The Case for the Schwarzschild Radius Always Actually Being Zero

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The Case for the Schwarzschild Radius Always Actually Being Zero

2024 Sep 09

[First] The Case for Reduced Space in Mass Fields

The clearest, unambiguous evidence for reduced space in a mass field is the fact that the Sun's interior rotates 4 times faster than its exterior even though time runs slower at its interior.

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The analogy is to an ice skater's spin rate increasing as they decrease their radius on near frictionless ice.

The Sun's interior has less space & therefore shorter radii than measured from external expectations.

Because of time dilation the interior should rotate slower per the external viewer if it were Euclidean normal space,
but instead is rotating 4 times faster per the external viewer.

While at this point the contracted space of a mass field has not been measured,
i feel pretty confident guessing it is exactly contracted to compensate for time dilation's slowing of light's/EM 's transit through a mass field.

That guess would make the external geometric progress of a photon exactly the same with or without a mass field.

The only difference for a photon in question is that exiting a mass field it is a 'younger' [made less phase oscillations & traveled a shorter/shrunken distance] than it would have without the mass field.


An additional argument for reduced space in a mass field is there is no traffic jam of matter around black holes, caught in the molassas of time dilation as it would be if it were Euclidean normal space.

Even with tremendous time slowing around a black hole matter does get to the event horizon in reasonable time because there is proportionally less space there.


As I've recently argued the gravity effect, while a result of non-Euclidean space-time, is a mechanistic & distinctly different thing from the non-Euclidean geometry of space-time itself.

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The Schwarzschild Radius is the radius at which light cannot escape a black hole's mass field.

Per my explanation of gravity that means light's/EM's arrest must be a function of the geometry of space-time alone.

Light/EM is not subject to the gravitational effect. It has no extent of resting mass to be influenced by the mechanics of the gravity effect.

If one thinks about light/EM all it needs is space and time to travel.

If the/a Schwarzschild non-zero radius had a positive curve light's/EM's straight line vector would have to escape it.

The only thing light/EM cannot escape is when there is no space and no time.

If one calculates the distance to a Schwarzschild radius that IS the distance to the event horizon,
but due to completely contracted space that arrives at an actual geometric point with zero physical extent.
That is the non-Euclidean geometric shape of space-time proximate to a black hole.

No time passage, no extent of space.
A radius of zero.
A singularity.

I do worry i may be 'putting my foot in it' with that 7+ light year diameter quasar.

Brightest quasar ever seen is powered by black hole that eats a 'sun a day'

The quasar, as bright as 500 trillion suns, has evaded astronomers for over 40 years because of its incredible luminosity.

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In that case especially and if my proposition is correct space must be mind bendingly puckered up [shrunken, contracted] around that quasar.

If my proposition is correct the question is
where does the matter that crosses the event horizon go?

My speculation is that the singularity transitions ('bottlenecks') into inverted space with possibly inverted time.

 

[Classical Motion]

The act of increasing spin with decreasing radius proves constant time. And the conservation of motion. All motion has area. Space does not move in any shape or form. All motion is square motion. Meaning time and space are independent and constant. A stationary point in space and a photon have the same time and the same space.

 

[Questioner]

The Schwarzschild radius [would] contains a volume of space missing from space-time [as we know it].

The space around a black hole is shrunken so there's less space than expected but inside the Schwarzschild radius, that space is just plain gone/missing.

It's like space is a rubber sheet and the Schwarzschild area/volume is pulled out of it and the circumference is rubber banded to a single, dimensionless point.

That stretches space tighter & straighter around it.

 

[Gibsense]

The Schwarzschild Radius is the radius at which light cannot escape a black hole's mass field.

Per my explanation of gravity that means light's/EM's arrest must be a function of the geometry of space-time alone

Yes, the spacetime geometry curves. Space and Time (time at 90 degrees) rotate with the curvature.

Light/EM is not subject to the gravitational effect. It has no extent of resting mass to be influenced by the mechanics of the gravity effect.

Light is affected by gravitation. Light travels in space therefore if space is rotated by spatial curvature the light is rotated too. The mass of light is irrelevant.

 

[Catastrophe]

What is the minimum Schwarzschild radius?


For a mass as small as a human being, the Schwarzschild radius is of the order of 10-23 cm, much smaller than the nucleus of an atom; for a typical star such as the Sun, it is about 3 km (2 miles).

Schwarzschild radius | Definition, Equation, & Facts | Britannica​

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[Gibsense]

Cat

I think you made a typo

 

[Gibsense]

My speculation is that the singularity transitions ('bottlenecks') into inverted space with possibly inverted time.

When you say "inverted" I am not sure what you mean. 1/space ? Also I think you will find that time dilation at the exact center of the sun is zero and it increases as the center is left behind and the gravity "slope" increases.

 

[Catastrophe]

I think you made a typo

On checking, this happened in the C&P.

Here it is again, from

For a mass as small as a human being, the Schwarzschild radius is of the order of 10-23 cm, much smaller than the nucleus of an atom; for a typical star such as the Sun, it is about 3 km (2 miles).

In the original, it is in superscript. Hence Britannica did not need a '^'.

Schwarzschild radius | Definition, Equation, & Facts | Britannica

Schwarzschild radius, the radius below which the gravitational attraction between the particles of a body must cause it to undergo irreversible gravitational collapse. This phenomenon is thought to be the final fate of the more massive stars (see black hole). The Schwarzschild radius (Rg) of an

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My apologies for trying to be helpful.


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[Questioner]

I think gravity is a function of mass distributed across a non-zero extent of tidaled space-time.

Maybe the relative mass of a coherent/superpositioned photon distributed across space could respond to a tidal gradient,

but light can not accelerate because that's the speed limit.

If light/EM is running directly, or nearly so towards a mass center it can't accelerate.

Maybe it could gain energy to become a higher frequency?
But would that be considered 'gravity'?

If one is going to explain apparent curvature of light/EM circuitously around a mass field as a function of gravity
what happens to light/EM driving directly to the center of a mass field?

 

[Questioner]

When you say "inverted" I am not sure what you mean. 1/space ? Also I think you will find that time dilation at the exact center of the sun is zero and it increases as the center is left behind and the gravity "slope" increases.

The interior [beyond the event horizon] of a black hole is where photons can't make any positive progress in space-time.

That doesn't mean they may not make more progress getting further & further away from the threshold [event horizon] of space-time.

The negative number line is a continuous progression of the real number line, but in the opposite direction.

So by extension negative space is a progression of space in an opposite direction.
[Negative] Space that couners positive space-time.

Who knows mabey space [one or more dimensions] and time swap identities.

Maybe time becomes polydimensional and space becomes singular, one dimensional.

I doubt the Sun has a time-dilation of actual zero.

A black hole might quite possibly achieve a stoppage of time.

Possibly a star so massive it will become a black hole may get close to zero time passage at its center.

 

[Classical Motion]

A density gradient can bow light. Such as stilled sugar water, an atmosphere or a corona.

 

[Gibsense]

In the original, it is in superscript. Hence Britannica did not need a '^'.

Ah, of course 10 to the -23 I was too thick to realise!

 

[Gibsense]

The interior [beyond the event horizon] of a black hole is where photons can't make any positive progress in space-time.

That doesn't mean they may not make more progress getting further & further away from the threshold [event horizon] of space-time.

The negative number line is a continuous progression of the real number line, but in the opposite direction.

So by extension negative space is a progression of space in an opposite direction.
[Negative] Space that couners positive space-time.

Who knows mabey space [one or more dimensions] and time swap identities.

Maybe time becomes polydimensional and space becomes singular, one dimensional.

I doubt the Sun has a time-dilation of actual zero.

A black hole might quite possibly achieve a stoppage of time.

Possibly a star so massive it will become a black hole may get close to zero time passage at its center.

Interesting list especially 'negative space (in the opposite direction)' a mind bender .....

 

[Questioner]

Why Light/EM Can Not Have the Gravitational Effect Response

Gravity is a function of a time & space variable distribution of mass across a non-zero span of tidally differentiated space[-time].

Unless one can demontrate redistributions of a photon's relative mass across its superposition occupation my guess is that it doesn't.

Relative mass is a function of accumulated vector inertia energy.
That vector energy would be distributed across the extent of superposition occupation, based on its movement differentiated relationship with contextual space-time itself.

Since space-time itself is not going to change the only possible responsiveness is in the shape of the probability wave occupation.

The movement is the mass source.

One can't move the movement after it happens & since that is where the mass comes from one can't shift that mass.

The mass runs with the movement so shifting it is impossible.

Without shiftable mass gravity acceleration doesn't happen.

QED

 

[Questioner]

Light/EM Crossing the Event Horizon
[Going highly speculative.]

Space should be smaller than nothing inside a black hole if the continuity of space reduction is preserved.

Implying negative space.

All of space-time that we know of progresses forward in time, at varying rates.

Near or at a singularity the limit is zero forward progress in time and space shrinks to nothing.

Maybe negative space is simply space progressing backwards in time.

The faster time progresses, negatively or positively the greater the volume of space just as in positive time space-time.

That is a completely consistent progression.

There might be some acceleration of photons crossing the event horizon which would send them tachyon which would coincide with backwards in time.

Photons would lose some energy [cool] & gain some speed making them superluminal which would demarcate the divide from standard space-time.

The photons invert to tachyons with imaginary mass and their collective velocity in negative space 'cantilevers' the BH's mass in positive, observable space-time.

Tachyons may support their negative space & perhaps photons support their positive space.

That would imply the tenacity, the continuity of space across observable as well as un-observable domains.

I guess that brings up what happens to non-photon matter that crosses the event horizon.

If it really is a pin-hole singularity perhaps all matter going through it quite possibly gets converted/inverted ['homogenzed'] to tachyons.

There might be groupings of tachyons in negative space that correspond to their originating source(es).

For black holes the greater the total quantity of mass the greater the volume of negative space and the further it extends backwards in time.

The tachyons accelerate as the event horizon radiates more energy into forward time space-time.

That does seem to imply the interior of a black hole is sub-absolute zero.

Things do tend to becme more frictionless the colder they get.


Explaining 'Dark Matter' Halos


I will throw in my own variant source explanation of the DM attributed mass halo around galactic centers.

The inverted time of tachyons if proximate to observable space-time plausibly slows time there.

So if BH tachyon space is causing the DM attributed mass halo, then it must be proximate in some slice of adjacent additional dimensionality.

I suppose that gives one some idea of the extent of the negative tachyon space for a given BH.

It along with an existential quantity of mass tells us there is complete coherent containment of this tachyon negative space state/domain.

 

[Questioner]

Further Thoughts on Black Holes

If there is negative space inside black hole's event horizons i wonder if they overlap, share domains.

Also i wonder if they in some way occupy the actual past sequences of events of space-time.
So there would; be a more concrete definition of the temporal domain they exist-in/operate.

That could suggest that black hole extents require some previous passage of time to have passed for them to exist.

In other words black holes require a past to occupy and can only grow larger if/as more time has passed.

That would raise questions about that 7+ light year quasar's extent. How much past time did that require?

I suppose the extent of the past may include spatial extent as well as a temporal one. Instead of a single 'vertical' sequence at a single point maybe a volume [many points] with a shorter sequence of past events also works collectively to encompass the negative space occupation of a black hole.

Maybe that variability between the space & the time aspects of black holes means event horizons might have some geometric extent beyond all being dimensionless singularities.

 

[Classical Motion]

What’s missing is structure. You have a structure for light and gravity, but no structure for mass and matter. From which light and gravity come. Light and gravity should have a sub/result structure of matter.

The structures of light and gravity are false. For space is not an entity. Space is the absence of entity. The absence of property. Space has no structure. No dimension.

Many things can reside in emptiness, but nothing comes from it.

 

[Questioner]

Space is locations.

Locations that have simultaneous relationships with all(?) other locations. (Geometry)

Space is the potential for occupation and movement.

Space, by the evidence, is a function of time speed.
Greater time speed creates/coincides with greater volumes of space.

Greater reverse time speed, I propose, creates/coincides with greater volumes of negative space.

 

[Questioner]

Maybe with BHs their captured photons invert to tachyons that traverse extensively through the/some past space/volume,
but captured physical matter, while possibly homogenzed remains in some manner coherent/collected and local to its own event horizon.

So the regular BH mass stays constant,
but the greater that mass the further & perhaps faster the tachyons are-launched/can-reach in past space & time and that extensive reach is the temporal 'shadow' mass attributed to DM.

In a sense the cluster of BH mass acts as a tachyon accelerator [chiller?].

General negative [void] space probably stays near/local-to positive space-time, but extends in a negative temporal direction.
Any 'shadow' mass locally depends on how richly/densely tachyons flow through the adjacent/local past.

Halos seem relatively defined implying tachyon traversal is somehow related proximitly to its BH source.
It could be the DM attributed mass is a function of tachyons colliding [& annihilating] with the current instant(s) of space-time.
Could be the negative space boundary.

The event horizon may always be a singularity but the negative space expanding into the past may have variant geometry proportions of space & reverse time. Or maybe that's a function of tachyon trajectories through negative space & past time.

It could be that space itself flows through the pin-hole singularity into the past negative volume.
Perhaps pulled there by tachyon pressure(s).

The quantity of space flow, if any, is probably a function of mass.

Don't know if space ever flows back out of a BH to shrink its [temporal?] extent.
Hawking radiation?

 

[Questioner]

Correlations Through Time


Most of the hydrogen has its origins early in the lifetime of the universe.

A black hole once it exists creases to experience much time passage [zero] due to extreme time dilation.

The [massive] stellar sequence that produces a BH has a relatively limited window of time.

The aggregated mass that comprises a BH has a relatively shallow depth of/in time.

It may be that the aggregated mass of a BH due to its short/shallow history remains proximate [cinched to?] in time & therefore closer to its location in [positive] space.

Photons however have both more extensive footprints of/in space and time,
more prolonged histories.

As a side note I will assert that time does pass for a photon, because its location/position/probability-wave does correlate with the passage of time in a sequential coherent manner.

If there was absolutely no passage of time for a photon every position of its path/trajectory would be exactly equivalent and could be randomly experienced without any difference.
In other words it could jump around randomly on its path.
It doesn't do that so there is some kind of function that maps the position of a photon with a given instant of time.

So something is tracking the experience of the photon.

If/when as i propose a photon goes tachyon as it crosses the event horizon of a BH it must travel backwards in time.

Maybe the photon travels backward through its own history of [now inverted] space and time.

The BH does act as an accelerator of photons to tachyonism by chilling (extracting energy) from them & launching them inverted into their own histories.

The DM attributed halo does seem to correlate with the positive passage of time.

Maybe the/a photon in tachyon state goes as far a[n adjacent?] positive distance in space as its origin was away and then collides inversely with its origin in time and annihilates there in space,
depositing mass as a result.

Because it is tachyon it arrives there much sooner than light would.

Quite possibly the majority of the photons crossing the event horizon of a galactic BH arise from that very same galaxy and so the mass halo from expended tachyons [former photons] correlates with the distribution of light intersecting with the BH.

The former photons of a star possibly get transmuted to mass somewhere at a similar radius, but since stars closer to the BH have more light transmuted to mass there is a greater halo mass in the direction of the BH.

If the inverted transmutations of former photons is the source of mass that means by this analogy that mass happens at radii away from the actual BH.

Which is why it isn't a simple amplification of the BH's own mass.

It really would be a fuzzy halo centered on, around the BH.
In other words it is spread out by photon origins.
But the effect is more 'immediate' because of tachyon speeds.

Light goes ['slowly'] in towards the BH but comes back as mass much more quickly.

By this analogy maybe there is not a systematic, geometric 'negative space-time', but simply each photon inverting into its own individual history.

Although if photons support the existence of positive space-time then i suppose tachyons may support some kind of negative space-time,
but my guess is it is not some mirror geometry.