mystery rock

[jatslo]

Unless there is a crack; the sun could heat the water and force the gas/vapor out a crack; I guess shaking the water out would not prove this hypothesis though. That is why I stated vigorous shaking. Quartz is made under pressure and heat, and lots of both; of course you already know that though. None of this explains how the water got there in the first place though; there is just to much water to state geology is the culprit. Seems more like erosion effects to me, but how?

 

[kellygirl29]

Ha Ha, you guys are way over my head with all of this talking on heating and condensing of the fluid in inclusions. Way over my head! But anyway, IVe posted one more picture of it with the gas bubble circled so you can see how big it is. I,ll get back with you on the scratch test soon.

 

[kellygirl29]

Hey steve, Its like I told you on the other sight. /* deleted */ You have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you know what I have done or what I have not done. Like I tod you before. Keep your lame opions to yourself, because they are not wanted here. Shew fly, Shew! For the rest of you, I have sent the piece to Virginia Tech and will let you know the results.

 

[dgm1]

Steveh33, while lacking in tact probably has hit on a nugget of truth in his assessment. <br /> I am glad to hear that you are getting it identified. I hope you post the results here. My bet is that it is not quartz although that is an amateurs opinion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

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[kellygirl29]

steve, Ive got this posted on one other site. There is nothing wrong about me trying to get opinions about my unusual rock. I am not a scientsist, geologist , or anything else other than a stripper who lives in a small town who happened to find a very strange and unusual rock in some plowed up ground. I dropped out of high school and got my G.E.D. I have an IQ of 130 and reek of ADHD. I didnt do the scratch test on my own at first because I didnt even know what it was until silyene first told me. And still then I didnt understand really what I was suppose to do. I dont want to take the chance of breaking it by boiling or freezing it because I dont think Its man made, and I think I have something. If I dont then so be it. Its still cool to me. So back off!

 

[kellygirl29]

By the way steve, If you had read everything wrote on this post, you would have seen that it is not sharp like glass. It has been chipped, and feels plasticy. but its not because it will not melt. PERIOD.

 

[JonClarke]

Steve<br /><br />Do you have to be so rude and mean? Kellygirl is rightly excited over what she has found and kind enough to share it with us. Whether or not be agrees with our ideas and suggestions is irrelevant.<br /><br />An apology is called for.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[silylene old]

Well I think it is exciting. I remember when I was a boy and my friend found an iron meteorite in an excavation (as I discussed in the other forum). That was exciting!<br /><br />Kelly, I hope you stick around in this board, and maybe read and participate in a few other threads. We do have a lot of fun discussing science and life and politics (in the right forums). Most of the people active here are not scientists. Rather I think everyone on this forum has one thing in common: intense curiosity. And you do seem curious.<br /><br />**<br />Have you looked around in the spot you found that unusual stone? Maybe bring a shovel. Who knows, you might find more examples. I sure would look around in that location some more. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

I think kellygirl29 has done exactly the right thing -- she doesn't know what the rock is, so she's asking about it. Maybe it's glass, maybe it's not. In the meantime, I think it behooves us all to give her a chance -- and to give her credit for having an inquisitive mind.<br /><br />However, kellygirl, do try to avoid calling people names. Some people will question you, and sometimes they will be very undiplomatic about it, but that's just one of those things that happens in life. Take the high road. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> It is stevehw33's opinion that it's glass, and he suspects you already know what it is. He's entitled to that opinion, for better or worse. But no one has to agree with him, and one of the great things about a place like this is that people will reach their own opinions based on careful thought as to the merits of the arguments. That means you don't have to worry so much about negative insinuations; the majority of users will ignore them as irrelevant to the argument. So don't stoop low and call him a name in return. Just say, as you did, that he's wrong. If he chooses not to believe you, well, there's not really anything that can be done about that. What I do in those situations is just to walk away from the person. It's not worth the grief. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

Ummm....actually Steve quartz with a cryptocrystalline structure, flint and chert for example, can possess edges 5 times sharper than stainless steel surgical instruments. <br /> This is not flint or chert but I thought you might want to know that before further commenting on the subject. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

I crush quartz into powder to pan the concentrates, and I get sharp pieces, yes, but there is a distinct difference. Glass tends to form little shards or slivers that permeate your skins, and quartz does not.

 

[jatslo]

I have never been cut by quartz shards

 

[jatslo]

I hope she comes back, shares the result of her specimen, and sheds some light about her occupation; PICS. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[JonClarke]

"...no one here has been cut by natural quartz."<br /><br />Quartz has been widely used to make stone tools. Not as good as some other materials, but if you don' have obsidian or flint you make do with what you get. Microcrystalline quartz in the form of silcrete makes excellent tools.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

My "mistaken" belief as you say, is based on the fact that flint is a form of quartz. It's structure is refered to as cryptocrystalline (as are agates) and while your experience may lead you to believe that no one has been cut by such quartz you would be sadly mistaken. As I stated, worked edges of flint tools can be 5 times sharper than stainless steel surgical tools. I am not sure about the sharpness of glass but I imagine the point is moot.<br /> I am not saying her find is quartz. Quite the opposite actually. I claimed very early on that I thought it was cast off glass of some sort. The teardrop shape of the internal bubble means this specimen cannot be quartz. It could not form that way. The conditions needed for quartz(clear) crystals to form would not allow it.<br /> A piece of molten glass would behave in a way to precisely form the internal bubble as it appears. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Here is a nice one: I have never been cut, but they can hold an edge. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[jatslo]

I picked up a piece of glass yesterday, broken crystal, ever so gently, and I will be damned; it cut me, but my arrow heads are duller than butter knifes. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[chew_on_this]

Hey, steves a shrink, he's way more qualified to give the correct response. Shame on you for giving an alternate viewpoint.

 

[kellygirl29]

Steve, for some reason you so...rub me the wrong way. I dont like you. You remind me of Rusty Wallace.

 

[astrophoto]

Rubbin is racin'!

 

[kellygirl29]

he he

 

[dgm1]

<font color="yellow">Steve, for some reason you so...rub me the wrong way. </font><br /><br /> Perhaps that is because he is an arrogant individual who finds much more relevance and value in his own opinions than anyone else does. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">I dont like you</font><br /> <br /> I think you will find that to be the overall consensus in this forum regarding steve33. His belligerence, coupled with his inability to admit anothers point has merit, does not endear him to many. I dislike him for his ignorance above all else. He argues simply for the sake of argument with no care for the topic or his grasp of it. Typical internet wannabe scholar. They're everywhere. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

I've seen him put out some really intelligent sounding facts before related to atomic mass. Stevehw33 is a master of fallacies, philosophical logic mumbo jumbo. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> He is right about the sharpness of glass versus quartx though; does that sound like middle ground?

 

[dgm1]

I am tryin to figure out how it got to the point that I have to argue the sharpness of quartz in this thread. I do not even believe the specimen is quartz. I merely stated that quartz, in the form of flint, can be sharper than steve was allowing in his narrow comments. If he wishes to be a know-it-all I thought it might help to give him some of his missing or overlooked info. <br /> The item is mostl ikely a piece of glass. I don't care about how sharp quartz can or can't be. It is irrelevent. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>