />45 Seconds.</font></strong> <p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><strong><font size="2">MESSENGER has passed into the hermean shadow. Now in internal batteries for 17 minutes. Radar scan commences in 8 minutes.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Countdown to 2nd closest approach: Monday 6th October 2008.&nbsp;<br /><br />0 Day.&nbsp;<br />0 Hour.&nbsp;<br />12 Minutes.&nbsp;<br />42 Seconds.</font></strong> </p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.</strong></font><br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><strong><font size="2">Periherm / Closest Approach.&nbsp;</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Countdown to 2nd closest approach: Monday 6th October 2008.&nbsp;<br /><br />0 Day.&nbsp;<br />0 Hour.&nbsp;<br />0 Minute.&nbsp;<br />0 Second.</font></strong> </p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Chris. We wont get to see any actual encounter data till tomorrow morning,[..] Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>I saw that yes.. it was on space.com ("Researchers hope to begin receiving new data from MESSENGER about 21 hours after it leaves Mercury's shadow, in the very early morning hours of U.S. EDT on Tuesday")</p><p>So I stayed awake whole night for 'nothing'.. oh well.. </p><p>Watched all 5 DVD's of the 3rd Battlestar Galactica season".. grin.</p><p>I had hoped to see the unknown parts of Mercure this night.. but i will have to wait a little more.</p><p>Image what we could see... It could be just the same as the rest of the planet.. or we might see an actual Vulcanic Mountain like on Mars.. or a Grand Canion.. not made by&nbsp;water.. but still.. Who knows what was hidden in the "dark" .. </p><p>We are going to see ancient structures.. that have been unknown to us..</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">I saw that yes.. it was on space.com ("Researchers hope to begin receiving new data from MESSENGER about 21 hours after it leaves Mercury's shadow, in the very early morning hours of U.S. EDT on Tuesday")So I stayed awake whole night for 'nothing'.. oh well.. Watched all 5 DVD's of the 3rd Battlestar Galactica season".. grin.I had hoped to see the unknown parts of Mercure this night.. but i will have to wait a little more.Image what we could see... It could be just the same as the rest of the planet.. or we might see an actual Vulcanic Mountain like on Mars.. or a Grand Canion.. not made by&nbsp;water.. but still.. Who knows what was hidden in the "dark" .. We are going to see ancient structures.. that have been unknown to us..&nbsp; <br />Posted by efron_24</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Hi Chris,</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Yes MESSENGER should start downloading tomorrow approx 01:15 EDT/ 06:15 UT / 07:15 CET / 08:15 SCET.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">I agree, a huge swathe like that unimaged may well be hiding hermeological wonders. The 21% crescent&nbsp; seen so far, has not revealed anything like the Mercury equivalent of Olympus Mons or Vallis Marineris. We have not yet seen the other part of previously unimaged terrain, that was seen during the outbound leg, along with a large portion of what Mariner 10 imaged, but with the Sun shining from the other direction.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">It's not worth you staying up tonight as for you it will be approx 8:15 AM local time&nbsp;as MESSENGER starts the download.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Fortunately the 'high priority' images will be downloaded first, almost immediately. I can assure you they will contain the unimaged parts of Mercury. The swathe Mariner 10 saw, will be downlinked later, but tomorrow we will for the first time ever, see completely new regions on Mercury.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">The one thing that bother's me this time, is that there is no word about the Tracking (I'm Alive) Beacon that MESSENGER should be using to enable tracking whist the craft is making the observations. </font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">In January the tracking beacon was often mentioned. This time, it has not been mentioned once. Also the image # 8 from the initial approach has not appeared either. Hope all is OK. I'm sure it is, I just get a little worried by the silence from TPTB.</font></strong> <font size="2"><strong>I'll e-mail them later.</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>Andrew, this blurb was on the MESENGER website</p><p>"<span class="wwwbodytxtWhite">October 6, 2008</span></p><div class="wwwbodytxtWhite" style="padding-bottom:5px"><strong>MESSENGER Flyby of Mercury</strong></div><div class="wwwbodytxtWhite">At a little after 4:40 a.m. EDT, MESSENGER skimmed 200 kilometers (124 miles) above the surface of Mercury in the second of three flybys of the planet. <strong>Initial indications from the radio signals indicate that the spacecraft continues to operate nominally.</strong> The spacecraft is now collecting images and other scientific measurements from the planet as it departs Mercury from the illuminated side, filling in the details of much of Mercury&rsquo;s surface not previously viewed by spacecraft. [<font color="#ffff99">more</font>]"</div> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Andrew, this blurb was on the MESENGER website"October 6, 2008MESSENGER Flyby of MercuryAt a little after 4:40 a.m. EDT, MESSENGER skimmed 200 kilometers (124 miles) above the surface of Mercury in the second of three flybys of the planet. Initial indications from the radio signals indicate that the spacecraft continues to operate nominally. The spacecraft is now collecting images and other scientific measurements from the planet as it departs Mercury from the illuminated side, filling in the details of much of Mercury&rsquo;s surface not previously viewed by spacecraft. [<font color="#000080">more</font>]" <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Thank you so much&nbsp;Wayne.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">It was not there only a little while ago. That's great news, I know it's only the Tracking Beacon, but it means MESSENGER come though the eclipse @ Periherm (the batteries worked at least) OK.<br /><br />Lets hope the instruments have worked OK. I just get a bit jumpy, that's all.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>I understand. BTW found this about image releases:</p><p>Tomorrow at 1:14 a.m. EDT, the spacecraft will turn its high-gain antenna back toward Earth to start down-linking the data stored onboard. <strong>The first pictures from the flyby will be released around 10:00 a.m. on October 7, 2008.</strong> Additional information and features from this encounter will be available online at http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby2.html. Be sure to check back frequently to see the latest released images and science results!<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p>Hey guys, I found this image on the messenger site.&nbsp; Just notes some of the interesting areas at first glance of what they can see at this point.&nbsp; Most are probably the same things you all noticed, but nonetheless here it is.</p><p>&nbsp;http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/pics/EN0131717310M_Labels2.jpg</p><p>&nbsp;edit: Evidently I'm not very good at posting images, but here is the link that takes you directly to the picture I mentioned</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#993300"><font size="2"><font color="#000000"> </font><em><font color="#000000">Those who never make mistakes, are always led by those who do.</font></em></font></font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hey guys, I found this image on the messenger site.&nbsp; Just notes some of the interesting areas at first glance of what they can see at this point.&nbsp; Most are probably the same things you all noticed, but nonetheless here it is.&nbsp;http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/pics/EN0131717310M_Labels2.jpg&nbsp;edit: Evidently I'm not very good at posting images, but here is the link that takes you directly to the picture I mentioned <br />Posted by Meric</DIV><br /><br />Yes, they have labeled some of the things we've been discussing, as well as a few others.</p><p>I've posted the pic for you, but the link allows it to be seen better.</p><p>BTW, the image is from the 8th and Final Navigation image set.</p><p>thanx!<br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/0/ac60d73e-dd63-4a9a-a0a3-7881bfb208f1.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi neuvik, &nbsp;It is great to see that it is not just Wayne, Anthmartian & myself who are very interested in this.&nbsp;......&nbsp;Andrew Brown.&nbsp; <br />Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>Oh, I am very interested also, and read this thread daily, even if I am not posting anything into it.&nbsp; Thank you everyone for updates!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>
 
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<p>I will get some sleep to be fit in the morning.</p><p>Thanks to all for the constant updates</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I will get some sleep to be fit in the morning.Thanks to all for the constant updates <br />Posted by efron_24</DIV><br /><br />I will be out all night freezing my tail off meteor observing, so will have to select in advance what vegetable I want to be tomorrow. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><font size="2"><strong>Hi everyone, thank you very much for the updates. I was back again late today. <br /> </strong></font></p><p><font size="4">My blow up of the Image # 8. Made it quite large without it loosing too much detail. </font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/12/96dd712e-f2e8-4f75-bcc0-f583be37d888.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">Double ringed & small bright craters on Intercrater Lava Plains. </font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/1/cae5ff2b-c4bf-4c87-b132-bf9e3b09ecb9.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">Massive Rupes on the Afternoon Terminator.</font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/12/0d2f4bc3-d23a-49bc-ac27-1a58afb530bf.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">Massive Rupes with description.</font></p><p><font size="4">http://my1.photodump.com/uploads/3488/0aaa3f5df12a33a1.jpg</font> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/11/918fbfd6-edd0-4f90-ab4d-11fc3985d172.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p><font size="4">Large Lava filled Basin in southern hemisphere.</font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/8/a5c35929-c0e5-41bb-9817-0b7281193f62.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4">Large Basin description.</font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/4/cf59d0f9-f74b-4082-84d7-24ce192bcf1b.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>Thanks MeteorWayne .. grin</p><p>I was about to go to sleep (23.00h) but now that I know about this, I will select a nice spot in the garden to&nbsp;look around</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks MeteorWayne .. grinI was about to go to sleep (23.00h) but now that I know about this, I will select a nice spot in the garden to&nbsp;look around <br />Posted by efron_24</DIV><br /><br />Unless you are a meteor nut like me, I wouldn't stay up for the,... I expect rates tonight to be 4 -6 per hours, though the Draconids are always capable of a surprise. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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