New improved titan landing picture?

[JonClarke]

Did you mean spectroscopic or stereoscopic?<br /><br />Jon<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[alexiton]

Hi, still pottering around for anyone interested. <br /><br />http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/alexiton/index.htm<br /><br />Cheerio<br />

 

[alexiton]

howdy, still mucking about for anyone interested. <br /><br />http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/alexiton/oddly%20interconnected%20II.htm<br /><br />http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/alexiton/simulated%20abiogenesis.htm <br /><br />Cheerio

 

[alexiton]

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[qso1]

<p><font color="#800080">NASA engineers think the earth is the center of our solar system and don't consider earth's velocity. Posted by tempel1</font></p><p>That must be what it is. All NASA engineers must answer a question on a test that asks if they think earth is the center of the solar system.</p><p>Gimme a break! While your at it, how bout doin the math. Even with the addition of earths approximate 66,000 mph velocity around the sun, (Which NASA engineers do factor in BTW) you still won't get much better than several years transit time.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

<p><font color="#800080">Maybe it's just me, but why can't NASA put a better camera on their probes? Every single picture is always gonna be rough and grainy in visual detail. Who makes their cameras anyway? Posted by pioneer0333</font></p><p>Keep in mind several factors. The camera was already at least a decade old when it arrived at Saturn. It had to be designed to withstand the environs of space all that time. Had to be light enough to be launched and sent to Saturn/Titan. The Hygens probe imaging system actually produced excellent shots considering actual lighting levels likely to be found on Titan. But finally, and most importantly, cost.</p><p>The camera is competing with scientific experiments and compromises are made during development of these probes to get the most bang for the limited NASA buck.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

<p><font color="#800080">Hi guys nice to greet you. I'm a newbie, and I've been pottering around with Huygen's descent shots recently trying to make sense of things, and thought I'd submit some for perusal which alters perception of landing site somewhat: Posted by alexiton</font></p><p>Its very difficult to further process images taken under poor lighting conditions and a preliminary visit to your site suggested to me you were dissatisfied with the current level of investigation of possible life at Titan.</p><p>Unfortunately, this is also a reflection of the current level of technology we are able to send to Titan and I'm sure there are those in the scientific community who are anxious to send advanced probes to help answer the question of whether Titan harbors life? Or whether it simply has the right combination of chemistry to make life possible.</p><p>There was an article the other day on competing ideas for sending probes either to Jupiters moons (Europa and Ganymede, maybe a couple others) or Saturns moons (Titan and Enceladus) to further study the question of life. They are called Laplace and Tandem.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[duck_theory]

The majority of people will never be satisfied by the great research and preparation scientists go through for the missions. They want a tabloid page one photo of a gremlin. They complain about 'grainy photos' at the same time as complaining about apparently clear photos from the Moon. You just can't satisfy people that have little to no clue what researchers have to go through to get the data. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-style:italic" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="color:#c0c0c0" class="Apple-style-span">It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.</span></span> </div>

 

[pyoko]

<p>This is pyoko and I'm back on my original account. I used duck_theory but decided to go back to my old one. This is probably the wrong place to announce this, but might as well do it by replying to myself.</p><p>pyoko the duck&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color:#ff9900" class="Apple-style-span">-pyoko</span> <span style="color:#333333" class="Apple-style-span">the</span> <span style="color:#339966" class="Apple-style-span">duck </span></p><p><span style="color:#339966" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="color:#808080;font-style:italic" class="Apple-style-span">It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.</span></span></p> </div>

 

[alexiton]

<div>Howdy duck_theory and qso1,<br /><br /></div><div>&nbsp;duck_theory I hope you don't perceive me as unsatisfied as on my main page I sincerely express my gratitude to NASA and ESA for their awesomeness. Also personally I have no issues with scientific orthodoxies and invite deserved skepticism as I claim nothing that merits one iota of empirical respect.<br /><br /></div><div>&nbsp;Qso1 although ambient lightning conditions are 10000 fold less than earth norms from what I understand the ~10 millesecond exposure times(DISR) provide adequate signal to noise. Regarding futher processing beyond the normal processes of correction (flat fielding, dark field, artifact removal, photometric modeling, geometric/dct correction etc etc). The products of such processes are not the point of my site albiet I do these things too even though mightn't be apparent lol(site pictures aren't scientific and is a disclaimer in&nbsp; the preamble).<br /><br /><br /></div><div>&nbsp;Forgive me but for various reasons I decided to be intentionally leftfield regarding my site's content. For clarification though, my primary perspective is really motivated by physical necessity(in principle) of non-biological selection/variation cycles via various thermocyclic processes (hence puter simulations of abstracted molecular substrate interactions). It's not about pawning off some CCD artifact as a cryo sentient hyper slug from a parallel quasi dimension&nbsp;on dark side&nbsp;of Titan&nbsp;- note half captions are tongue in cheek. There are actually mathematical reasons for SOME my delusions...<br /><br /><br /></div><div>&nbsp;But that being said, the non obvious rational synthesis of variously disconnected aspects of Titan (reflection spectrums,acelerometry, Arecibco specular components, schumann resonances, huygens spin reversal and others, aspects of cosmic ray induced ionsphere, some voyager thingy etc) I'm coyly working through step by step is likely a recipe for&nbsp;rank scientific ignominy in the future lol...<br /><br /></div><div>Cheerio.&nbsp; </div>

 

[pyoko]

<p>Alexiton: I didn't mean you. I meant that I see it a lot (especially on other forums I am on). And I hear it even more from people that don't even go to forums and complain about how 'crappy the images are'.</p><p>My point is: it's very hard to impress the average Joe with real images; only a gremlin on Mars will impress them.</p><p>&nbsp;-pyoko the duck (not gremlin)&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color:#ff9900" class="Apple-style-span">-pyoko</span> <span style="color:#333333" class="Apple-style-span">the</span> <span style="color:#339966" class="Apple-style-span">duck </span></p><p><span style="color:#339966" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="color:#808080;font-style:italic" class="Apple-style-span">It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.</span></span></p> </div>

 

[alexiton]

<div>sorry about that piece of incompetence</div>

 

[Ricardo_Savino]

<p>I reeeally missed your point here!</p><p>I&nbsp;don&acute;t&nbsp;if&nbsp;it&nbsp;was&nbsp;my&nbsp;english&nbsp;but&nbsp;when&nbsp;I&nbsp;read&nbsp;your&nbsp;points&nbsp;it&nbsp;look&nbsp;to&nbsp;me&nbsp;a&nbsp;lot&nbsp;of&nbsp;complex&nbsp;words&nbsp;displayed&nbsp;randomly&nbsp;to&nbsp;form&nbsp;some&nbsp;&nbsp;scientific-like sentece. Some arguments simply doesnt have any sense like:<strong> general thermodynamic pre-Darwinian selection mechanisms; completely non-analogous, self organizing, high energy photochemical tholin/particulate atmospheric cycle!</strong></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I&nbsp;don&acute;t&nbsp;wanna&nbsp;be&nbsp;rude,&nbsp;but&nbsp;it&nbsp;seems&nbsp;to&nbsp;be&nbsp;kind&nbsp;senseless&nbsp;to&nbsp;me,&nbsp;can&nbsp;you&nbsp;be&nbsp;more&nbsp;especific&nbsp;please?&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#ff0000"><font size="3">Look up and feel small!</font></font></strong> </div>

 

[qso1]

<p><font color="#800080">Howdy duck_theory and qso1,&nbsp;duck_theory I hope you don't perceive me as unsatisfied as on my main page I sincerely express my gratitude to NASA and ESA for their awesomeness. Also personally I have no issues with scientific orthodoxies and invite deserved skepticism as I claim nothing that merits one iota of empirical respect.&nbsp;Qso1 although ambient lightning conditions are 10000 fold less than earth norms from what I understand the ~10 millesecond exposure times(DISR) provide adequate signal to noise.</font></p><p>No problem and I agree that the signal to noise ratio of the image was pretty good, or actually very good considering the lighting available at Titan.&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#800080"> Regarding futher processing beyond the normal processes of correction (flat fielding, dark field, artifact removal, photometric modeling, geometric/dct correction etc etc). The products of such processes are not the point of my site albiet I do these things too even though mightn't be apparent lol(site pictures aren't scientific and is a disclaimer in&nbsp; the preamble).&nbsp;Forgive me but for various reasons I decided to be intentionally leftfield regarding my site's content.</font></p><p>Thats cool, and it is your site.&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#800080">For clarification though, my primary perspective is really motivated by physical necessity(in principle) of non-biological selection/variation cycles via various thermocyclic processes (hence puter simulations of abstracted molecular substrate interactions). It's not about pawning off some CCD artifact as a cryo sentient hyper slug from a parallel quasi dimension&nbsp;on dark side&nbsp;of Titan&nbsp;- note half captions are tongue in cheek. There are actually mathematical reasons for SOME my delusions...&nbsp;But that being said, the non obvious rational synthesis of variously disconnected aspects of Titan (reflection spectrums,acelerometry, Arecibco specular components, schumann resonances, huygens spin reversal and others, aspects of cosmic ray induced ionsphere, some voyager thingy etc) I'm coyly working through step by step is likely a recipe for&nbsp;rank scientific ignominy in the future lol...Cheerio. Posted by alexiton</font></p><p>Cheerio.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[origin]

<p><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff">A</font>lexiton, </font><font color="#000000">the art of communication is the art of conveying ideas.&nbsp; Your excessive use of the thesaurus function only leads to greater difficulty in understanding your point, it does not make you seem more intelligent or educated.</font></p><p>The bottom line is that it is the concept&nbsp;or idea that is&nbsp;important and if language used makes the point more difficult to understand then the language is deficient.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Alexiton, the art of communication is the art of conveying ideas.&nbsp; Your excessive use of the thesaurus function only leads to greater difficulty in understanding your point, it does not make you seem more intelligent or educated.The bottom line is that it is the concept&nbsp;or idea that is&nbsp;important and if language used makes the point more difficult to understand then the language is deficient.&nbsp; <br />Posted by origin</DIV><br /><br />Wow, rough crowd.&nbsp; Reading this thread made me feel as if I played the first line in a hockey game.&nbsp;&nbsp; Battered and bruised, and the thread had absolutely nothing to do with me.</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Wow, rough crowd.&nbsp; Reading this thread made me feel as if I played the first line in a hockey game.&nbsp;&nbsp; Battered and bruised, and the thread had absolutely nothing to do with me. <br />Posted by bearack</DIV><br /><br /><font size="2">I guess I was a little blunt, but come on, I know I am not that stupid, and I can hardly follow what the guy is saying.&nbsp; There is no need to obfuscate point with all the polysyllabic terminology, it is a waste of time....</font></p><p><em>edited to fix some wierd font thing.</em></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[alexiton]

<div>Howdy origin,</div><div>never used a theasaurus sounds like fun. Yup is no doubt I stink when comes to written/verbal expression but is definitely no pretentious intent. Unfortunately due to childhood desire not to repeat myself(seriously), my brain is now hardwired so that I don't even notice such things. Curiously, although my english teachers constantly noted on it in a somewhat negative manner, my statistics teacher percieved as an utter virtue and requested I tutor her lol. Anyways out of interest, can you give an example of what I wrote translated into something more in tune with your standards of comprehensibility?</div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Anyways out of interest, can you give an example of what I wrote translated into something more in tune with your standards of comprehensibility? <br />Posted by alexiton</DIV><br /><br />How about:</p><p>Could you change something I wrote so that it is easier to understand?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Also personally I have no issues with scientific orthodoxies and invite deserved skepticism as I claim nothing that merits one iota of empirical respect.</DIV></p><p>You could have said, "I might be wrong".&nbsp; </p><p>Actually this is terrible english,&nbsp;WTF is 'empirical respect'.&nbsp; Rearranging your words in a sentence that&nbsp;makes sense:</p><p>I&nbsp;deserve the skepticism that I have received.&nbsp;&nbsp;Nothing that I have claimed merits one iota of respect because I have no empirical evidence for&nbsp;it.&nbsp; </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>For clarification though, my primary perspective is really motivated by physical necessity(in principle) of non-biological selection/variation cycles via various thermocyclic processes (hence puter simulations of abstracted molecular substrate interactions). </DIV><br /><br />I have no idea what this string of words is suppose to mean.&nbsp; Could you rephrase this, I am somewhat curious what this is suppose to mean.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[alexiton]

<div>&nbsp;lol admittedly that's nice and snappy, but being slightly anal it doesn't convey my motivations or imply that my post is ending.<br />&nbsp;</div>

 

[alexiton]

<div>Me again&nbsp;origin,</div><div><br />&nbsp;</div><div>Yeah On review it all does sound bit screwy lol but I already admitted incompetence in that regard.</div><div><br /><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You could have said, "I might be wrong".&nbsp; </DIV></div><div>given I never professed to be right in any sense probably&nbsp;pointless to say "I might be wrong" lol </div><div><br /><br />Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Actually this is terrible english,&nbsp;WTF is 'empirical respect'</DIV></div><div><br />empirical respect=respect of the empirical methods <br /></div><div>Certainly from an empiricist's point of view my methods deserve scant respect&nbsp; but to say:</div><div><br />&nbsp;</div><div>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have no empirical evidence for it&nbsp;</DIV><br /><br /></div><div>would be more delusional than my current state of delusion lol</div><div><br />Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...I have no idea what this string of words is suppose to mean.&nbsp; Could you rephrase this, I am somewhat curious what this is suppose to mean.&nbsp; <br />Posted by origin</DIV><br /><br /></div><div>If the results of the various computer simulations I have conducted&nbsp;are any indication,</div><div>the possibility of abiotic evolution via some very basic uber general physical cycles of selection over variation is a dead cert...<br /><br /></div><div>Cheerio origin</div>

 

[centsworth_II]

<p>Just to let you guys know, I've told on you in the "Move This Thread" thread in the User Talkback forum.</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just to let you guys know, I've told on you in the "Move This Thread" thread in the User Talkback forum. <br />Posted by centsworth_II</DIV><br /><br />Tattle tell!</p><p>LOL, i'm actually getting a kick out of the vernacular debate at hand <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[Swampcat]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Tattle tell!LOL, i'm actually getting a kick out of the vernacular debate at hand <br />Posted by bearack</DIV><br /><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></p><p>Yeah, I'm kinda enjoying it too.</p><p>Speaking of...</p><p>I don't find that the polysyllabic terminology obfuscates. However, the syntax is problematic and requires&nbsp;excessive&nbsp;cogitation to&nbsp;comprehend.</p><p>But then that's true of many scientific abstracts and this <strong><em>is</em></strong> a science board...isn't it? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif" border="0" alt="Undecided" title="Undecided" /></p><p>I don't see any point in dummying down the language used here to the 8th grade level or whatever, but I understand origin's point. The purpose of language is to communicate.&nbsp;The&nbsp;intended audience is an important parameter when choosing words and formulating syntax. If you&nbsp;believe that&nbsp;the intended audience will understand you then you are probably doing the right thing. Otherwise, check that thesaurus for some simpler words...and work on your syntax <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />&nbsp;.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>