Time travel - where to and where

[drwayne]

Of course. One need look no further than my face.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

But if you are in the present timeframe and go back in time to save your father's life from a fire, then the people of THAT time will never know life without your father being there, and that would have affect your present mind because he would be there in YOUR present timeframe. But wouldn'tgrowing with him then conflict with your memories of his dying and of growing up without him? Because now ONLY your present self would have those memories of his dying? Or, as has been said, would YOUR thoughts and memories be protected by something like a bubble that would insulate you from those new actions and thoughts. Or would you have two sets of memories because it WAS your past, or would that bubble effect prevent that?<br /><br />Or what if you went back in time and caused someone you knew not to be born, or die before their time. They would have no record of existing today, but you would still remember them in your memory. Or would you??<br /><br />I wish I could remember a line from the movie "Final Countdown." They were discussing this thought, and one of them screamed that a person could go crazy trying to think about this from all standpoints, or something like that.

 

[drwayne]

I remember that movie well. Why- I don't know - I even remember the scene of which you speak.<br /><br />Let me try one more time.<br /><br />If I go back in time, and live out the rest of my life in a hole in the ground, never talking to, or interacting with anyone in any way, it is possible that the branch of spacetime in which me and my hole reside may in fact evolve differently than the branch I was originally on. This would not be due to my actions, but rather to different forces on the timeline due to the placement in the multiverse tree. (Or the fact that random variations are new random samples on the new stream - i.e. a lot of yes/no decisions made at lower levels may not be made the same way on the new branch)<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[craig42]

I should think the very fact that you went back could cause these 'temporal distorionsts' AFAK there were no time machines in 1930s Kansas. So your journey back there (to the hole in the ground) would create a presence of a time travel device (that might be discoverd/stumbled/stolen by a local, or detected by future time police? Causing there new actions, altering the (your)future changing things you didn't even know about.<br /><br />Unless...<br /><br />A future you has already built a machine gone back and we are now in the distorted/alternate timeline so whatever you do won't change anything as you've already done it.

 

[pmn1]

<font color="yellow"> But if you are in the present timeframe and go back in time to save your father's life from a fire, then the people of THAT time will never know life without your father being there, and that would have affect your present mind because he would be there in YOUR present timeframe. But wouldn'tgrowing with him then conflict with your memories of his dying and of growing up without him? Because now ONLY your present self would have those memories of his dying? Or, as has been said, would YOUR thoughts and memories be protected by something like a bubble that would insulate you from those new actions and thoughts. Or would you have two sets of memories because it WAS your past, or would that bubble effect prevent that? </font><br /><br />How did the film 'Frequency' with Dennis Quaid deal with this?<br /><br />Didn't he also as a result save his mothers life from murderer?<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

The son did not go back in time, but did talk to his father, the fire fighter, on the ham radio by the sun spots that caused the skips to open up to his father's time. On the night before the anniversary of the father's death-in the present time line- the son talked to the father and caused the father, the next day, to turn left and not right and ended up in the river and not burned up in the building. This is where the idea of a protective like bubble came from, I think, but the son also had twin memories of having his father die and also grow up with him.<br /> <br />That is where I had difficulty justifying the logic there. I can see having one timeline in your head because that is your reality, and the other is everyone elses. But I don't think you could really possess two timelines in your memory.<br /><br />But he also changed his father's destiny even further, by getting him to stop smoking, and keeping the father from dying from cancer later on. <br />The plot of the show was that he, (the son, a cop), had to help direct his father to correct the errors of time they committed by saving the father's life the first time, which also saved the bad guy,(murderer), from dying that night (in the past) and so continued to cause a murder spree in the son's present time(?). And that same bad guy did kill his mother as well as part of that new murder spree, an additional change to the timeline. The movie dealt with how actions of a changed past can affect the reality of the present time.<br /><br />To go back to that line in "Final Countdown", if you thought to much on this, it COULD drive you mad!!!!<br /><br />There is a fun nonsense movie called "12:01", I think, where the mad scienctist(sp) caused that day to repeat itself continuously. That action was called a time bounce, or some such thing, and the hero was a guy who wanted to talk to a girl but missed the chance and said there will always be tomorrow, and there wasn't. But thru some accidents that happened, he was prote

 

[hracctsold]

Dr.Wayne,<br /><br />How you ever considered the fact that if you did go back in time to your hole and not interact with anyone, how that action might affect YOUR future?<br />If you were not in the present to do or not do some action, that inaction or avoidance of action may cause you to alter your future being or well being.

 

[drwayne]

Understood, in much the same way that it would if I died or disappeared.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

I remember seeing "Final Countdown" at the theater with a friend of mine. I can even remember the theater in Poughkeepsie.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

I have an - idea that things that you can remember where you were, and what you are doing, are temporal land marks that your mind can in fact take you to, if you can figure out how.<br /><br />It is a variation of the theme of that Christopher Reeve time travel movie - "Somewhere in Time" - if you can imagine so strongly being in a time and place, you can take yourself there...<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

Yea, I read a book as a teen that had the characters transporting through time that way and do their work. But one word of caution they supplied, don't think so hard about your work there in places you would not like to be transported from. There was the example of a man in his bathtub that concentrated a little to hard on it and ended up in a field without the tub!!! Now that would be bad.<br /><br />As for "Somewhere in Time", that is my wife's favorite movie for just being a movie. She is not much for scifi but in our years together has learned to like Star Wars, the little ewoks from the third show did it, and Star Trek, but it has to be TOS one though. But I have found I am partial to NexGen ones. <br /><br />When we get to go north, we try to stop by the gazbo on the island, and no you cannot drive there. But the whole of North Michigan is really a wonder to see if you ever get the chance.

 

[hracctsold]

Have you ever saw the movie "Millenium" (means a thousand years)? It had Cheryl Tiggs and Kris Krishofferson in it. The future people took people off of planes and other doomed transports and transplanted them in other time frames. That is until one screwed up and accidently left evidence of themselves behind and Kris figured it out. A different sort of show.

 

[drwayne]

Elelments ring a bell, but I don't think I am remembering the same thing. About 8 - 10 years ago, there was a made for TV movie that had mysterious people who checked into a small inn or b&b - turned out that they were time travelors who took trips to see famous disasters - and there is something bad about to happen there - an explosion of some kind. I only saw it the once, and it was a lot of memory refresh times ago...<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

This is the one I was remembering:<br /><br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204686/combined<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

Interesting site I found looking for the above:<br /><br />http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/timetravel.htm<br /><br />I found in it the following mention:<br /><br />This site features a sequel/prequel to Somewhere In Time, written by David L. Gurnee . The story is an extrapolation of what happened to Elise McKenna after Richard Collier disappeared from her life. The story does not change the original film at all, and is perfectly circular with Somewhere in Time. Universal Studios is currently considering this novella for a film or a made-for-tv movie. Word is that Universal is to make a sequel to this incredible film! <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

On a related idea, did you ever see "The Reincarnation of Peter Proud"?<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[drwayne]

"There was the example of a man in his bathtub that concentrated a little to hard on it and ended up in a field without the tub!!!"<br /><br />In my thought - its hardly an hypothesis - just a fun notion, when you move within your timeline, you jump to the specific time and place your body was at - you jump into yourself.<br /><br />I would like to think that you can take some of your knowlege with you, but I am afraid that it must be low level - the basis for things like dejavu....<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

Time Shifters was a tv movie, and I thought pretty good at that, for a tv show. And there was another one that followed a man and his daughter as they dealt with some time tourists in their town. It was called Disasters in Time. <br /><br />It does seem a lot of these have about the same concept and thought behind them don't they.

 

[hracctsold]

Wayne,<br /><br />Getting back to your original thot. about digging a hole in the past and crawling in it, is what???? There have been several answers from several points of view, and these all don't seem to be what you are looking for.<br /><br /> Are you saying that fate or whatever you call that beyond your control will change your future or even present at that point and time where you are without any input on your part?

 

[drwayne]

"Are you saying that fate or whatever you call that beyond your control will change your future or even present at that point and time where you are without any input on your part?"<br /><br />Yes. I am saying that all the little decisions and random results that add up to the history of the timeline I know now, before I go back in time, are not guaranteed to go the same way, even if I do not personally influence *anything*.<br /><br />The semi-random decision that Hitler made on which way to go to work on some day - he may make it differently purely at random - and get run over by a car.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>