Next shuttle launch delayed until "at least" March!

[shuttle_rtf]

Are you married to Marcia "If I can't use the word 'disaster' I'm not writing it' Dunn.?

 

[SpaceKiwi]

I'm sure they will be happy to ditch the 'shades' when you remove the patch over your eye.<br /><br /><br />... er, both eyes! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

Oh SRTF, are you referring to Marcia "Noguchi and Robinson have just installed a 'toolkit' on the outside of Quest" Dunn? <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[shuttle_rtf]

Yes, Marcia "Commander Collins, gripping tightly on to Discovery's Joystick, pointed the Shuttle on a course back into the atmosphere" Dunn<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><br /><br />Someone e-mail her a copy of Orbiter Sim!

 

[frodo1008]

First you state rather crudly that I am spouting C__P, and then you make a statement that sounds somewhat similer to my own. I am admittedly confused!<br /><br />Evidently, we both believe that the night restrictions should be taken off sooner than later! So why the C__P statement?

 

[SpaceKiwi]

SRTF, have you heard she's following in the tradition of <i>Jonah Lomu's Rugby</i> and <i>Madden's NFL</i> and <i>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater</i>, and releasing her own game in time for Christmas?<br /><br />It's called <i>Marcia Dunn's Reporting Fopah</i>. Bound to be hours of fun for all the family! (notetaker batteries never included) <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[shuttle_rtf]

Excellent! I hope it has a post-MMT press conference level where you get extra points for asking stupid questions! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Evidently, we both believe that the night restrictions should be taken off sooner than later! So why the C__P statement?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />frodo, I apologise to you for implying you fell within the group of posters I was commenting on. I hit 'reply' on your post only because it was the last post in the thread at that time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

No problem. I sometimes would like a better way to respond on these threads also, but I guess we will just have to put up with the present system.

 

[dragon04]

"Right, because they do not have the mental capacity to comprehin the value of the Shuttle."<br /><br />I'm paying the bills down there, slick. How DARE you belittle me. My mental capacity is just fine. I, however, am not obligated to see you get paid next week without voicing legitimate concerns about whether you SHOULD be getting paid next week.<br /><br />Directly, or indirectly, on the order of 150 million people just like me pay your wages. And your affrontery is unacceptable. The simple arrogance of that statement is unacceptable. <br /><br />Don't you DARE tell me I don't have the mental capacity to say where and how my money is spent. You may be sacred to people on this site, but you're not sacred to me. And it's your very attitude that relegates NASA and the space program in general to repeating failed history over and over.<br /><br />I have enough mental capacity to know I'm not willing to spend my money for the likes of you to insult me.<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[spacefire]

<font color="yellow">Yeah, and being English, I'm looking for a fight Might set up a "If you don't like Shuttles, you are not a nice person" thread</font><br /><br />Chris, I think you're funny so I wouldn't want to kick your limey ass <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[spacefire]

<font color="yellow">"Happy day, oh Happy Day<br />When the Shuttle's thrown away! "<br /><br />BS </font><br /><br />I'll honestly be happy about it. I feel the Shuttle is a poor design from many points of view, and I think it shouldn't fly anymore. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

Nor does hysterical 'Monday morning quarterbacking', when as far as I am aware you have no qualification to play 'football', do much to deflect from the paucity of argument you are advancing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

Lets see now. Congress just passed a bill with over $20 billion in pure pork (which is more than NASA's entire budget) and YOU are worried about your tax dollars. We are spending more than $100 billion dollars on wars on the other side of the Earth. Money that congress puts into suplemental funding so it doesn't get put into the budget, and thus doesn’t become part of the deficit. And YOU are worried about your tax dollars.<br /><br />Shuttle-guy has contributed MORE to these boards than you ever will or even can! I am MORE than delighted to pay the salary of this AMERICAN working on the AMERICAN space program, for an AMERICAN company!<br /><br />Most of us who do support NASA, the STS system, and the ISS, and have either worked on actual space projects, or like SG are actually currently working on space projects ARE far more aware of the faults and problems of these projects than you and the other pessimists of these boards will ever be! <br /><br />While the shuttle does have its problems, it is also the only thing that has kept the dreams of those of us alive who worked on such projects as Apollo. And it certainly isn't deserving of the kind of carping that people like you and spacefire continually bring up against it! <br /><br />Just for your own information, the shuttle IS going to be kept alive for at least the next five years as Mike Griffin fully intends to use elements of that program for the next space craft to take human beings into space. Elements such as the SRB's as boosters for the CXV or CEV, and other elements for the new shuttle C, for taking heavy materials into space. Systems that can and will probably be also used by the pure private interests also. But, if the shuttle IS shut down, this far less expensive option than will be no more, as the production lines for those elements of the STS system that do have such merit will then also be shut down. This would leave the far more expensive, starting from scratch approach as the only alternative

 

[dwilson]

Have you looked at how complicated things that operate in space are? I watched them replace the gyro on the ISS the other nite and it was astounding all the hookups for it and the things around it.. to include the support required to maintenence it.. the amount of information about the space program and the state of equipment to enter space, exist in space and return is infinite and unfathomable.. that is why there are teams of people to accomplish everything.. the idea that to spend money or not on the space program as if it is a pass/fail subject does not allow for the complex nature of the exploration of outer space in itself. Shuttle guy tends to skip to the chase, and show the last page of the reality the space program faces as opposed to politically explaining until you understand his perceived reality he faces and has faced. <br /><br />Have you ever heard that just looking at something and pondering it changes it. Well when all the attention was placed on the foam.. and the whole integrity of the space program had to get past that scrutiny then it changed it.. it got harder than it was supposed to be.. there are a ton more things that have to be correct to fly.. Bravo to those at NASA that continue to strive to succeed in the face of the unknown and the burden to overcome misfortune.. most of us Salute You!

 

[earth_bound_misfit]

Another excellent post Frodo! That summed up how I feel entirely. I wish I able to put my thoughts down as well as you do, hell, for me to type that out, would take an hour. <img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" /><br /><br />Now as you Dragon, I may not be an American taxpayer but I think it's awesome that NASA is doing what it is for the betterment of all mankind! I would be right behind a globally funded effort that carries on from what the U.S. space program has achieved.<br /><br />As for your horrid attack on S_G, I feel you should just sling your hook and make like a seagull <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------- </p><p>Wanna see this site looking like the old SDC uplink?</p><p>Go here to see how: <strong>SDC Eye saver </strong>  </p> </div>

 

[BReif]

Frodo, Well Said! My sentiments exactly. Thank You for expressing so eloquently what are probably the thoughts of many who peruse these boards but rarely if ever post on them, such as myself. <br /><br />I beleive it is important to keep a spirit of optimism, and to remember that Space Exploration is an investment in future generations. <br /><br />I, for one, think the US doesn't spend enough on the Space Program. Instead of 0.7% of the federal budget, I wish it were 1.5% or more. <br /><br />Perhaps we all should be writing to our representatives in Congress expressing our support for manned spaceflight, and our desire to see a return to the moon, and a human presence on mars so that the US Congress can begin to look beyond the 2006 congessional elections, and see that there is a future beyond their term of office worth investing in.<br /><br /><br />

 

[frodo1008]

Thank You, both yourself and brief. If the nay-sayers, negativists, and NASA bashers weren’t so aggressive and vicious in their attacks (I particularly do not like sarcasm) then I would not feel so compelled to write such a post. But they unfortunately are, and so I did!<br /><br />Once again Thank You!<br />

 

[josh1943]

too bad we cant get anyone in office to spark the space enthusiasim that we had in the 60s might it be that if jfk was never shot and killed that we would have never have gone to the moon.......

 

[frodo1008]

If JFK had lived it is more probable that now not only would we have gone to the moon, but have had the space program that men like Wherner von Braun (who was a friend of Knnedy's) could really have given us!<br /><br /> Besides, Kennedy unlike Johnson was intelligent enough to have seen the trap that we were getting into in Viet Nahm, and not only would we now be on the moon with colonies, and Mars with at least bases, but some 50,000 of our people might very well still be alive!

 

[drwayne]

I have come to admire Kennedy even more as I have gotten older, but I am more circumspect about his abilities to avoid the pitfalls.<br /><br />His re-election was hardly a sure thing. The trip to Dallas was part of shoring up his support in that area.<br /><br />We shall of course, never know. That is our loss.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[radarredux]

> <i><font color="yellow">If JFK had lived it is more probable that now not only would we have gone to the moon, but have had the space program that men like Wherner von Braun (who was a friend of Knnedy's) could really have given us!</font>/i><br /><br />I have read that Kennedy was only interested in the Apollo program as a means to beat the Russians in a high profile endeavor. The old "our political system can beat your political system" thing. Likewise, NASA's administrator at the time was not really in favor of it, but acknowledged that it was politically important.<br /><br />Having said that, Kennedy's speech at Rice University still sends shivers up my spine. Bush's speech announcing the VSE left me flat.<br /><br />I also think the Apollo program did more to create large numbers of scientists and engineers than any other single endeavor, and I believe our science and technology base are critical to our lifestyle and national security. I do believe JFK would have encouraged this trend through some effort. I have been very disappointed in recent Presidents' attention to creating sufficient numbers of engineers and scientists for America to maintain its technical lead.</i>

 

[drwayne]

There is a part of me that wonders whether a dead presidents charge to do something (i.e. we need to do this in his memory) is more powerful than a live ones.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[john_316]

Its sad that a March time frame is the best they can do?<br /><br />You would think they could have another tank or two ready by the end of September and try for a target date in mid or late October at the latest.<br /><br />So much for ISS completion and I dont see 5 shuttle missions a year to complete the ISS either. I don't have that much confidence in United Space Alliance to do that. <br /><br />Thats sad isnt it?<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /><br />

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>