Rose or Martha?

[vagueship]

Welllll Dr. Who fans?

 

[CalliArcale]

I prefer Martha, personally. Rose wasn't bad, but I like Martha better. (And there should be less soap opera without Rose on board, although Season Three still manages to talk about her a lot.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

Sarah was my favorite, followed by Romana 1.0 and Rose. Least favorite is Roman 2.0 followed by Leela and the stewardess whiner. Susan always screamed too much. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

My, you do go back-a-ways. But trying to bring up those memories, I think it would have to be Sarah, followed by Romana. But if I remember correctly, Romana was a little stiff, more British then the others. But then my memory may just be faulty.<br /><br />I seem to be at a loss for Martha, (must have missed more ep's then I thought), so I would have to say Rose was a nice companion to have, and seemed to gather much of the Dr.'s attention and thoughts. <br /><br />

 

[vagueship]

Martha does seem a little more intelligent and Rose was a little plump. Far cry from the first side kick. A 15 year old one high school girl.

 

[JonClarke]

Don't forget the two teachers as side kicks in the first episode!<br /><br />Rose PLUMP? Come off it! That is what a normal slim woman looks like, not an anorexic!<br /><br />I like the intellectual in martha - we need more smart side kicks. Romana was great for that reason.<br /><br />I have only seen Martha in one episode, but I like what I see. I think she is also the first companion with a tatoo! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[vagueship]

I didn't forget the teachers. The girl travelled with the doctor to London so I thought of her as a side kick. The teachers were picked up.<br /><br />I'm watching Bad Wolf now. It looks like Rose is a little slimmer now than season two.<br /><br />Martha may have the first tatoo that we can see.

 

[kdavis007]

Don't know, it is about to start here on scifi in the states..

 

[lampblack]

Dunno yet... thanks to a link that somebody provided hereabouts, I have only just now discovered the first three seasons of the new Who online. They weren't available to me before -- and I feel as though I'm wandering through an unexpected treasure hall.<br /><br />I've spent the last several days watching the first year's worth -- and have gotten through the transition from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennant. Spent the past hour watching the "New Earth" episode in which Rose and the new doctor visit a weird hospital in the far future.<br /><br />I've gotta observe that the shows generally are absolutely brilliant. I haven't stumbled across anything like them on American television -- at least, not recently.<br /><br />I'll opine on Rose versus Martha as soon as I'm qualified -- which should be within the next couple or three days. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Glad you like them!<br /><br />They have the same proposterousness to science of "The Hitchhiker's Guide" but with serious plot and character development. I really like the character development in the new DW., and I certainly have not seen anything like it on TV since Blake's 7.<br /><br />Jon<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[dragon04]

I've been watching Dr. Who reruns today on SciFi as a run up to Season 3's premiere tonight.<br /><br />I've been a fan of the Doctor for as long as I can remember. I remember every Doctor's female sidekick back to his earliest incarnations.<br /><br />After watching Billie Piper's performance one more time, were I the Doctor, I'd likely change Time itself to be with Rose Tyler. Those three little words.... "I love you".<br /><br />They were spoken in a way that makes everything else irrelevant. Rose Tyler isn't the most attractive associate that the Doctor has ever had (I personally find Billie Piper VERY attractive, mind you). She's certainly not the most sophisticated.<br /><br />But Rose has the qualities and characteristics that have to make the Doctor regret his inability to share long life with any one person.<br /><br />I'm glad I'm not a Time Lord. I have my very own Rose in real life. I can't imagine a life without her.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[lampblack]

<font color="yellow">But Rose has the qualities and characteristics that have to make the Doctor regret his inability to share long life with any one person.</font><br /><br />And killing off the last of the Daleks has gotta count for something. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[nuaetius]

I can't stand Martha. I do appreciate that she is smarter than Rose, but at least Rose acted like a adult about her attraction to the Doctor, instead of constantly morning his lack of attraction to her. Rose complimented the Doctor's joy and child-like wonder at the world. Martha compliments The Doctor's intelligence, but watching two smart people is not nearly as entertaining as to joyous people.

 

[hracctsold]

I just saw what it appears to be the first Dr. and Martha show early this morning. If that is Martha, she does seem a worthy companion to the Dr. But I lost out on the demise of Rose, and heard the Dr. mentally muse on Rose when he was talking with Martha. <br /><br />He said that she was alright, but was some place else. I thot someone said she died. And was that Rose's mother I saw in the argueing match at the end of the show?<br /><br />Thanks for the input. Henry <br /><br />

 

[vagueship]

That's how I watch it too, lampblack. Which link?

 

[vagueship]

And is Martha gone? Will Kylie Minogue take her place?

 

[vagueship]

And I just noticed that Freema plays a computer operator in "Army of Ghosts".

 

[hracctsold]

Dreamer,<br /><br />Two things about your post that I thot of. One, maybe that was a "Ghost in the Machine" that caused you to hear that familar voice of the past. <br /><br />Two, I liked you sig line and if it were that true, I also would be in the running for a tall man award. I maybe even would give Goliath a run for his money for height. Good sig line. I'm thinkiing about retiring mine, May 25 has come and gone a while now.<br /><br />

 

[JonClarke]

<i>But I lost out on the demise of Rose, and heard the Dr. mentally muse on Rose when he was talking with Martha.</i><br /><br />The was a detailed episode guide in wikipedia with lots of spoilers.<br /><br />Jon <br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[lampblack]

<font color="yellow">That's how I watch it too, lampblack. Which link?</font><br /><br />This one. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />The video names are coded to indicate the order in which they were broadcast. For instance, S01E01 refers to Season 1, Episode 1. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[vagueship]

<br /><br />What's an areologist and how did you get it there?

 

[dragon04]

<font color="yellow">And killing off the last of the Daleks has gotta count for something.</font><br /><br />Call me silly, but I found a lot of poignance in that episode.<br /><br />The "last Dalek" had an opportunity to assimilate itself into a society that would certainly find it hostile.<br /><br />Certainly, our Good Doctor could be forgiven for his abject hatred of the Daleks, but when it died, so did part of Rose Tyler.<br /><br />In tangible ways, she "humanized" that Dalek. It became something that it was not prior to its exploitation of Rose's DNA. Goodness, beauty, and love was added to its existence, and those qualities could not be assimilated quickly enough.<br /><br />That was a personally moving episode even if that was not the intent of its Author.<br /><br />As stupid as it sounds, I grieved for that Dalek. Until its interaction with Rose, it only knew a blind mission of hatred and cold extermination of a species it considered to be a mortal enemy.<br /><br />In the last moments of its life, it was faced with a reality that it never previously considered. And was forced to consider. And it died truly alone. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[lampblack]

I liked that episode, too. That "last Dalek" grew way beyond the undiluted hatred that more or less defines the Daleks. It was perhaps the only Dalek to ever evoke empathy and become something... admirable. But that's not what I was talking about.<br /><br />SEASON ONE SPOILERS BELOW:<br /><br />When I referred to Rose killing off the last of the Daleks, I meant the Season One episode where she assumes quasi-godlike qualities and is unveiled as the "bad wolf" who finally ends the Time War. <br /><br />In that episode, we learn that the "last Dalek" in fact was not the last. Other Daleks -- including the Dalek emperor -- survived, too, after falling through a crack in time. It turns out that they have contrived over hundreds of years to tamper with earth's history and assemble a rather sizable fleet somewhere out around the vicinity of Pluto's orbit.<br /><br />The Doctor, assuming that he is about to die during this last, unhappy confrontation with his old enemies, sends Rose home with the Tardis. He instructs her to simply live her life and allow the Tardis to die (thus keeping it out of the Daleks' hands). Instead, she gazes into the heart of the Tardis -- and is imbued with godlike qualities. She flies back and saves the day, essentially dissolving the Dalek fleet (including the emperor) where it stands.<br /><br />Rose kicks some serious Dalek ass -- but at a cost. She absorbs more energy from the Tardis than she (or anybody) could handle. In curing her, The Doctor takes the energy into himself -- and is forced into a regeneration cycle. And so, The Doctor of Season One becomes David Tennant. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

"The Last Dalek" was indeed poignent. I found myself alternately feeling pity for this creature, trapped, alone, the last of its kind, and horror that these creatures are truely chilling and rightly feared through the universe. There is nothing remotely funny about Daleks in this. But knowing what the Daleks are (were) I was still moved when the creature unlatched its hood and basked in the first sun it had seen for years. Was it this episode where the Dr. was told he wpould have made a good Dalek? A timely reminder there is a little Dalek inside each one of us.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

All too true. Didn't the Dalek recognize the Doctor, and refer to him as "the Destroyer?" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>