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As long as it doesn't end with something like "once I murder 43 babies, the aliens will make contact," then it really shouldn't matter. If it ends on a peaceful note, you can at least accept that she believes what she says. And even if god is playing a cruel joke on you, if what she says is correct, then it's not so bad.
 
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Well put, K_R.<br /><br />ES' posts often do read like an eye-witness account. And nearly every critic seems to have very little experience in analyzing such a description.<br /><br />An associate told me yesterday a story about the Caribbean natives being unable to see Columbus' ship. It was too unfamiliar. They could see it's action upon the water, but couldn't work out what they were looking at.<br /><br />Spider Robinson describes the brain's need to catagorize threat/non threat in one of his stories, and he does a really good job.<br /><br />My brother describes coming upon a mountian lion while hiking, and "seeing" it as an oddly shaped deer for several seconds while his brain tried to work out what it really was. It wouldn't let him move until he succeeded in identifying the animal.<br /><br />I see kernals of reality and possibilities in what ES reports, filtered heavily through her ability to comprehend. Isn't this what you would expect? What does a dolphin tell its pod after a human interacts with it? Or your dog go tell the other dogs after you yell at it?<br /><br />If ETI is real, and they are communicating with a few people on the planet, through some sort of means that looks as impossible to us today as television looked a hundred years ago, then wouldn't you think the contactee's description of the contact would be at the limits of his or her's ability to describe?<br /><br />It's pretty tasteless and shameful the way you pounce on inconsistencies and trumpet them about as "proof" that you are being lied to.<br /><br />In my experience, it's a bit more likely that ES is merely reporting her experiences to the best of her ability, and instead of being her compatriots in discovery, you succeed in demonstrating to a (neither proved nor disproved) ETI that humanity is still close-minded.<br /><br />Me? I'd like to live in a world where fantasic things are possible. Where the unknown bumps up against me everyday. Where the fabulous becomes commonplace, and so even more fab
 
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bobvanx

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>I refuse to be a "compatriot" to her delusions.<br /><br />So how does it harm you to let the story go on?
 
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bobvanx

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>she insults my intelligence<br /><br />I've a suggestion, eddie. Don't let what someone else says define your experience of your own intelligence.
 
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bobvanx

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>The people who are searching for ET must believe ET could exist.<br /><br />I often think of scientists like Volta and Watt, who were investigating unseen things that created physical effects, and so their work was experiential in nature. "Belief" wasn't required, since they could make their experiments duplicatable. As opposed to yeti searchers, for example, who have only observation available. They have to believe that eventually they'll find something.<br /><br />SETI seems contrained to the observational rather than the experiential... unless, of course, the Galaxy has wonders that mortal man cannot yet fathom.<br /><br />And I'd say the last hundred years shows that there's alot we don't fathom.
 
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But thats the entire point bobvanx, when scientists search for 'unseen' phenomenon, say, gravity or electricity, at least you can test a theory, verify it, test it some more, see what makes it tick. With all the explanations that ES gives, which are vague at best, the 'evidence' is so shakey and so full of holes you could drive a Mack truck through it. <br /><br />Not only have we (humanity) found no reliable concrete evidence of ET or even life for that matter (outside Earth) but we are 'led' to believe that there are more than 200 ET races out there, just in our galaxy BTW, who are just waiting (for God knows what) to make diplomatic relations with Earth. Only problem with this scenario is, where is this diplomat??<br /><br />bobvanx said <font color="yellow">And I'd say the last hundred years shows that there's alot we don't fathom.</font><br /><br />you may be right here but IMO, there is also a heap that we have fathomed.<br /><br />
 
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mental_avenger

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yuba says: <font color="yellow"> The people who are searching for ET must believe ET could exist. </font><br /><br />They do. We are attempting to make the distinction between those who claim ET Aliens are visiting us here on Earth, and those who believe that it is possible that ET Aliens exist elsewhere in the Universe, hopefully close enough to Earth to detect their signals. We’d like to keep the first group (the unsupported fantasy story tellers) separate from the second group (the serious scientists).<br /><br />yuba says: <font color="yellow"> If you choose to take it as fact and then become insulted by it, that's your problem. </font><br /><br />We are not insulted by the fact that people believe in the possibility that ET Aliens exist somewhere in the Universe, but rather by those who post fabricated stories and attempt to pass them off as real events.<br /><br />yuba says: <font color="yellow"> If everyone had the same view as you the world would be a hellish place. </font><br /><br />Your statement indicates that you don’t have any idea of what Eddie’s view is.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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mental_avenger

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Have you heard the theme song of the <font size="+1">A</font><font size="+2">A</font><font size="+1">A</font> (Alien Abductees Anonymous)?<br /><br />And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa<br />They're coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa<br />To the funny farm<br />Where life is beautiful all the time<br />And I'll be happy to see those nice young men<br />In their clean white coats<br />And they're coming to take me away ha haaa<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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mental_avenger

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<font color="yellow"> How can you put we in your response to my response? </font><br /><br />Because I happen to know that Eddie agrees with me on this point.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> I guess you're pretty active in fighting the church as well. </font><br /><br />Where on Earth did that come from?<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> Obviously if everyone had the same view the world would be a hellish place. </font><br /><br />“Obvious” to only you maybe.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> If you think otherwise i'll now call you mental_retard... </font><br />Obviously I think otherwise. Does calling people nasty names somehow makes you feel superior? Your comment is a direct ad hominem, I suggest you remove it.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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mental_avenger

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<font color="yellow"> SEE......I don't see the distinction between "reality" and "the acid trip". </font><br /><br />That is your choice, of course. However, in the real world, there is a BIG difference. And that is exactly the problem. Some people really cannot tell the difference between the REAL world and an imagined or fantasy world.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> When I dream, I am perceiving "a reality" energized by a set of neurotranmitters when I'm asleep. </font><br /><br />Perhaps, but that “reality” is populated by only mental “images” of people and solid objects.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> When I'm awake then I perceive a reality modulated by another set of neurotransmitters. </font><br /><br />Actually, it is the same set of transmitters, only this time they are relaying information about people and objects currently existing as solid objects at that place and time.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> At the basis of Being, we're nothing but a flurry of atoms, ions, and molecules. </font><br /><br />Yes, but the whole is greater than the parts.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
 
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zavvy

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Hey, MA...<br /><br />Please may I borrow your tagline:<br /><br />"<b>One of the lowest forms of life on Earth is someone who lies. </b>"..?? <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br />(not for ES though.. I believe she's sincere)
 
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alokmohan

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After the great crash so manythings changed.But Earthsister is most popular entry.
 
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earthsister

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<br />I just want to talk about the aliens. They are awesome. Everybody knows they are here. Everybody.
 
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Leovinus

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I'm going to close this thread down. It's turning into a soap opera he said/she said between zavvy and KR. If this thread still has stuff to discuss, open a new one without the bickering between these two. Stop hijacking threads to fight with each other. Thank you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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