SCRAMJET test at Woomara rocket range!

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jgrtmp

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Hate to tell you this, but thats Austrailia. We sucessfully ran through or scram tests years ago & California screamed about it. It upset the Vandenberg area for years. The Pacific was the down range for the tests. What I do notice is the small platform of the projectile. A missile without intake. Scrams use forced air for intake. I believe your looking at a hoax...
 
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ozspace

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jgrtmp":ym4yjzyj said:
I believe your looking at a hoax...
Really? The Australian Department of Defence have also reported a successful test:
"Date: 22 March, 2010
Media Release Number: 35/2010

Greg Combet, Minister for Defence Personnel, Materiel and Science, today announced that the Defence Science and Technology Organisation (DSTO) and the US Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) have successfully completed a second hypersonic flight at the Woomera Test Range."

http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/news/6115/
 
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newsartist

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There is no 'hoax' about it.

That is a serious program returning valuable data.

That said, the results don't look very impressive to a layman. It is not a complete aircraft, but a test article to return specific information.

It is boosted to extreme altitude by a sounding rocket, and motors drill it back into the atmosphere at test speed. This gives the observers a very brief period to examine data points of interest.
 
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JonClarke

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jgrtmp":3nafprpd said:
Hate to tell you this, but thats Austrailia. We sucessfully ran through or scram tests years ago & California screamed about it. It upset the Vandenberg area for years. The Pacific was the down range for the tests. What I do notice is the small platform of the projectile. A missile without intake. Scrams use forced air for intake. I believe your looking at a hoax...
Hoax? That's the team that had achieved the successful in-flight scramjet ignition BEFORE your precious Vandenerg test.
 
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freya

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Maybe one day, when ships are making frequent hops to NEO, powered half the way on SCRAM technology, a device, technique or data point, critical to success, will be traced back to these Woomera and hopefully future, tests.
Gary (aka freya)
Deleted comments. Agree with MW and stick to the facts :!:
 
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MeteorWayne

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Mod Hat On***

Folks, this forum is Missions and Launches. Please stick to specific discussion of the test.

For discussion of Australian Science , please open a new thread in Free Space.

MW
 
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bushwhacker

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Excuse me. The Australians and the US Air Force LAUNCHED two test MISSIONS of a Hypersonic craft.

And your saying this belongs in free space?
 
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ozspace

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bushwhacker":1irebpc5 said:
Excuse me. The Australians and the US Air Force LAUNCHED two test MISSIONS of a Hypersonic craft.

And your saying this belongs in free space?
Have to agree, I think this is right where it should be. I see there is a thread on UK Space Agency here too...
 
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newsartist

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Agree Wayne. This is a very valid mission.

It sounds 'iffy' to the layman, with very short data times, but is in fact doing good work.
 
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EarthlingX

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I posted this somewhere else, it is related, i think :

Not really news from the University of Queensland:

One $14m step towards scramjets for access to space
Published: 27 February 2010
The University of Queensland will lead a $14 million international consortium to help develop scramjet-based access-to-space systems, flying an autonomous scramjet vehicle at eight times the speed of sound – Mach 8, or 8600 km/h.

In parallel, scramjet concepts will be tested at even greater speeds, up to Mach 14, in UQ's world class hypersonic ground-test facilities.
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Partners in the new program include four Australian universities — UQ, the University of Adelaide, the University of New South Wales, and the University of Southern Queensland; and a US university, the University of Minnesota.

It also includes three international aerospace organisations — DLR in Germany, JAXA of Japan and CIRA of Italy; Australia's Defence Science and Technology Organisation; the Australian Youth Aerospace Association; and industry partners including Brisbane firm Teakle Composites Pty Ltd, Cairns firm AIMTEK Pty Ltd, BAE Systems Australia, and Boeing Research and Technology Australia.

“Access to – getting into – space is necessary for the deployment of space-based systems and technologies for communications, remote sensing, climate monitoring and space science, “ Professor Boyce said.
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Centre for Hypersonics at UQ ---- Hyshot

(2007)
Five flights were made

* HyShot I was launched on 30 October 2001
* HyShot II was launched on 30 July 2002
* HyShot III was launched on 25 March 2006
* HyShot IV was launched on 30 March 2006
* HyCAUSE was launched on 15 June 2007
HiFire Program :

HiFire 0 launch 7 May 2009
I think, this is related to the first stage :

Wiki :
RIM-2 Terrier

Astronautix :
 
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andrew_t1000

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As promised video of the SCRAM jet test a few years ago.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj9X-iwhMOk[/youtube]

Another video from the University Of Queensland
the hypersonic wind tunnel mentioned in this video was used by NASA during the initial design of the space shuttles, it's the fastest wind tunnel on the planet.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGk1ctt4NrA[/youtube]

and here are some good close ups of the intake
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwikJ4wcSEc[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0OG_NnL61k
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTGUIqlEQrU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0CcYe12RPA[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVq72fL3Arc[/youtube]

Wow! Look at that!
Australian's can do more than drink beer, farm sheep and whoop the poms at cricket!!!

And yes, I'm still really angry that jgrtmp thought to call this a hoax without even the slightest bit of research.
 
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EarthlingX

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andrew_t1000":19s8uyf5 said:
Wow! Look at that!
Australian's can do more than drink beer, farm sheep and whoop the poms at cricket!!!

And yes, I'm still really angry that jgrtmp thought to call this a hoax without even the slightest bit of research.
Wha ? Australians can drink beer ? Khm.. yea, i noticed :p This babies don't drink beer, though ;)

Nice video collection :cool: Let's see ... :geek: :arrow:

Some redundant info :

Wiki : Scramjet
A scramjet (supersonic combustion ramjet) is a variation of a ramjet distinguished by supersonic combustion. A scramjet, like a ramjet, essentially consists of a constricted tube through which inlet air is compressed by the high speed of the vehicle, a combustion chamber where fuel is combusted, and a nozzle through which the exhaust jet leaves at higher speed than the inlet air.
and : HyShot
HyShot is a research project of The University of Queensland, Australia Centre for Hypersonics, to demonstrate the possibility of supersonic combustion under flight conditions and compare the results of shock tunnel experiments.
 
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jgrtmp

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Wow, hate to feel the exhaust on that one. I have since gone through some releases & papers on it. I apologize to anyone connected to the project as to insinuate a hoax is to belay years of effort. Congrats on the the flight. What I found was the ram speed is around 478mph to get an engine burn. From there it jumps up to about Mach9. The US is trying to maintain a sustained minimum of 5000mph at 50,000' for some of it's future projects. This Austrailian launch had a target speed of Mach10. This release is from 2004 as mentioned by the earlier post. This was way ahead of these launches. http://www.physorg.com/news1146.html
The initail US launches use the X43 & a hydrocarbon based fuel. The next step is in to the X51 which will use JP7 as the propellant. Hope these launches go well as alot of peoples time has been invested in this...
 
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newsartist

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jgrtmp":tblajeqp said:
....The initail US launches use the X43 & a hydrocarbon based fuel. The next step is in to the X51 which will use JP7 as the propellant.....
I believe that the X-43 flights to date burned Hydrogen as fuel.

X-51 uses the JP-7 hydrocarbon. Confusing is the fact that the advanced X-43 was to use a hydrocarbon. It was canceled and the technology went into the X-51.
 
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JonClarke

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jgrtmp":qqummr6e said:
Wow, hate to feel the exhaust on that one. I have since gone through some releases & papers on it. I apologize to anyone connected to the project as to insinuate a hoax is to belay years of effort. Congrats on the the flight. What I found was the ram speed is around 478mph to get an engine burn. From there it jumps up to about Mach9. The US is trying to maintain a sustained minimum of 5000mph at 50,000' for some of it's future projects. This Austrailian launch had a target speed of Mach10. This release is from 2004 as mentioned by the earlier post. This was way ahead of these launches. http://www.physorg.com/news1146.html
The initail US launches use the X43 & a hydrocarbon based fuel. The next step is in to the X51 which will use JP7 as the propellant. Hope these launches go well as alot of peoples time has been invested in this...
No worries and the apology appreciated.

I feel close to this program - I met some of their team in Innamicka (as one does) on their way back to UQ after the first (unsuccessful) Hyshot test. I also was lucky enough to get a tour of the ADFA hypersonic shock tunnel facility with Russell Boyce, who now holds the chair in hypersonics at UQ. They are a fantsic group, who have been working on hyersonics at least as far backas the Mercury days and probably before.

cheers

Jon
 
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