Movie- Mission to Mars

[MeteorWayne]

This interesting movie about life on Mars is on the USA network right now (USA East). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bdewoody]

I liked this movie. Except maybe for the end. It made me wonder if maybe we haven't already "contaminated" Mars with all the landers and rovers. Isn't it possible that some microbes hitched a ride to the red planet? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

What didn't you like about the end (which I'm watching right now?) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bdewoody]

I thought using the abandoned Soviet lander's ascent stage was a little too far fetched. Saying that I guess I'm saying the rest of the tech was believeable?????? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Ahh, you have it confused with another movie, Red Planet.<br />Pretty good, but nowhere near (to me) as interesting as Mission to Mars. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[bdewoody]

OK, you are right. Mission to Mars is about the face on Mars that turns out to be a structure and one of the astronauts gets to go be with the Martians. I get the two mixed up.<br /><br />I liked the movie, as a matter of fact I liked both of the movies (Red Planet) but like was mentioned in the other thread I hope we will have better fail-safe devices on a Mars mission that would prevent a micro-meteor strike from dooming the mission. If it's really that dangerous maybe we ought to stay home. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[qso1]

bdewoody:<br />Isn't it possible that some microbes hitched a ride to the red planet?<br /><br />Me:<br />It is possible despite precautions taken for the Viking missions. Pathfinder and the MERs were not sterilized to the extent the Vikings were. And one reason that sterilization was incorporated into the Viking craft pre-launch preps was Surveyor 3. Launched in April 1967, Surveyor 3 was investigated in November 1969 by the crew of Apollo 12. It was later discovered that bacteria survived on the craft despite 2.5 years of exposure on the moon.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_3<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-contamination <br /><br />I guess our best hope is that if we finally land craft on mars to investigate for life, that we land far enough away from the other sites to virtually guarantee that if we find anything, it won't be of earthly origin. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I guess our best hope is that if we finally land craft on mars to investigate for life, that we land far enough away from the other sites to virtually guarantee that if we find anything, it won't be of earthly origin.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I can see it now........Those that say there is no life out there will just say "It was just contanimated by our previous probes!!! Those microbes were originally on Earth!!! There is NO life out there that didnt orginate from Earth!!!"<br /><br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />And no i'm not talking excluseively about Stevehw33 <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" />. I'm saying this for the simple fact that many here know that I am always busting his chops about life in our solar system. Even tho its not directly directed at him he did come to mind when I say that quote I just gave ya from qso1. I do realize that there are others out there besides Steve that thinks the way Steve does. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

Kalstang:<br />Those that say there is no life out there will just say "It was just contanimated by our previous probes!!!<br /><br />Me:<br />That would probably happen anyway regardless of anticontamination procedures simply because nothings 100% perfect.<br /><br />The other best hope is that we can clearly identify a potential martian microbe from known earthly microbes and establish with at least 99% certainty that this hypothetical second genesis has occured.<br /><br />From strictly a scientific viewpoint, the only way to be sure about a second genesis on mars is to have the kind of skepticism put forth by the stevehw33s and others who essentially want undeniable proof of a second genesis. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[oscar1]

A second Genesis or no, if microbes are found on Mars, at least panspermia would have been proven.

 

[qso1]

I wouldn't quite say that panspermia would be proven because the hypothetical microbes on mars could have originated on mars. The best way to prove panspermia is to find microbiological activity on a passing comet or asteroid.<br /><br />Of course, if your referring to microbes getting to mars by way of earthly spacecraft as panspermia then that could be seen as a demonstration of panspermia at work. But it would be panspermia as a result of human activity rather than naturally caused. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[oscar1]

This is an interesting question, but should be in a seperate thread I think. I just started a thread on it.

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>From strictly a scientific viewpoint, the only way to be sure about a second genesis on mars is to have the kind of skepticism put forth by the stevehw33s and others who essentially want undeniable proof of a second genesis.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Oh I agree completely. The way that steve thinks is needed. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>That would probably happen anyway regardless of anticontamination procedures simply because nothings 100% perfect.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />True. But annoying. But then I guess not all truth is likeable huh <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[green_meklar]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I can see it now........Those that say there is no life out there will just say "It was just contanimated by our previous probes!!! Those microbes were originally on Earth!!! There is NO life out there that didnt orginate from Earth!!!"<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />That will depend on the observations of the nature of that life. With the right data, it would be quite easy to tell whether it was contamination or some actual native life forms.<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I wouldn't quite say that panspermia would be proven because the hypothetical microbes on mars could have originated on mars.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Exactly.<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The best way to prove panspermia is to find microbiological activity on a passing comet or asteroid.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Well, an even more conclusive proof than that would be finding life forms on two different objects that are way too similar to have evolved separately. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>________________</p><p>Repent! Repent! The technological singularity is coming!</p> </div>

 

[qso1]

green_meklar:<br />I can see it now........Those that say there is no life out there will just say...<br /><br />Me:<br />That was Kalstangs comment but hes right in that some folks are going to want to be able to prove without question that if life is found on mars, that it is indeed of martian origin.<br /><br />green_meklar:<br />That will depend on the observations of the nature of that life.<br /><br />Me:<br />This is where I think we can determine pretty accurately, the life that may be found on mars. If found, it should be different enough from the known life forms on earth to be able to tell its of martian origin. It might take months, perhaps a few years to be sure but its possible to do I would think.<br /><br />At this point however, were way off topic for this thread and should address these topics in the thread that Oscar1 started. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Argh! My eyes! Mission to Mars was about the worst movie about Mars I have every seen! Even "Ghosts of Mars" wasn't as bad!<br /><br />To explore the many reasons would be better done on another thread. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[thebigcat]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Well, an even more conclusive proof than that would be finding life forms on two different objects that are way too similar to have evolved separately. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />And then irrefutably disprove the theory of parallel development. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>