MESSENGER Mercury Updates.

3488 · Oct 6, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Unless you are a meteor nut like me, I wouldn't stay up for the,... I expect rates tonight to be 4 -6 per hours, though the Draconids are always capable of a surprise. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>From here we cannot see a naffing thing. It's overcast & is raining on & off. Not heavy, but a bit of rain every now & again. I expect Chris, it's not a lot different for you as you do not live too far from me, though you are a little further north on the other side of the North Sea.  I am really looking forward to tomorrow's MESSENGER downloads. I hope amongst the 'high priority' downloads will be the full frame approaching crescent, receding gibbous (including the six frame gibbous mosaic or at least frames from the prev unseen side) & also the NAC Mosaic of the approaching crescent. The approaching crescent with that basin & the complex of Scarps is already an amazing revelation yet those were only on the navigation images!!!!! Shame they could not have squeezed one more in before turning MESSENGER for the encounter.Anyway soon we get to see Mercury in full resolution again from tomorrow. Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Oct 6, 2008

Yep.. I am going to sleep..Even if the entering meteor would be visual here.. it will be hours from nowand my eyes are small !!! I will look forward to all updates tomorrowfrom Africa and Southern where the falling stone is likely to put up a great showand from Mercury. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Hi all,GREAT NEWSI have just been talking to Dr Ralph McNutt @ the JHU / APL on the telephone for the last 20 minutes & the encounter was 100% successful. MESSENGER performed flawlessly throughout. Telemetry shows that all 1,225 MDIS images were taken, all non imaging data was obtained & 23 High priority ones of the crescent & a few from the receding side have made it safely back. Pointing of the instruments were 100% through out. No misaimings, no missing gaps. The encounter is a 100% SUCCESS. All instruments worked perfectly with no safing events. Apparently the team are agasp & are literally drooling over the images. There are new features never seen before on Mercury, particularly on the outbound side the swathe Mariner 10 did not see. Exciting, exciting exciting. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/1/ef7ebf88-1576-479a-a1e9-e034dbab8a8d.Medium.gif" alt="" /> #Hopefull some will appear on the website later. Ralph did say some images are likely to be posted early, due to the excellent communications with MESSENGER.I'm absolutely ecstatic. Mercury is now 95.7% imaged. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/9/33969a6d-f9e1-4964-b908-3e28edf77c88.Medium.gif" alt="" /> #Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Oct 7, 2008

almost 96% of the planet photographedI can not wait.. to see it ALL <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

franontanaya · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There are new features never seen before on Mercury</DIV><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-yell.gif" border="0" alt="Yell" title="Yell" /> Relativity is when waiting a few hours to see some images seems a longer time than waiting years of travel to get there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Mercury as never seen before.Departing Gibbous.The left section approx one half of the view here was imaged by Mariner 10, but the sun was shining from the left during those encounters in 1974. The bright crater just south of dead centre is Kuiper, which was close to the PM terminator in Mariner 10 images, here is near noon. The portion on the right is newly imaged terrain, never before seen by human eyes. The bright rayed crater to the south east was radar imaged at very low resolution from Earth, but now for the first time ever has been seen properly. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/4/5383d7c2-2df2-4b00-94f4-a4d78281257f.Medium.png" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Just had a go at cropping & enlargening the previously unimaged part. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/6/3fab7fad-a6ee-480a-96b8-1e2e01fd3154.Medium.png" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Posted by 3488</DIV> "A striking characteristic of this newly imaged area is the large pattern of rays that extend from the northern region of Mercury to regions south of Kuiper. This extensive ray system appears to emanate from a relatively young crater newly imaged by MESSENGER" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi all,GREAT NEWSJust been talking to Ralph Mcnutt @ the JHU / APL on the telephone for the last 20 minutes & the encounter was 100% successful. Telemetry shows that all 1,217 MDIS images were taken, all non imaging data was obtained & 23 High priority ones of the crescent & a few from the receding side have made it safely back. Pointing of the instruments were 100% through out. No misaimings, no missing gaps.The encounter is a 100% SUCCESS. All instruments worked perfectly with no safing events. Apparently the team are agasp & are literally drooling over the images. There are new features never seen before on Mercury, psrticularly on the outbound side the swathe Mariner 10 did not see. Exciting, exciting exciting. Hopefull some will appear on the website later. Ralph did say some images are likely to be posted early, due to the excellent communications with MESSENGER.I'm absolutely ecstatic. Mercury is now 95.7% imaged. Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> Thanx Andrew, good news to wake up to!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

Meric · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>"A striking characteristic of this newly imaged area is the large pattern of rays that extend from the northern region of Mercury to regions south of Kuiper. This extensive ray system appears to emanate from a relatively young crater newly imaged by MESSENGER" Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> When you look at these pictures and say they (bright craters) appear young, how young would you guestimate them to be?  I know it's impossible to put an exact time, but what do you think? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Those who never make mistakes, are always led by those who do. </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery...lery_id=2&image_id=215&keyword=60&search_cat=<a href="http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=215" target="_blank">Section of terrain 340 KM wide centered 2.4 S. 290 East.http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Forums/Weakened following bowel surgery. Low energy levels.</a>http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Forums/Weakened following bowel surgery. Low energy levels. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/12/f9755884-57bf-432a-ac4d-f0836fe95005.Medium.png" alt="" />WAC Crescent during approach. 5 KM resolution. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/15/ffcbc92a-1c53-4459-bf04-a1bc15ce6425.Medium.png" alt="" />http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=217South west portion of newly imaged terrain on approach. 500 metre resolution.http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=215 <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/2/3ba2b26d-f8da-4814-b2b6-b15598c1a4a9.Medium.png" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> When you look at these pictures and say they (bright craters) appear young, how young would you guestimate them to be?  I know it's impossible to put an exact time, but what do you think? Posted by Meric</DIV> LOL, I don't think I'm even qualified to take a WAG. I'd think that once all this data has been absobed and analyzed, in a few months or years some good estimates may be possible. The problem is that impact rates for Mercury are not well known. For the moon, and outer solar system hard bodies, we have good estimates of the impact rates, but for Mercury, so close to the sun, it's more difficult.I'd rather not even guess when I'm out of my area of expertise

<div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

neuvik · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>"A striking characteristic of this newly imaged area is the large pattern of rays that extend from the northern region of Mercury to regions south of Kuiper. This extensive ray system appears to emanate from a relatively young crater newly imaged by MESSENGER" Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>dumb question sorry, so they can tell if craters are young because of those rays?   Is that because they weather away faster than the cater itself right?Can't wait till they crunch the geoscience data, but thats prolly a few days off.   Epic pictures! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>dumb question sorry, so they can tell if craters are young because of those rays?   Is that because they weather away faster than the cater itself right?Can't wait till they crunch the geoscience data, but thats prolly a few days off.   Epic pictures! Posted by neuvik</DIV> As I understand it, yes. Both the rays and the craters themselves darken over time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

efron_24 · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just had a go at cropping & enlargening the previously unimaged part.Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> Oh my... This is much more than we hoped for..What a planet !!!! These stripes are amazing.. running over the whole globeImage the impact and the aftermath.. It must have been a spectecular view when that was created..  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Machaut is the name of a crater, approximately 100 kilometer (60 mile) in diameter, first seen under high-Sun conditions by Mariner 10 in the 1970s. The crater is named for the medieval French poet and composer Guillaume de Machaut. This NAC image shows an amazing new view of Machaut taken during MESSENGER’s second flyby of Mercury. The slanting rays of the Sun cast shadows that reveal numerous small craters and intricate features. The largest crater within Machaut appears to have been inundated by lava flows similar to those that have filled most of the floor of the larger feature. The adjacent, slightly smaller crater was formed at a later time and excavated material below the lava-formed surface. MESSENGER science team members will also be studying the shallow ridges that crisscross Machaut’s floor. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/15/520a4c8d-815d-4a1b-af61-fc1d9a42a55d.Medium.png" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

New images are coming in rapidly now... http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/index.php <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>New images are coming in rapidly now... http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/index.php Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Thank you very much Wayne. From work I was dragged around ASDA (owned by Wal Mart, which I'm sure most of you are familiar with) for shopping <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif" border="0" alt="Surprised" title="Surprised" />(what a chore, guess she's trying to domesticate me). <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" />I like that one of Machaut Crater. I had heard of it before as during the Mariner 10 pass, the Sun was almost at the zenith & was not well seen as the contrast as you know is low with little or no shadow, etc. MESSENGER got it beautifully.Yes MESSENGER has sent back bucket loads today. Total 100% success this mission has been so far. What grabs me was the distance at which the ejecta rays travelled. The Surface gravity on Mercury (37.7%), is almost dead equal to that of Mars (37.8%), a difference of only one part in three hundred & seventy.I had a fascinating talk with Dr Ralph McNutt this morning (for him it was a lot earlier than it was for me), & we had the most fascinating conversation, were we discussed the performance of MESSENGER, the telemetry, all systems were well within tolerances, solar activity, lack of evidence of hermean moons & also from June to early October, MESSENGER was carrying out a systematic search for vulcanoids. Vulcanoids came up blank, though the search will resume later this year. I mentioned that I was not surpised by that result, as impacts will liberate debris & the solar energy & the solar wind would remove it, hence 'eroding' them, unless they are fairly large. 40 KM or larger across, when they would have enough gravity to hold onto a regolith which MDIS could easily find against the blackness of space despite the proximity of the Sun (from Mercury's orbit, of course they would attain a far greater elongation, where as from Earth, maximum elongation is only about 7 degrees, where as from Mercury about 21 degrees). We also spoke about the volcanic plains & that there a lot more of them in the north & he agreed with me that Mercury does appear to be assymetric, bulging slightly in the south, like Mars, though really we will not know for sure  until MESSENGER takes up hermeocentric orbit & builds a complete global elevation map of Mercury, like Magellan did with Venus & the MGS MOLA did with Mars. We will have similar for Mercury & finally figure out the tallest peak & the lowest point on the first rock from the Sun & what the elevation difference will tell us about the mechanical strength of Mercury's crust.  Very interesting. Will be keeping a watch out this evening for more images. I thin for the foreseeable I can see a few being released daily. So now we've seen 95.7% of Mercury. The September 2009 pass will only add another 2%, but MESSENGER woll be passing more slowly enabling for targetted observations based on the images from this encounter.When MESSENGER approaches Mercury for the final time, the orientation of Mercury will also be very similar to how it was today & in September 2009. Of course from March 18th 2011, MESSENGER becomes a hermean moon & Mercury will be slowly rotationg beneath MESSENGER's orbit, se we will get to see the entire surface over time. Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

h2ouniverse · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>New images are coming in rapidly now... http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/index.php Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> I can't wait for images of the poles.But should be in 2011 I guess...

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I can't wait for images of the poles.But should be in 2011 I guess... Posted by h2ouniverse</DIV>Hi Joel, that is correct. The September 2009 pass will also be an equatorial one as MESSENGER obviously need to remain in Mercury's orbtal plane. But in March 2011, Messenger will approach Mercury from the north, passing about 82 degrees north around the first periherm. From then on, MESSENGER will be orbiting Mercury in an 82 degree inclination. I wonder with the fuel saved due to the successful solar sailing with the arrays, they could make the orbit truly polar 90 degrees??Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

h2ouniverse · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Joel, that is correct.  Posted by 3488</DIV> Hi Andrew, Sorry, I can't help looking for H2O...

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I wonder with the fuel saved due to the successful solar sailing with the arrays, they could make the orbit truly polar 90 degrees??Andrew Brown.  Posted by 3488</DIV> I also hope that the propellant saved using solar sailing will allow the craft to have it's orbit changed after (or during) the primary mission. IIRC, it is an eccentric orbit with periheme? always in one (N or S) hemisphere? I'd like to see that changed if possible so the other hemisphere is examined with closer images. The 82 degree isn't so bad as it allows you (over time) to image more of the surface at different solar elevations. From there, the poles will be able to be examined. It's really not that much different than 90 degrees. In fact, I would bet thet the 3D images that will be created of the poles by 2012 will be extremely precise. Breathtaking, in fact. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I also hope that the propellant saved using solar sailing will allow the craft to have it's orbit changed after (or during) the primary mission. IIRC, it is an eccentric orbit with periheme? always in one (N or S) hemisphere? I'd like to see that changed if possible so the other hemisphere is examined with closer images. The 82 degree isn't so bad as it allows you (over time) to image more of the surface at different solar elevations. From there, the poles will be able to be examined. It's really not that much different than 90 degrees. In fact, I would bet thet the 3D images that will be created of the poles by 2012 will be extremely precise. Breathtaking, in fact. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Hi Wayne, you are correct. The periherm is over the northern mid latitudes at times passing lowish over the centre of Caloris, with apoherm mid southern latitudes.In fact Wayne I agree with your idea to alternate between the two or even make the orbit a little lower & more circular. I raised this very point with Dr McNutt this morning (we did have one hell of a conversation) & of course Mercury reradiates solar energy in IR, hence the orbit of Messenger cannot be too low due to the heat coming off Mercury's surface. But the alternating, pivoting orbit arrangement that you describe could sort of petal around the entire planet, so at one time or another, most regions will be beneath MESSENGER at periherm. We'll know more in September 2009, to see how much more fuel is saved with continued solar sailing.This image the one here has got my solitary brain cell oscillating wildly. To me it looks like lava layer over layer over layer. It looks exactly like a massive force, i.e the basin forming event, the result of which is partly seen on the right was blasted into it.It has formed huge sheets like the Deccan Lava traps in India (thought to be partially responsible for the extinction of the Dinosaurs, the asteroid / comet impact in Mexico giving them the final blow). This MESSENGER image alone convinces me we are looking at a lava flooded surface, that erupted periodically over time to form layers, not just impact melt, such as seen to the north of Caloris during the first pass back in January.Mind you this thread is about MESSENGER not my inane ramblings, <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/10/ff1a7142-bdcc-434e-9a00-62ae8e2cbe75.Medium.gif" alt="" />so hopefully no one has nodded off. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/7/d6a7ffaf-8bf7-4800-a74f-ecb44d916107.Medium.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/1/bf42a04c-b0ac-4f49-81ed-fbff2f8afb07.Medium.gif" alt="" />Wonder what will be revealed tomorrow? I cannot wait for tomorrow's releases. Mercury you are giving up your secrets, Mercury no longer the so elusive planet.Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 7, 2008

I still have my book of images from Mariner 10. A hundred pages of the first view.How much we have learned in the last year ,and will in the next 5. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Oct 7, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I still have my book of images from Mariner 10. A hundred pages of the first view.How much we have learned in the last year ,and will in the next 5. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Hi Wayne, is that book still in print? Can I have the ISBN please. I really hope that an atlas will be published soon with both Mariner 10 & MESSENGER imagery. We have reached that point now, that such a publication could be made. Andrew Brown.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

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