TIME TRAVEL

[MeteorWayne]

Yes <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[nec208]

That is why I don't believe in Time Travel because the laws of physics time is measurement of events and you cannot go in time because that events has not happen.<br /><br />If you can go back in time and in the future the world would have to have NO FREE will and be prerecorded <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I knew you said that. It's on Tape SJg%88^KKKlh.nec208.<br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mcsquire]

I am personally glad that we have not mastered time travel. The human race is:<br /><br />a. Too greedy and<br />b. Too destructive.<br /><br />Imagine if that looney George Bush had a time machine! I'm sure he'd take Leonardo DiCaprio's position of "King of the world".<br /><br />I can not say I understand time & time travel theory but if it is possible lets hope a cat discovers the truth rather than a human!<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Tone

 

[mrcurious]

Its about reactive & proactive.....Traveling to the past is reactive. I would think since life events aren't recorded anywhere that we know of, that there isn't a way to access the past. We can in our minds, but thats as close as we can get.<br />Traveling to the future is proactive. You don't need any data to access to go to the future because the future is always undetermined, until its here. When I go to sleep, I may have some idea as to what's out there beofre I wake up, but I truly have no idea what the future will be like when I wake up. To travel 100 years into the future would be traveling pass 100 years of undetermination.....................................for all we know the earth could explode before then and when we arrived we'd find ourselves in a bit of a mess. Also once you got into the future, you can't come back because again history is not recorded. Then there's the problem with traveling faster than light, which is the only way time travel can even begin to be plausible.<br /><br />Also for some strange reason I don't think the laws of the universe would allow such power to exist in the hands of mortal beings, human, elves, dwarfs, or any other fictional or non-fictional intelligent species. Not to say that we couldn't do it, but to say that we'll never figure that out. There's too much potential to muck things up.<br /><br />

 

[kyle_baron]

<font color="yellow"><br />I believe time travel is impossble, is that we're always, "somewhere in time"! </font><br /><br />I think that's not correct. We're constantly traveling in time. Time travel is natural, in the direction of the furture (The Arrow of Time). <br /><br />I think the three "Back to The Future" movies with Marty Mcfly, has the concept of time, correct. The Past has 4 different dimensions of space-time, the Present has 4 different dimensions of space-time, and the Future has 4 different dimensions of space-time. I hate to use the term, but space-time evolves, and becomes a new species. To go in reverse, would be unnatural, and require an artificial method, to jump from the present spatial dimension to (not necessarily the previous), but a different dimension. In other words, I don't believe it is possible to TRAVEL back in time. HOWEVER, someday a clever physicist will find a way to manipulate light (FTL?) in order to LOOK back in time, through another dimension.<br /><br />Of course, you'll need a Flux Capacitor traveling at 88 mph, to actually achieve time travel. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

"<i>space-time evolves, and becomes a new species.</i>"<br /><br />How ironic you making that statement <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

Yeah, I guess that I've been "dirtied" in the Phenomenon Category for too long. And I should stay away from there, for a while. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[mrcurious]

<font color="yellow">In other words, I don't believe it is possible to TRAVEL back in time.</font><br /><br />I agree.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">In order to LOOK back in time, through another dimension</font><br /><br />So then you believe the past is stored somewhere in another dimension? <br /><br />What is time? Isn't time just another way to measure the movement of energy or matter? As long as energy/matter moves through space we can associate a "timeframe" for this movement. But, if that energy where frozen to the point where the enrgy could not decay, we've effectively stopped its "timeframe," while all other objects continued to move through space. Now, if we could freeze all the energy in the entire universe, wouldn't we effectively stopped time completely? If, nothing is moving, then a "timeframe" couldn't be established.<br /><br />So, by manipulating the speed of energy we can travel faster shortening the "timeframe" to get from point A to point B. The cosmic speed limit, the speed of light, needs to be surpassed for us to begin delving into time travel, but aren't we missing one crucial part.......the "spacialframe?"<br /><br />If we master traveling faster than light travel, how do we master "Spacial" referencing. In otherwords, if time is the measurement of energy moving through space, how does traveling faster than light give us access to the past, without knowing the spacial reference of all matter/energy in the universe during a given time period?<br /><br />In a multiverse, how do we know that we are going to the correct dimension for that time period. Example:<br /><br />In 2004, my Philadelphia Eagles lose to the Patriots in the super bowl. If, I create the time machine in 2010 and wanted travel back to 2004. How do I accurately go to the correct point in time without winding up in another dimension, where the outcome in 2004 might be different? If, there are infinite universes each with their own outcome, then how can I b

 

[fatal291]

well ive heard it is possible to go into the future, many of u have even admitted it. The problem is what will happen. Not saying humans can travel in time, but anything that did go into the future not having a route already planned for it what would happen? If people went into the future, without there being a future would we just die? Would it be considered an "error" and simply deleted.. or could going into the future have a ripple effect on the past just by trying to? because youve sent something into the future ahead of time itself could this cause time to be different or change at all now that its no longer ahead of the object sent from it?

 

[mrcurious]

<font color="yellow">well ive heard it is possible to go into the future, many of u have even admitted it. The problem is what will happen. Not saying humans can travel in time, but anything that did go into the future not having a route already planned for it what would happen? If people went into the future, without there being a future would we just die? Would it be considered an "error" and simply deleted.. or could going into the future have a ripple effect on the past just by trying to? because youve sent something into the future ahead of time itself could this cause time to be different or change at all now that its no longer ahead of the object sent from it? </font><br /><br />Nothing, will happen I would imagine. Think of it like this.....I am faster than my son. So, I will always arrive at whatever location faster than him....in essence I moved through time faster than he did. <br /><br />Future travel would work the same way. 100 years is still 100 years, I just physically transported myself 100 years into the future faster than what it would take non-future traveller. Example<br /><br />It would take 100 years for the non-future traveller to travel 100 years into the future.<br /><br />It would take 2 years for the future traveller to get to that same 100 years into the future.<br /><br />While it may not be mathmaticlly correct, thats the idea. Now during the 2 accelerated years it took to get 100 years into the future, you have no idea what has transpired over those 100 natural years of passed time, until you arrived 100 years into the future.

 

[siarad]

There's a Professor in the USA who says he's invented but not built a time travel machine.<br />It's limitation is travel beyond it's start-time isn't possible.<br />Start it today & tomorrow you could go back a day, now wasn't there a film about that, Groundhog Day or something <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[mrcurious]

Time travel to the past is impossible....to the future way more plausible.

 

[nec208]

May be we are living in the matrix or a cartoon and you can go in the future or back in time like reading a comic book.And we are just doing what ever in life that the comic book is saying.So if I get in to a car accident in a month the comic book is saying I get into a car accident and there is no free will.<br /><br /><br />If the world has free will and choice than you don't know what the future will be like and if the world is not recorded like a comic book you cannot look into the future or go into the future because the future has not happen.<br /><br />If some how the past was recorded on a medium you will be able to look at the past but cannot change it because it is recorded and you just looking at it.The past is gone and cannot be change .<br /><br />If a time machine is possible the laws of nature will be diifferent. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<font color="yellow"><br />Same question arises when we use the single universe scenerio as well. Where is the information that is going to recreate the exact position of all the objects in the universe during that particular point in the past. If any one thing where out of place, then it wouldn't be the correct past? Yet, that information is not stored anywhere in the universe........Time travel to the past......not possible, that goes for looking into the past as well. </font><br /><br />Ahem, a simple time machine that looks back in time, is a telescope. In order to look back at anything else, not in the night sky, you would have to stop time 1st. And guess what can stop time? Answer: a Black hole. The Large Hadron Collider at Cern will produce many miny black holes. Some how, physicists would have to keep them from evaporating, into Hawking Radiation. Once that is achieved, time stops. From there, maybe looking with a telescope, one might be able to look from the present, and into the past, within the vicinity of a stable blackhole (Note: a lot of speculation here).<br /><font color="yellow"><br />In 2004, my Philadelphia Eagles lose to the Patriots in the super bowl. If, I create the time machine in 2010 and wanted travel back to 2004. How do I accurately go to the correct point in time without winding up in another dimension, where the outcome in 2004 might be different? If, there are infinite universes each with their own outcome, then how can I be sure I won't travel to a universe where the 2004 eagles won that super bowl?(not that I don't want to see that) </font><br /><br />We both agreed that you'd never be able to travel back in another dimension to experience that outcome. HOWEVER, you might be able to watch it someday!<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[mrcurious]

<font color="yellow">If the world has free will and choice than you don't know what the future will be like and if the world is not recorded like a comic book you cannot look into the future or go into the future because the future has not happen</font><br /><br />Yes, the future is undetermined when dealing with large scale sums of time. However, when you wake up tommorrow your life will follow a certain type of routine and so therefore, part of your future is determined already.....by you. <br /><br />There will be a great amount of things that can alter those events, but that information is not known to you, which is why there's always an uncertainty. <br /><br />The uncertainty isn't going to prevent you from seeing into the future or going into the future. Its just going to prevent you from knowing the exact outcome, until you arrive at that point in time.<br /><br />Remember, unlike traveling to the past, future travel is accelerating forward. Since we already move forward through time naturally, for future travel we're just accelerating that process 100 fold.

 

[kyle_baron]

<font color="yellow"><br />So then you believe the past is stored somewhere in another dimension?</font><br /><br />Not the physical objects in the past. But the photons emitted by those objects can be stored in a blackhole. It would be EXACTLY like looking at yourself in a mirror, taking that image, stopping the movement of the image in the mirror, then taking a telescope and looking at the image (from the past, or previous image). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[pedro_the_swift]

Since, by the current theory of black holes, light cant actually escape a black hole and any object (telescope) would be ripped into its atomic basic structure hole would you propose to "view" any such photons.<br />Also since there is so much matter being "sucked" into a black hole and lost in a chaotic manner what possible coherence could any photons retain so as to be "looked" at. <br />The "matter" that is said to "leak" from black holes is so much hard radiation that I doubt there is any data that could be gleaned from it to "view"

 

[derekmcd]

"<i>The "matter" that is said to "leak" from black holes is so much hard radiation that I doubt there is any data that could be gleaned from it to "view"</i>"<br /><br />Stephen Hawking lost a bet disputing this very idea. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<font color="yellow"><br />Since, by the current theory of black holes, light cant actually escape a black hole and any object (telescope) would be ripped into its atomic basic structure hole would you propose to "view" any such photons. </font><br /><br />As I said before, this is speculation. I would imagine that the telescope would have to be placed at the event horizon (where ever that may be).<br /><font color="yellow"><br />Also since there is so much matter being "sucked" into a black hole and lost in a chaotic manner what possible coherence could any photons retain so as to be "looked" at. </font><br /><br />You're thinking of stellar blackholes, with matter (atoms or molecules) being sucked in to the blackhole. At the LHC at Cern, they're using MANY proton to proton collisions confined into a small space, creating mini (tiny) blackholes.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole<br /><font color="yellow"><br />The "matter" that is said to "leak" from black holes is so much hard radiation that I doubt there is any data that could be gleaned from it to "view"</font><br />The jury's out on that concept. Who knows? We may soon find out. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[siarad]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Also since there is so much matter being "sucked" into a black hole and lost in a chaotic manner what possible coherence could any photons retain so as to be "looked" at.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />As intimated above, the 'sucking' depends on the size of the BH.<br />Standing here on earth I experience quite weak gravity.<br />If it was shrunk to a BH I'd feel a lot but the a 'amount' hasn't changed, I'm just <b><i>closer</i></b> to a lot more of it, so would have no different effect & mostly continue as before in the solar system.

 

[mrcurious]

<font color="yellow">Not the physical objects in the past.</font><br /><br />I agree so far....<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> But the photons emitted by those objects can be stored in a blackhole.</font><br /><br />BHs, are cosmic hard drives? Nah, I don't think so. I much rather believe that the energy & matter that crosses the event horizon winds up being converted back to some kind of fundamental energy at the singularity. OR even that that singularity is a bridge between the black hole on our end and a white hole on the other end. But, I doubt that black holes store the photons inside them.

 

[a_lost_packet_]

Actually, the OP is not really classic "Time Travel." You're just experiencing time at different rates relative to each other. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[mrcurious]

<font color="yellow">You're thinking of stellar blackholes, with matter (atoms or molecules) being sucked in to the blackhole. At the LHC at Cern, they're using MANY proton to proton collisions confined into a small space, creating mini (tiny) blackholes</font><br /><br />huh? So a mini black hole stops sucking in matter? I think miniblack holes do the same thing, but they are so unstable they dont last long enough to grab an in falling matter.

 

[derekmcd]

"<i>I think miniblack holes do the same thing</i>"<br /><br />Indeed they do, but at a much MUCH smaller scale. A mini BH's gravity well is so incredibly small, to do its job, matter near it best be very close and moving very slow. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>