Origins of the Moons

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Second moon coming in 20 years? Hum maybe we should start claiming it....somebody that already to our first moon...enjoy

 

[eagledare]

Ok so I get to name our 2nd moon--I name it MOOLMAN my surname. So be it recorded.

 

[MeteorWayne]

If a new moon appears in 20 years, you can have the name.<br />As for me, I'll keep my comet. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[eagledare]

<br />Ok this will be my last post on this subject. Seeing we have no real proof where the Moon came from let me use some Biblical verses to see if we can see how the next Moon (Moolman) will come from.<br /><br />Read Genesis 2:5<br /><br />Does that look like it could have been something like Mars at the moment. Then the first rain fell in Noah's time before the flood. If there were any large seas at that time it would have rained before.<br /><br />Read Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.<br /> Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.<br /> Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.<br /><br />Here we see the Bible talking about a new heaven and a new earth and that the seas are gone.<br /><br />What does a new heaven imply? If there is a second moon in the sky could it be said to be a new heaven.<br />If there is no more seas the earth will start looking like mars again and it could be said to be a new earth.<br /><br />Lets look at some of the events that the Bible talk about that will take place during such a massive change like the birth of a moon.<br /><br />Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; <br />Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. <br />Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. <br />Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bond

 

[MeteorWayne]

We are supposed to be talking science here <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

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Eagledare<br /><br />Do not stop writing ever...<br /><br />Every input should be always welcomed since its the expression of the great variety of people around the world and that is truly the worlds best asset. But because this is a science forum maybe you will not get the right audience for your thoughts so here is another forum that may be more receptive. <br /><br />Obviously this does not mean stop writing here (who am I to say such a thing) but just consider that most here are more science driven and biblical verses (which were writen by men, according to them, in the name of God) may not be proof enough for most of the discussion subjects.<br /><br />http://www.christianforums.com/t1897757-astronomy.html

 

[eagledare]

derekmcd:Tidal locking is a natural occurance of satelites orbiting their host planet. Here's a link for ya: <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking <br /><br />I looked at the above site and according to the formula the earth should be slowing down aswell and that is not the case. In the last 5000 years earth has increased its rotational speed. We now have 365 days in a year were there were 360 days in a year a few thousand years ago.<br /><br />I cannot see that gravitation pull can affect another body's rotation. If it did then the earth should be one side to the sun by now.<br /><br />Can anyone shed some more light on the matter?<br /><br /><br />

 

[eagledare]

MeteorWayne: <br />We are supposed to be talking science here <br /><br />Science is the method we are using to try and work out how God did things. Like gravity it was already there no scientist made it. So who is the greatest scientist?

 

[halcyondays]

<<<<br />In the last 5000 years earth has increased its rotational speed. We now have 365 days in a year were there were 360 days in a yearfew thousand years ago. <br /> />>><br /><br />Run that by us again, if you would...

 

[MeteorWayne]

Was that from his site, or a post.<br />In any case, eagledare:<br />What does the length of a year have to do with rotation speed (which defines a day).<br />The earth's rotation is slowing down.<br />That's one reason we add leap seconds. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[eagledare]

My spelling is up to #%^##@ but anyhow english is not my 1st lang. and there is no spelling checker on here.<br />A year is the time taken from a point on the orbit around the sun until earth reaches that same point again ( I know the orbit is getting slightly longer every year but very little so leave that out for the moment) .The amount of times the earth turned aroud its own axis in that year depends on the rotational speed.So if it took 360 days earlier and now 365 days the rotational speed increased. To add the leap seconds might be caused by the longer orbit about 50 meters per year if I remember correctly. Is my calculations out?

 

[CalliArcale]

I see what you're saying, but I don't recall ever reading that the Earth's day was longer in the past. Instead, I've read that it was shorter. Where did you read that there were once 360 days in a year?<br /><br />Note: do not be confused by the fact that there have been calendars with years lasting other than 365 days. This is not because the rotational period of the Earth changed. This is because reckoning time is complicated, and sometimes people try for short-cuts. For instance, the French Republican Calendar (instituted following the overthrow of the monarchy) had twelve months, each comprised of three ten-day "weeks" (<i />decades</i>). Although this evidently appealed to the intelligentsia in charge at the time, because of its neat decimal approach, it has an obvious problem: there would be only 360 days in the year, and Nature isn't so cooperative as to adjust the Earth's orbit to be consistent. So an extra five days would be added at the end of each year, except for every four years, when there would be six extra days. It really got absurd when they tried to redefine units of time for a "decimal" clock.<br /><br />The length of a year varies. Sometimes it gets longer. Sometimes it gets shorter. There are actually many forces acting upon the Earth, and that makes the whole situation extremely complicated. But the day is getting longer on a more predictable schedule. Fortunately, it's not going to be noticable until long after our deaths. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[eagledare]

CalliArcale: Where did you read that there were once 360 days in a year? <br /><br />The old Jewish calendar was 30 days in the month and 360 days to the year and there was no adding of days every few years. The Old Testament gives very good account of time and their festivals for planting and harvesting. I will do a bit more research on it and when it changed because 400 years before Christ they were under the Roman calendar 365 days a year.<br /><br />Reclaim Your Lost Birthright Of Understanding<br /><br />It is up to you to take control of your birthright of<br />understanding. http://www.thefinaltheory.com/?gclid=CJ6NyaSa9IYCFQswUgodJyrpWA<br /><br />

 

[sponge]

The Earths Moon, was towed in into position by Cosmic Landscaping Co. Ltd Pty 4 Billion years ago. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><u>SPONGE</u></em></p> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<i>I looked at the above site and according to the formula the earth should be slowing down aswell and that is not the case.</i><br /><br />Actually, it is the case... The earth's rotation is, in fact, slowing down. Leap Seconds are added occasionally to account for the increase of the day's length.<br /><br /><i>In the last 5000 years earth has increased its rotational speed.</i><br /><br />If you mean the Earth's rotation (orbit) around the Sun, this is also wrong. Although the sun's tidal forces on the earth are far, far weaker than the moon's tidal forces, the forces are still there and acting on the earth. The tidal forces of the sun are causing the earth to increase it's distance from the sun. Not to mention the fact that the sun is losing mass via solar winds. Less mass equals less gravity equals the earth's orbit grows larger. The further objects are from the sun, the slower they orbit and hence the longer year.<br /><br /><i>We now have 365 days in a year were there were 360 days in a year a few thousand years ago.</i><br /><br />I believe you are speaking strictly of calendars. The old 360 days calendar did, in fact, add leap months at periodic intervals.<br /><br /><i>I cannot see that gravitation pull can affect another body's rotation. If it did then the earth should be one side to the sun by now. </i><br /><br />As I stated before... the sun does affect the earth and the moon via tidal forces, but it is very, very weak and will take a very, very long time for the earth to be completly tidal locked with the sun. We are talking several billions of years from now. The sun will likely be a white dwarf and the earth charred nice and crispy by then. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

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At the end of the Permian period about 250 Million years ago (just prior to the Great Dying), there is fossil evidence that then there were 440 days in one year. <br /><br />There are now 365.25, so there were 74.75 extra days back then. <br /><br />Seeing as I far as I know, the Earth's orbit has not really changed since then, the day was just over 19 hours long back then.<br /><br />250 million years is only about 5% of the total age of the Earth. I think that this rate of day lengthening CANNOT be a constant value.<br /><br />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[nexium]

A likely explanation is 360 was considered a perfect number in some societies, and was thus used for the degrees in a circle and the number of days in a year, even though they measured about 365 days. In resent years, most years have gained one second and the theory is quite robust as to the day getting longer for millions of years. Longer day = fewer days per year over very long periods of time. Neil

 

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There is a lot of information mixed up somewhere in this tred so please try to follow this:<br /><br />Earth "rotates" around its own axis (rotation) at a certain speed (earth rotation speed).<br /><br />Earth "revolves" around the sun (revolution) at a certain speed (orbital speed)<br /><br />Earth Rotation:<br /><br />The Earth rotates once in a few minutes under a day (23 hours 56 minutes 04. 09053 seconds). This is called the sidereal period (which means the period relative to stars). The sidereal period is not exactly equal to a day because by the time the Earth has rotated once, it has also moved a little in its orbit around the Sun, so it has to keep rotating for about another 4 minutes before the Sun seems to be back in the same place in the sky that it was in exactly a day before. <br /><br /><br />The Earth's spin is slowing down by about 1.5 - 2 milliseconds per century, and that angular momentum is moving into the Moon's orbit, which is getting larger. The reason for this, and the reason a figure skater can only spin for so long, is friction. In the case of the skater, it's air resistance and friction with the ice. In the case of the Earth, it's the friction due to tides moving around the Earth.<br /><br />Orbital Speed:<br /><br />http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/IlanaEpstein.shtml<br /><br />Earth's "mean orbital" speed <br /><br />Earth's mean orbital speed is the average speed at which the Earth revolves around the sun. This is defined in two different ways, based on the sidereal year and the tropical year <br /><br />Slowing down of "orbital speed"<br /><br />Scientists discovered that "orbital speed" is slowing down:<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/01/01/leap.second.ap/index.html<br /><br />Now the question of the days of the year being 360 days in the past and the 365 days now c

 

[derekmcd]

<i>I think that this rate of day lengthening CANNOT be a constant value. <br /></i><br /><br />I tend to agree with ya. Early in earth's history, the moon was much closer exerting higher tidal forces. No doubt the rate of decay of the earth's rotation around it's axis was much higher. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[eagledare]

WOW I love this forum it gets you so much information from others and from everyones point of view. thank you one and all for your time and willingness to share your knowledge.

 

[derekmcd]

I enjoy it when folks tend to ramble on and spew out information held in their grey matter... even if it strays a bit from the original topic. Definately some knowledgable people wandering about these parts. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[eagledare]

Not to worry? <br /><br />What are those strech marks on Dione? Is it Expanding aswell?

 

[eagledare]

What are these strech marks on Dione? Is it Expanding aswell?

 

[Boris_Badenov]

Hey, what happened to the rest of Dione? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Mysta stopped expanding <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>