Spend a Billion

one_billy · Feb 13, 2009

one_billy · Feb 13, 2009

MeteorWayne · Feb 13, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You are head of Nasa and you have been just handed a Billion dollars from the stimulus package.Where do you spend the money? Posted by one_billy</DIV> This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Feb 13, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You are head of Nasa and you have been just handed a Billion dollars from the stimulus package.Where do you spend the money? Posted by one_billy</DIV> This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>I agree Wayne & have actioned that move.Great question though, my answer though IMO only would be to bolster the Planetary Exploration program with it, i.e extend both MERs to at least Sol 2,500 if they last that long, grant the 7 year extention of Cassini, get NH2 / ARGO off the ground, etc.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>I agree Wayne & have actioned that move.Great question though, my answer though IMO only would be to bolster the Planetary Exploration program with it, i.e extend both MERs to at least Sol 2,500 if they last that long, grant the 7 year extention of Cassini, get NH2 / ARGO off the ground, etc.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

phaze · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You are head of Nasa and you have been just handed a Billion dollars from the stimulus package.Where do you spend the money? Posted by one_billy</DIV> I saw something that said $400 million was for climate change studies.  Is that part of the $1 billion or in addition to?In either case... good for NASA!

phaze · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You are head of Nasa and you have been just handed a Billion dollars from the stimulus package.Where do you spend the money? Posted by one_billy</DIV> I saw something that said $400 million was for climate change studies.  Is that part of the $1 billion or in addition to?In either case... good for NASA!

trailrider · Feb 14, 2009

With apologies to the late Sen. Everett McKinley Dirskon: "A [billion]* here, a [billion] there... Pretty soon you're talking real money!"*he used "million"

trailrider · Feb 14, 2009

With apologies to the late Sen. Everett McKinley Dirskon: "A [billion]* here, a [billion] there... Pretty soon you're talking real money!"*he used "million"

halcyondays · Feb 14, 2009

Is it known whether there are any strings attached to this new billion, or directions as to how the money should be spent ?   It would be very easy to throw a billion into the general NASA pot and not have much to show for it.   I'm guessing also that it's a one-off payment, rather than a commitment to increase NASA's budget by a billion each year.   If that's right, it's not easy to make decent investments longer-term against the arrival of a one-off sum of money.  It would certainly be nice if some funding were committed to prolonging/securing existing science missions, as already mentioned.  On the other hand, a billion would fund a brand new mission.  I fear, however, that we won't see much tangible gain from this money, and that the overall NASA bureaucracy may have first dibs.  Thoughts ?

halcyondays · Feb 14, 2009

Is it known whether there are any strings attached to this new billion, or directions as to how the money should be spent ?   It would be very easy to throw a billion into the general NASA pot and not have much to show for it.   I'm guessing also that it's a one-off payment, rather than a commitment to increase NASA's budget by a billion each year.   If that's right, it's not easy to make decent investments longer-term against the arrival of a one-off sum of money.  It would certainly be nice if some funding were committed to prolonging/securing existing science missions, as already mentioned.  On the other hand, a billion would fund a brand new mission.  I fear, however, that we won't see much tangible gain from this money, and that the overall NASA bureaucracy may have first dibs.  Thoughts ?

Swampcat · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is it known whether there are any strings attached to this new billion, or directions as to how the money should be spent ?   It would be very easy to throw a billion into the general NASA pot and not have much to show for it.   I'm guessing also that it's a one-off payment, rather than a commitment to increase NASA's budget by a billion each year.   If that's right, it's not easy to make decent investments longer-term against the arrival of a one-off sum of money.  It would certainly be nice if some funding were committed to prolonging/securing existing science missions, as already mentioned.  On the other hand, a billion would fund a brand new mission.  I fear, however, that we won't see much tangible gain from this money, and that the overall NASA bureaucracy may have first dibs.  Thoughts ? Posted by halcyondays</DIV>From SDC home page: Economic Stimulus Package Contains $1 Billion for NASA The compromise spending plan includes $400 million to narrow the gap between the planned 2010 retirement of the space shuttle and the first flight of its successor. The Senate measure had called for $450 million; the House version included no money for narrowing the gap.NASA also would receive the House request of $400 million for Earth science and climate monitoring projects and $150 million for aeronautics under the compromise. The Senate had proposed spending $50 million more in each area.The Senate bill had included $250 million to repair NASA facilities damaged by Hurricane Ike last summer, but the measure now headed for vote includes the House request for $50 million. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

Swampcat · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is it known whether there are any strings attached to this new billion, or directions as to how the money should be spent ?   It would be very easy to throw a billion into the general NASA pot and not have much to show for it.   I'm guessing also that it's a one-off payment, rather than a commitment to increase NASA's budget by a billion each year.   If that's right, it's not easy to make decent investments longer-term against the arrival of a one-off sum of money.  It would certainly be nice if some funding were committed to prolonging/securing existing science missions, as already mentioned.  On the other hand, a billion would fund a brand new mission.  I fear, however, that we won't see much tangible gain from this money, and that the overall NASA bureaucracy may have first dibs.  Thoughts ? Posted by halcyondays</DIV>From SDC home page: Economic Stimulus Package Contains $1 Billion for NASA The compromise spending plan includes $400 million to narrow the gap between the planned 2010 retirement of the space shuttle and the first flight of its successor. The Senate measure had called for $450 million; the House version included no money for narrowing the gap.NASA also would receive the House request of $400 million for Earth science and climate monitoring projects and $150 million for aeronautics under the compromise. The Senate had proposed spending $50 million more in each area.The Senate bill had included $250 million to repair NASA facilities damaged by Hurricane Ike last summer, but the measure now headed for vote includes the House request for $50 million. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

ThereIWas2 · Feb 14, 2009

Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

ThereIWas2 · Feb 14, 2009

Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

rubicondsrv · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV> yes<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

rubicondsrv · Feb 14, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV> yes<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-cool.gif" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

one_billy · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> I disagree it's an open question and could go anywhere.If you are as smart as you look you could rephrase the question and post it in every forum. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

one_billy · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This would be better off in Missions and Launches, IMHO... Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> I disagree it's an open question and could go anywhere.If you are as smart as you look you could rephrase the question and post it in every forum. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Swampcat · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV> From SpaceX Update:"Since COTS Capability D is an existing option in an already competed contract, NASA could exercise it right away, resulting in immediate job creation. It is also worth noting that COTS D, like the COTS A-C funding, is a fixed price agreement and is only awarded as each milestone is achieved. If SpaceX is unable to pass the milestones, no taxpayer money is spent."If you think this makes sense, please contact your representatives in the House and Senate, as well as Rep. Mollohan and Senator Mikulski who lead the Commerce, Justice and Science Appropriations Subcommittees. Please encourage them to fund NASA Exploration in the Stimulus Bill and provide the $300M in funding necessary to begin COTS Capability D." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

Swampcat · Feb 15, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Isn't 400m just about the amount SpaceX needs for COTS-D?  Posted by ThereIWas2</DIV> From SpaceX Update:"Since COTS Capability D is an existing option in an already competed contract, NASA could exercise it right away, resulting in immediate job creation. It is also worth noting that COTS D, like the COTS A-C funding, is a fixed price agreement and is only awarded as each milestone is achieved. If SpaceX is unable to pass the milestones, no taxpayer money is spent."If you think this makes sense, please contact your representatives in the House and Senate, as well as Rep. Mollohan and Senator Mikulski who lead the Commerce, Justice and Science Appropriations Subcommittees. Please encourage them to fund NASA Exploration in the Stimulus Bill and provide the $300M in funding necessary to begin COTS Capability D." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

venator_3000 · Feb 18, 2009

If there was a "spare" billion I would put it toward a space-based VLBI. I can imagine a series of these antennae spanning several AU.Such a network of radio antennae would be more sensitive than Earth based units and have a longer line than even Halca and what ASTRO-G is expected to offer. This would be a boon toward studies of AGN, pulsars, radio stars, and OH masers. Resolutions from Halca were in milli-arcseconds, which was better than ground-based. A portion of the monies would be put toward an active control system for these antennae, that would perhaps have application to control systems we use on Earth.V3K <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

venator_3000 · Feb 18, 2009

If there was a "spare" billion I would put it toward a space-based VLBI. I can imagine a series of these antennae spanning several AU.Such a network of radio antennae would be more sensitive than Earth based units and have a longer line than even Halca and what ASTRO-G is expected to offer. This would be a boon toward studies of AGN, pulsars, radio stars, and OH masers. Resolutions from Halca were in milli-arcseconds, which was better than ground-based. A portion of the monies would be put toward an active control system for these antennae, that would perhaps have application to control systems we use on Earth.V3K <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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