New Information on Bigelow's Genesis 2

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Boris_Badenov

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Monday, March 05, 2007<br />Information on Bigelow's Genesis 2 <br />Bigelow Aerospace has an article, showing the differences in the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Genesis 1 is currently orbiting the Earth and the Genesis 2 is set to be launched in April. <br /><br />To Summarize:<br /><br /><br /><br />Improvements on the materials used in the construction of the inflatable modules<br />Upgrades in the control and sensory equipment (so better pictures?)<br />Tripled data rates (with Alaska and Hawaii ground sites) with a comm window of 5 hours/day<br /><br />Increased communications results in better vision systems (so better pictures?) plus outside cameras showing a better view of the module in space<br />Additional pressure, temperature, attitude control and radiation detection sensors<br />Multi-tank inflation system<br />More refined pointing control and a faster dampening of the initial tip-off rate or body rotation from rocket separation<br /><br /><br />Space Pragmatism <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
 
 
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docm

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Bigelow announcement....<br /><br />Bigelow strikes me as one who not only talks the talk but walks the walk in a determined manner. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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spacester

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Nice! Thanks!<br /><br />Also see the new BioBox, developed in 9 months (?).<br /><br />Ants and Roaches and Scorpions, yeah! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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rybanis

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I dub this Sweet News (tm).<br /><br />I loved their external camera shots from Genesis 1. So damn cool. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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dreada5

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Bigelow is cool, but that website is pretty unusual, if not odd!<br /><br />Can never seem to find any outline of his whole vision/plan, milestones, schematics etc.<br /><br />Whats the difference in size between the Genesis I and II?<br /><br />What are his target dates for launching man-rated modules and what's their relative size?<br /><br />There doesn't seem to be any scale-up info anywhere!
 
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dreada5

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Thanks for that. Good read!<br /><br />Yes that Wikipedia's Bigelow page really needs updating! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
 
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holmec

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Sweet!<br /><br />I wonder if the Genesis modules are more durable in micro meteors strikes than say ISS modules. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>
 
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docm

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Bigelow has stated that the Genesis I has suffered less impact damage than expected, yet they have added several new layers to Genesis II. Sounds like they're making sure they're tough enough. <br /><br />He also stated in the Cosmic Log interview that they plan on covering the moon base with regolith, which would offer very serious protection.<br /><br />Personally I can't wait for their April 10 presentation. Based on what's been leaked just in the last few weeks the main info must be really something to meet the "coffee spitting" level he mentioned. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Boris_Badenov

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Bigelow Aerospace: Genesis II Different From Genesis I <br />By Eric Haakonstad<br />Program Manager<br />Bigelow Aerospace<br /><br />The successful development of Genesis I has brought forth the creation of Genesis II.<br /><br />Since our first launch, we have been able to learn and grow from the information we compiled from our orbiting vehicle — expanding our knowledge to improve upon our new creation. We have been able to use and improve upon many of the materials and systems found on Genesis I and incorporate them into the construction of Genesis II, resulting in a similar, yet improved vehicle. With upgrades to vehicle control and sensory equipment, we are able to improve our interaction with the public. These new upgrades contribute to our ultimate goal: the evolution of product development for a pathway to manned missions.<br /><br />Since the launch of Genesis I, we have tripled our high-data-rate communication coverage for our vehicles by expanding beyond our original Las Vegas and Virginia sites and constructing ground station sites in Alaska and Hawaii. The launch of Genesis II requires Bigelow Aerospace to coordinate multi-vehicle simultaneous operations. With the increase in ground stations and orbiting vehicles, we will be able to communicate with Genesis I and II up to five hours per day. We hope this will enhance our monitoring of Genesis II during the critical initial acquisition phase. These preliminary constellation operations present new challenges in prioritizing resources for data links, command and control and processing of vehicle data. New domestic and international communication sites are planned for the coming year.<br /><br />The vision system aboard Genesis II is one example of how we hope to be able to utilize our enhanced communication capabilities. The vision system contains marked improvement in design over the system in Genesis I. Considerable e <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
 
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rocketman5000

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I would just like to state that April 10th is my birthday...<br /><br /><br />Happy birthday to me!!!
 
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docm

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And I wish you an early Happy Birth Day, along with the wish that Bigelow makes it even happier <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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MeteorWayne

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Very nice, thanx!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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docm

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Bigelows will be bigger <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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brellis

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<font color="yellow">I would just like to state that April 10th is my birthday... </font><br /><br />Mine, too. April 10, 1963<br /><br />Happy b-day 2x! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#ff0000"><em><strong>I'm a recovering optimist - things could be better.</strong></em></font> </p> </div>
 
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holmec

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very nice. I didn't know that they actually had a prototype. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>
 
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<font color="yellow">"Have you guys seen this?"</font><br /><br />Yeah, I saw it. It's good that NASA thinks enough of inflatables to actually build a prototype. It would be interesting to see the differences between the ILC Dover and Bigelow versions.<br /><br />I don't know if Bigelow has yet to produce a surface version, but of course he has actually flight tested his orbital version while NASA's prototype is sitting on the ground at Langley <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>
 
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hk8900

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Accoeding to the official Russian Space Agency website<br /><br />Genesis-2<br />Launch vehicle: RS-20<br />Launch site: Dombarovsky<br />Craft delivery: 25.03.07<br />Preparations start: 26.03.07<br />Liftoff: 26.04.07<br />so, only 2 weeks away from delivery of Genesis 2 to Russia
 
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docm

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<font color="yellow">swampcat said: I don't know if Bigelow has yet to produce a surface version,</font><br /><br />If my reading of the Cosmic Log interview with Bigelow is correct the inflatable portion of his moon base uses one or more standard BA-330's mounted to a descent platform which includes engines, support gear, consumables etc.<br /><br />Why re-invent the wheel if the old one can be adapted? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Swampcat

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<font color="yellow">"If my reading of the Cosmic Log interview with Bigelow is correct the inflatable portion of his moon base uses one or more standard BA-330's mounted to a descent platform which includes engines, support gear, consumables etc."</font><br /><br />There are, of course, pictures of the BA-330 prototype, but I've only seen an orbital version. Are there any pictures of a BA-330 in a surface configuration?<br /><br />I read the Cosmic Log interview and understand that he has a very aggressive plan. It will be interesting to see how his experimental regolith-moving operation comes out later this year. Though it seems like cheating a little to use a steel mock-up for these tests, at least he's trying to think outside the box and make something happen. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="3" color="#ff9900"><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>------------------------------------------------------------------- </em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong><em>"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."</em></strong></font></p><p><font size="1" color="#993300"><strong>Thomas Jefferson</strong></font></p></font> </div>
 
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docm

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<font color="yellow">Are there any pictures of a BA-330 in a surface configuration?</font><br /><br />No official ones that I'm aware of, but the use of their steel mockup for the regolith experiment indicates little difference. If there were a wood frame (or rebar) & sheet metal form in the proper configuration would make more sense and be easy for a construction guy to arrange.<br /><br />OTOH I've been having fun toying with a few ideas in Lightwave <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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dreada5

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Bigelows will be bigger <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I was actually thinking that NASA probably is quietly waiting for Bigelow's hardware to mature, while they experiement/validate concepts etc with Dover. When 2020/2025 rolls around they'll switch to a commercially successful private operator of inflatables, aka Bigelow!
 
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dreada5

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Yeah, I saw it. It's good that NASA thinks enough of inflatables to actually build a prototype. It would be interesting to see the differences between the ILC Dover and Bigelow versions. <br /><br />I don't know if Bigelow has yet to produce a surface version, but of course he has actually flight tested his orbital version while NASA's prototype is sitting on the ground at Langley<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I seriously doubt NASA that aren't following Bigelow's activities in the hope he'll succeed. After all Bigelow's original designs came from NASA's Transhab! <br /><br />If anything, the link just shows that they're taking inflatables seriously.
 
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