The Creation of the Universe

[vandivx]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Aether was thrown into the circular file over 100 years ago.&nbsp; This sounds like a rehash.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by derekmcd</DIV><br />well, wasn't photon thought to be wave, then it was 'thrown into the circular file' for some hundred yrs and it was thought to be a particle which was then 'thrown into the circular file' and was thought to be wave for some hundred yrs give or take (I just throw in those centuries, nobody quote me on that or learn history of physics from that, pls) and then it was particle again at the turn of last century and shortly after that it was settled by deciding that it is both particle and wave depending how one looks at it LOL a fitting capping of centuries of confusion, now that all permutations of ignorance are exhausted physicists can sleep well for many centuries to come. safe in the belief that nobody can beat that, or can they</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>same with the ether, it is rocky going and its past is heap of bungled theories concerning it but its future hasn't been settled yet I dare say&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>btw., this is not meant as endorsment of the thread poster's theories which I believe are completely wrong and not worth even refuting, so don't call on me to support my claim as is becoming habit on these forums lately&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mickeyl]

<font size="2">vandivx:&nbsp; Physicsts agree that Energy is an equivalent form of mass, and so therefore (massless) dark-energy-radiation conveniently fills-in the 95% of the Universe they believe to be missing.&nbsp; It's really pretty simple.&nbsp; www.dark-energyuniverse.com</font>

 

[UFmbutler]

<p>What is it with non-mainstream "theories" and their "excessive" use of quotation marks?&nbsp; There is absolutely no reason to put quotes around "speed of light" or "dark energy".&nbsp; I glanced through your "condensed" version...I guess you could call it condensed in much the same way as if you threw a bag of garbage into a trash compactor.&nbsp; It's still garbage.&nbsp; Although something could be refuted in basically every sentence you wrote on that website, I'll just pick one that demonstrates your lack of basic physics understanding:</p><p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font size="4">Because electro-magnetic waves, have no inherent means of transportation.</DIV></font></p><p>Man, I mustn't have been paying attention at all in my E&M classes.&nbsp; For example, light waves travel due to the oscillation of the associated E and B fields. &nbsp;</p><p>The problem with these crackpot theories is they sound great and elegant...until you take a real physics course.&nbsp; If you told this to someone off the street they would most likely be mystified and assume you knew what you're talking about.&nbsp; However, this a science forum.&nbsp; If you come here making off the wall statements about things you clearly don't understand, you are going to get called out on it and torn apart, and rightfully so.&nbsp; Please do yourself, and especially us, a favor and leave the formulation of theories such as this to people who are actually qualified.&nbsp; This theory has about as much credibility as me saying gravity is a direct result of a series of huge vacuum cleaners pointing in different directions that someone forgot to turn off. &nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp; This theory has about as much credibility as me saying <u>gravity is a direct result of a series of huge vacuum cleaners pointing in different directions that someone forgot to turn off</u>. &nbsp; <br />Posted by <strong>UFmbutler</strong></DIV><br /><br />I recall that theory.&nbsp; Wasn't it advanced by the Dutch physicist .... hmmm .... Hoo Voor something or another. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>More seriously I went to see Mr Lawson's webpage.&nbsp; It said nothing more than he's previously posted here and then said it again .... and then again.&nbsp; I'd try to show him the light but I don't think he'd look. </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[vastbluesky92]

There isn't even a scrap of evidence in the site. Just claim after claim. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>--____________________________________________--</p><p><font size="1"> Don't be too hard on me...I'm only in PHY 1010 </font></p><p> </p><p><font color="#339966">         The following goes without saying:</font> </p> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There isn't even a scrap of evidence in the site. Just claim after claim. <br />Posted by vastbluesky92</DIV></p><p>I guess you found the site more intelligible than did I.&nbsp; I did not find claim after claim&nbsp; To identify a claim I require an intelligible statement.&nbsp; I could not find any, just word salad.&nbsp; Rather like the related posts in this thread.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mickeyl]

<p><font size="2">Mee-n-Mac said:&nbsp; "OK&nbsp;let me see if I've got this correct.&nbsp; The "dark matter radiation" is coming (from somewhere) and radiating spherically from the location of photon #1 in my example.&nbsp; Just a few atoms down the filament, it's doing the same thing at photon #2's position.&nbsp; Neither "dark matter radiation" stream interferes or interacts with the other."</font></p><p><font size="2">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></p><p><font size="2">No, what you've know as empty "Space" does not exist.&nbsp; Sometimes difficult to comprehend, "space" is dark-energy-radiation.&nbsp; It makes up the 95% of the universe that science can't find.&nbsp; It is the radiated "space" between the protons and electrons in an atom.&nbsp; It is massless, has an ultra-weak negative charge, and travels at 300,000,000 meters per second.&nbsp; So, in SI units, the 2006 CODATA recommended value of the gravitational constant is:</font></p><p><font size="2">G=(6.67428) x 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2</font></p><p><font size="2">So, considering dark-energy-radiation as Gravity; the force acting on one kg, for one-second^2 would be:</font></p><p><font size="2">6.67428 x 10^-11 / 1 = 6.67428 x 10^-11;&nbsp; (this needs to be divided by c-square):&nbsp; [300,000,000 mps^2)</font></p><p><font size="2">6.67428 x 10^-11 / 9 x 10^16 = 7.415866667x10^-28</font></p><p><font size="2">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></p><p><font size="2">So, 7.415866667x10^-28 is the negative-electrical charge of dark-energy-radiation energizing/vibrating one-kg of atoms for 1 second.</font></p><p><font size="2">Thanks.</font></p>

 

[nimbus]

Is this the sort of ripe grey matter that gets Vogon's salivary glands twitching?<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Limo_God]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I actually only made it through the first 1.5 paragraphs.&nbsp; Wouldn't it be funny if he had some earth shattering discovery 3/4 the way through the paper - no one would ever know.... <br />Posted by origin</DIV><br /><br />Alright... because you went and said this, I thought "hmmm, what if?" and then I went back read the OP right to the end. And you know what? There was an earth-shattering discovery of sorts there... I discovered that you can make your brain go numb... I could take a hockey puck to the skull <em>right now</em> and not feel a thing. </p><p>I propose a wider study, with the aim of utilizing this discovery in anesthesia and to show elementary-school children what it feels like to be on drugs... I wish I could take my brain out and rinse it under a tap...</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>Sermo datur cuntis; animi sapientia paucis</strong></p><p><em>Speech is given to many; intelligence to few</em></p> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Alright... because you went and said this, I thought "hmmm, what if?" and then I went back read the OP right to the end. And you know what? There was an earth-shattering discovery of sorts there... I discovered that you can make your brain go numb... I could take a hockey puck to the skull right now and not feel a thing. I propose a wider study, with the aim of utilizing this discovery in anesthesia and to show elementary-school children what it feels like to be on drugs... I wish I could take my brain out and rinse it under a tap... <br /> Posted by Limo_God</DIV></p><p>I only made through a few sentences before I forgot my own name.&nbsp; It took me a good 30 seconds to shake it off.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No, what you've know as empty "Space" does not exist.&nbsp; Sometimes difficult to comprehend, "space" is dark-energy-radiation.&nbsp; It makes up the 95% of the universe that science can't find.&nbsp; It is the radiated "space" between the protons and electrons in an atom.&nbsp; It is massless, has an ultra-weak negative charge, and travels at 300,000,000 meters per second.&nbsp; Posted by <strong>mickeyl</strong></DIV><br /><br />I don't recall saying anything about empty space but OK, let's run with the above for just a moment. When you say it travels at 300,000,000 m/s this implies a direction.&nbsp; What determines in which direction this dark-energy-radiation, which is carrying the photons we observe, goes ? How come I don't observe an electric or magnetic feild associated with the current flow (given this D-E-M has a charge and is moving) ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>