http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?id=3940<br /><br />A fair amount of hulabaloo about them mentioning Mars again, rather than going on about the Moon like NASA.
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actually it's more logical to test the equipment designed for Mars on Earth rather than on the Moon 
<br /><br /><br />not to mention...cheaper. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
<br /><br /><br />not to mention...cheaper. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>There is a balance. The initial stuff can be designed, built, and tested on earth.<br /><br />Once we've got it working on earth. Then we can try deploying it in space to find out what breaks.<br /><br />Wash, rinse, and repeat the cycle.
Working out problems with procedures and logistics is the area that needs testing off world. Take Gemini as an example, they were mainly working out the procedures that would later be used in Apollo.<br />
ah don't worry, it will be a study and a proposal, looking (in vain) for other countries to support it. Maybe they'll try to re-fly their Mars-98 mission. Thats going to be all. <br /><br />There is a snowball's chance in hell that Russia can, afford, and is able to indepedently develop and perform a manned flight towards Mars. <br /><br />Its just huff and puff from the RSA. Getting GLONASS, ISS and Kliper up and running will need more then a fair share of the budget, and I do believe those two will be prioritized.
GLONASS and Kliper will possibly be profitable though, via liscencing for the positioning system and tourism via kilper. A mars program will not pay dividends like that.
orrey21....<br /><br />When you would go through the trouble of looking up which percentage of RSA's budget is dedicated to the ISS, and compare this the NASA's budget allocated to the ISS, you will see the stupidity of your remark.<br /><br />Kliper and GLONASS can bring in some cash, but never be profitable. It costs billions to develop and operate both, and commercial revenue is only limited, otherwise Galileo and GPS would have been privatised already.
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sorry...I will edit my post. It's too much of an ad-hominem. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
yes, because it is well known that the US might jam their own GPS satellites if it proves they are used by the enemy during an armed conflict.<br />I think GPS should be freely used by anyone, so the more satellites the merrier <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
For one thing Galileo operates on the same frequency as GPS. So each satellite improves the precision of the system. It also a big project that pumps a lot of funds in the European space industry, and gives those Ariane’s something to launch. Not to mention its important for national pride.<br /><br />And on a much more serious note its also critical for any European army. The military bandwidth of GPS is the one that’s used to target bombs and get precise coordinates. That frequency is not open to the public and can be shut down and the DOD discretion. If a European power was involved in a war that the US does not support, then it would be unlikely that they would get to use the military GPS signal. And without a precise GPS signal any information age army would have a very difficult time functioning. If any major nation wants to have a foreign policy independent of the US its going to need an army that is independent as well. And A GPS system is critical for that army.<br />
"Galileo is a militarily hostile project propelled by European anti-American nationalism"<br /><br />GPS is a military hostile project propelled by the American Empire, so the good 'ol Europeans did a better, more accurate and reliable positioning system managed by a civilian organization rather than by the military. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />and... why the hell have I to pay the US DOD, so trolls like you too orrey, everytime I use my car navigator?
Overall budget for 10 years is about $11bn.<br />$2.5bn of it is dedicated to the ISS.<br />$60mln - ISS retranslation sattelites.<br />$350mln - Kliper.<br />$500mln - unidentified Moon & Mars hardware and research.<br />$100mln - science probes (Phobos-Grunt and others).<br /><br />Glonass is a separate line in federal budget.
Thanks for the breakdown. Lets hope this time all the money indeed arrives intime and and as promised. Although I am dissapointed no money was reserved for the Parom. <br />And 350mln for the Kliper on a 10 year scale, on which the first flight was supposed to take place is a bit low as well
Indeed, and if they pull it off successfully it will be a big slap on the face for the US. Maybe that's what we need anyway... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>
> <i>And 350mln for the Kliper on a 10 year scale, on which the first flight was supposed to take place is a bit low as well</i><br /><br />Kliper is supposed to have more sources of funding. 350mln is just federal gov's share of investments.<br /><br />It wouldn't surprise me if one day Parom will become a part of the Kliper project.
With money from industry and from foreign backers it might be double that. Also, a million USD in Russia buys you a much larger knowledge base then it would here. So it should be enough to get the project done. But I think a lot of the money in the moon and mars hardware budget is going to make its way to the Clipper. <br /><br />All in all though I think its pretty good news but could always have been better.<br />
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