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Well she borked the Woo-meter ! Let's see the count :SteveCNC":10pjeoz7 said:
There's a line from Forbidden Planet that comes to mind...something along the lines of "that's OK, you don't have to be a genius to be a commander, just have a good loud voice"bmk1245":3c48qyyr said:Credentials without substantiation of the claims worth little to nothing. Former general stated his opinion. As well, as I offered my opinion, only, nothing more.ILUVSPACCE":3c48qyyr said:I can't say I know anything about this former general but his opinion should give some credence to the other possibility.
a_lost_packet_":izoy57fm said:Wow.. She's AMAZING!
How can one person be so filled with Woo? Surely, she is at the Woo Singularity!
On Nov 8, the US will asspload due to dirty bombs and Pleidians and something and some war and something.. woo'ish.. And Sons of Satan, SS, Secret Service and the Pope... and the aliens ate all the victims of the Sumatran Tsunami.
HOW DID WE MISS HER ALL THESE YEARS!
And how often do helicopters - if at all - go that high?... Contrails only form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40 degrees C) ...
Too me it looks to be going to slow to be a missile (and I've seen quite a few). But it's hard to say for sure because I can't get a solid sense of scale from the video. The smoke trail left behind is too big to be one from an SM2 and that's what the Navy has to shoot up that high.Smersh":11oroqpe said:Look at the way it's ascending and in my opinion going a little too fast to be a contrail. And even though it was filmed from a helicopter, the helicopter would have to be at an altitude of some 25,000 ft minimum to film it at that sort of angle if it was a contrail wouldn't it? Because that is the minimum altitude at which contrails can normally form.
And yes, I've studied the website here that tries to make a case for it being a contrail, but to me none of the photos and examples given there closely match what we have here in this video. So although Mr Occam tells me it can't be a missile, I'm now going with the guy from Janes and all the other experts who say that that is what it is.
That's what I thought at first but looking at them again I would say it isn't like those at all. Those contrail pictures are of aircraft coming towards the camera, which is why they appear at the angle they do but the object in the video appears very much to me like it's going away from the camera.Mee_n_Mac":2utbey8c said:... I'd say it looks a lot like the contrails on the aforementioned website ...
To be able to film a contrail at that angle which appears to me to be going away from the camera, because contrails can only form at high altitude.Mee_n_Mac":2utbey8c said:... What makes you say the 'copter had to be at 25kft ? ...
So it would seem that we need to first determine whether the trail leads towards or away from the camera. Where was the Sun in relation to the trail ? One side was illuminated, one was in shadow. I recall someone said the trail left a shadow on a nearby cloud. If true we should be able to answer the question of direction.Smersh":3bsmn81m said:That's what I thought at first but looking at them again I would say it isn't like those at all. Those contrail pictures are of aircraft coming towards the camera, which is why they appear at the angle they do but the object in the video appears very much to me like it's going away from the camera.Mee_n_Mac":3bsmn81m said:... I'd say it looks a lot like the contrails on the aforementioned website ...
To be able to film a contrail at that angle which appears to me to be going away from the camera, because contrails can only form at high altitude.Mee_n_Mac":3bsmn81m said:... What makes you say the 'copter had to be at 25kft ? ...
If this was a contrail, I think it would have disappeared off the news by now, but it is being very persistent indeed and has a lot of people debating it. The editor of Janes Missiles and Rockets says it's a missile. A former US Deputy Defence Secretary says its a missile. The Pentagon even eventually bothered to issue a statement saying it's a contrail, but would they normally even make any statement at all if it had disappeared of the news programmes after a day or two?
Dangit! If you're going to install three-phase hookups, at least have the decency to warn me first!adrenalynn":1t9gzekv said:I'm in the same place, but coming down on the other side. I think we're out of phase with one another.
Yes I understand what you're saying Wayne, and the possibility that optical illusions can play a part here, but the object in the video has a trail of what looks like smoke that is fatter at the start of the footage than it is at the end! The optical illusion factor is in my opinion the main reason why this story has generated so much debate in the media and on the net.MeteorWayne":10prkjcq said:Smersh, the reason you "think" it's moving away is because of the way the human eye-brain system is designed and works. We naturally assume "big" is close, and "small" is further away. But if the wide contrail (where it has spread out) is 20 miles away, of course the newer, closer origination point of the contrail would be smaller. It's just not the way we nomally interpret things.
As far as the helecopter at 25 K, another optical illusion caused by a highly zoomed :long" lens. They cause perceptual distortions as well. Ever watch a NASCAR or horse race when they have a shot looking at the whole field as the head toward you? They look like they are right on top of each other, yet an overhead shot shows tens of meters between them ...
(The site is subscription only so unless you reach for your credit card you can't read the actual article.)US Navy tests new warhead for Tomahawk Block IV missile
The US Navy (USN) has completed the first live test of the new Joint Multi-Effects Warhead System (JMEWS) for the Tomahawk Block IV tactical ...
The dates of the reported missile sighting and the date of the test reported in Janes are about a week apart, but is it possible there could be a clue here somewhere? Ongoing tests or whatever? I believe the US Navy were quite quick in denying it was anything to do with them. Also the Pentagon did issue a statement saying it was a contrail, so it does seem they were quite sensitive about a mere speculative media report that was getting an awful lot of attention ...keeper96":10prkjcq said:I know a couple of guys who work for the Army missile command who are TDY this week on the west coast for a missile test. it was probably them. They are at Point Mugu Air Station, the Naval Air Warfare Center. Probably why no one is willing to share any info. all the details surround the event would be classified.