Star Trek II/III/IV questions

[willpittenger]

<ol type="1"><li>While in the Mutura Nebula, Enterprise's port-side torpedo room was destroyed by phaser fire from Reliant. Then when Spock's body was launched at the end, it looked like the damage was repaired (the port was glowing and looked active) and the bay (a high priority in combat) was back in service. Which would be all fine, but throughout Star Trek III, the damage is still there. Did someone make a mistake and use the wrong model? Also, ironically, that was the room where Kirk boarded for his tour. Coincidence?<li>Kirk left his suit jacket behind on Genesis. He took it off for Spock to use as a pillow (and perhaps due to the heat). But he did NOT pick it up again when calling for beam-up. Yet when he reachs the bird of prey's bridge, the jacket is on. A goof?<li>Why was the bird of prey's bridge changed between II and III? The only reason I could come up with was to eliminate the room for the puppeteers of Kruge's pet. I seriously doubt that Kirk would have been able to arrange a bridge module swap when only Klingon parts would fit. Besides, a ship that small might not have room for the bridge to be a module. Modules require more space as the module is almost a seperate ship. Besides, what good reason would Kirk or Scotty have for bothering? Changing the langauge of the ship's systems and controls certainly would not require a new bridge. If it did, you would probably have to replace or completely rebuild the entire ship. The later would be similar to what Enterprise went through between the end of TOS and the start of STI.<li>I was rather upset that the feathers remained on the bird of prey even though the script was changed so that it was actually built by and for Klingons. I question Klingons would care about mere decorations.<li><font color="yellow">(New as of 12:08 am 1-5-2007 CST)</font>Not only did Kirk leave his jacket behind; he had no chance to change into clean clothes after messing his up fighting Kruge. Yet</li></li></li></li></li></ol> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[lsbd]

Are you sure you're not my best friend in disguise? He has a degree in radio, film and television broadcasting. He used to bug the &%$#@! out of me by pointing all this crap out while we were watching the movies. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[willpittenger]

Unlikely. However, since I have yet to find out who you are, who knows. (You hide behind an assumed name. I don't.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Isn't it really stupid that it took Khan and Spock (In II) to point out to the captain that "three dimensional thinking" was needed? You've been in space for centuries and you haven't figured that out yet? And if you think I'm exaggerating, check out all previous Enterprise space battles. All two dimensional.<br /><br />At least Homer was three dimensional once!<br />D'OH <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>You've been in space for centuries and you haven't figured that out yet?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Actually, Khan spent most of that time in space in hibernation. He couldn't figure anything during that time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

Please note I added new items. I added this post because I don't know if that was enough to mark the thread unread or not. This post does mark it unread for you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[enigma10]

You know. If i had to pick the person to pick the brains of the creators of the Star Trek movies... it would be you. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"<font color="#333399">An organism at war with itself is a doomed organism." - Carl Sagan</font></em> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

Blame logic. I tend to be a stickler for details. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[Aetius]

Comic Book Guy is crying somewhere. He has met his match. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[MeteorWayne]

Thanx, I should have known you'd have that in your vast pile of ...pictures <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[lsbd]

<font color="yellow">(You hide behind an assumed name. I don't.) </font><br /><br />I do it for self protection. A certain poster to these forums is infatuated with me and if they knew my real name they could more easily stalk me. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />And I find it a bit egotistical to use your real name on forums of this type (kinda like those damn vanity liscense plates) no offense intended<br /><br />Plus it is more "fun" to pick a username than to use your regular boring given name. I'll PM you with what the acronym LSBD stands for if you like. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[willpittenger]

The problem I have is what to call myself. I have been using my name for nearly 40 years. Works great. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[lsbd]

use a play on your name. you could be:<br /><br />Will Pi the SciFi Guy<br /><br />TA DA!!!!!

 

[willpittenger]

Not funny. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[vogon13]

LOL!<br /><br />I have accused him of that too . . . . <br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[lsbd]

Come on man, lighten up. Have you no sense of humor at all?

 

[willpittenger]

Actually, I do read comic strips like Dilbert, Peanuts, Garfield, Wizard of Id, Marmaduke, Family Circus, Beetle Bailey, and others. However, that is as far as I go. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

No. Born in Peoria, IL. Raised in a Peoria suburb called Morton, IL. People have checked my ears for points, but find over time that I do have a sense of humor. However, it is very out of synch with the norm. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

Again, I added more items to the root post. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[mooware]

<yellow>the boarding party leader couldn't tell Kruge what the computer was saying. Yet, the same man reports to Kruge -- IN English!" </yellow><br /><br />I have an answer for this.<br /><br />It's assumed that he was speaking in Klingon to Kruge. This eliminates the need for subtitles.<br />

 

[willpittenger]

You might assume that. I couldn't. Sure, that had to be the case. But why didn't they go ahead and translate those few lines? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

1) While in the Mutura Nebula, Enterprise's port-side torpedo room was destroyed by phaser fire from Reliant. Then when Spock's body was launched at the end, it looked like the damage was repaired (the port was glowing and looked active) and the bay (a high priority in combat) was back in service. Which would be all fine, but throughout Star Trek III, the damage is still there. Did someone make a mistake and use the wrong model? <font color="yellow">Sounds like it</font>Also, ironically, that was the room where Kirk boarded for his tour. Coincidence? <font color="yellow">Probably</font><br />2) Kirk left his suit jacket behind on Genesis. He took it off for Spock to use as a pillow (and perhaps due to the heat). But he did NOT pick it up again when calling for beam-up. Yet when he reaches the bird of prey's bridge, the jacket is on. A goof?<font color="yellow">Yep</font><br />3) Why was the bird of prey's bridge changed between II and III? <font color="yellow">I didn't notice. Obviously, they broke down the set or maybe even destroyed it not thinking they'd need it again. When they decided to bring Spock back to life in another movie, they might not have had the original set anymore. And they probably figured nobody would notice.</font> The only reason I could come up with was to eliminate the room for the puppeteers of Kruge's pet. I seriously doubt that Kirk would have been able to arrange a bridge module swap when only Klingon parts would fit. Besides, a ship that small might not have room for the bridge to be a module. Modules require more space as the module is almost a separate ship. Besides, what good reason would Kirk or Scotty have for bothering? Changing the langauge of the ship's systems and controls certainly would not require a new bridge. If it did, you would probably have to replace or completely rebuild the entire ship. The later would be similar to what Enterprise went through between the end of TOS and <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

5) Not only did Kirk leave his jacket behind; he had no chance to change into clean clothes after messing his up fighting Kruge. Yet, they are clean, at least until he ends up swimming in the bay, in IV. Furthermore, you would expect the crew to be able to get clean (and new) clothes on Vulcan. (Especially with time for a bridge refit to the bird of prey.) Yet at least Kirk stays with the clothes he had. <font color="yellow">The transporter was set to remove dirt from clothes after that near-disaster in the episode "The Enemy Within" from TOS.</font><br />6) When Enterprise was destroyed in III, I noticed that no damage was done to the secondary hull or the nacelles by the self-destruct device. This would have given an enemy salvage crew time to find out information. We saw what was left deorbit, but what pushed it out of orbit? Also, there was no way for Kirk to control the time before detonation. If there had been a full crew on board, 60 seconds would not be enough time. <font color="yellow">Artistic license. If you're going to get picky, then why not complain that the odds of the ship actually being over the landing site are like 0. Go outside and look up -- what do you think the odds are that the ISS is overhead?</font><br />7) When Kahn set off the Genesis device, the display on the control unit showed "999". The countdown counted in units shorter than one second, but it did not look like enough for "4 minutes" as quoted by David Marcus. We never see the control unit again. Just the device itself.<font color="yellow">Marcus was terrible at keeping track of time. That's why he had to die in the next movie.</font><br />8) How was Kahn supposed to know what the Genesis device and its control unit were? He had no information on what he needed to scan the area where Terrell reported from. Even if he could detect the device itself, how was he supposed to know he needed the control unit too? How was he supposed to think of having the <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Why was the bird of prey's bridge changed between II and III?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>I didn't notice. Obviously, they broke down the set or maybe even destroyed it not thinking they'd need it again. When they decided to bring Spock back to life in another movie, they might not have had the original set anymore. And they probably figured nobody would notice.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />It's mentioned in the special features.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Remember -- Kirk didn't change the bridge, the set makers did.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />The question had to do with possible reasons why the crew (Kirk and company) would have. Such reasoning would have to affect the script. Roddenberry explained away the bridge change we saw in TMP as "a new bridge module". You need something similar for the new bird of prey bridge.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Kirk does not need to explain to Spock how his phaser works before pulling the trigger. Likewise, Klingons owe us no explanations about how they decorate their ships.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Not relevant. As I said, I doubt that Klingons would bother decorating anything (other than wearing Cardissian neckbones). Even if they did decorate, would they tolerate having a Romulan symbol on their bird of prey? I doubt it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

9) I really think the Klingons needed to speak in Klingonese more often in III. With the Enterprise self-destruct sequence counting down, the boarding party leader couldn't tell Kruge what the computer was saying. Yet, the same man reports to Kruge -- IN English!<font color="yellow">I guess your universal translator is working intermittently. I heard everything in English</font><br />10) It is illogical to see the bridge change between the first movie and II. If a new bridge module replaced the one installed in prior to TMP, I would expect a completely different bridge. Simply moving the science station just makes things weird. <font color="yellow">Spock would probably agree with you. Frankly, the first movie is one I'd rather forget.</font><br />11) The Reliant crew over all must have been incompetent. They completely missed that the Ceti Alpha system was short a planet compared to records. I would also have expected the Ceti Alpha name to ring that bell in Checkov's head as readily as the name "SS Botany Bay".<font color="yellow">Don't blame the crew for the writer's mistake.</font><br />12) Nick Meyer (the director of The Wrath of Kahn, admitted Checkov wasn't in Space Seed. So why he didn't have Sulu as Relient's first officer is unknown. Sulu would have then been in position to command a starship shortly.<font color="yellow">There were 433 members of the crew in TOS. Not all of them were seen in every episode. Let's assume that Chekov bumped into Kahn off-screen.</font><br />13) The Oduka's text commentary notes that there is no way for a planet blowing up to affect the orbit of a nearby planet. So how did that end up as the cause of Ceti Alpha Five's orbital shift? <font color="yellow">Yes, this was a definite rolling-eyes moment for every Star Trek fan over the age of 3.</font>/safety_wrapper> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>