To EarthSister: What happened to Mars?

the_id · Jul 19, 2004

All right; starting a new post here. EarthSister, I’m curious to learn more about what happened to Mars per what you’ve stated in the past. In particular I’d like to understand the how it got knocked away from its atmosphere. What I’m looking into are the dynamics of knocking around a planet the size and mass of Mars. While I’m a bit out of my field on this (I’m an author, not a physicist), I find I can usually work the math if I can locate the pertinent formula. To begin with, tell me about the events leading up to Mars loosing its atmosphere.

alokmohan · Jul 19, 2004

Earth sister works with esp.No maths business.

the_id · Jul 19, 2004

ESP eh? Well I suppose if your faith is strong enough, it isn't gambling, now is it?

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

The_Id I tried to find some of my old posts here and in other places so I could paste a lot at once for you, but I can only find some of my printed materials about Mars right now. I will start at the beginning and make a note where new information is replacing old information. Some of the members still have their posts from before the crash so maybe they can help us out if they were involved. I am happy to share what I know the way I understand it. I don't know or understand everything that happened. I only know a little, but what I know is from the alien races, specifically from the lead representatives. I do not subscribe to or collect any materials from other humans or media. I try to always be as accurate as I can be. I cannot have all of the information I ask for. There used to be a little planet that orbited between Earth and Mars. Its orbit was changed to a collision course with Mars. The people on Mars knew it was going to happen and they got ready. They lived on the surface of Mars but had also been building underground. With the planet approaching, they built faster. When it was time for the collision, not all of the people could fit inside of Mars. Many went out into space in crafts to wait it out. When they came back, they found that the impact had been much worse than expected because the little planet exploded upon impact with Mars. The force of the explosion with the collision knocked Mars so suddenly and violently away that left its atmosphere behind. Mars' orbit was slightly changed. Please note: When I originally posted here about this, I had not been told what it was that made the little planet leave its orbit. I thought it could have been something similar to what hit Earth at the Yucatan Peninsula, and we talked about the possibilities of that in the thread. Recently I was told by my alien contacts that nothing struck the little planet. The little planet's balance was shifting. As its gravity changed,

arobie · Jul 19, 2004

What happened to the Martians who lived?

booyah · Jul 19, 2004

They came down to Earth?

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

Arobie What happened to the Martians who lived? They still live inside of Mars.

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

booyah They came down to Earth? They could never live here.

mental_avenger · Jul 19, 2004

This is another one of those pesky little scientific details that proves that ES is making this all up. This usually happens when ES tries to elaborate on one of her previous fabrications. Her attempts to “sound” credible only function to show how poorly she understands scientific principles. You are quite correct, any changes in a planet’s axial tilt or wobble would have no effect on its gravity or its orbit. I cannot imagine what “balance” refers to in this context. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

petepan · Jul 19, 2004

If the planet on the left is Mars (for arguments sake) how big was this 'little planet'. Bigger or smaller than this representation? I am certain we can run the numbers on it.

mental_avenger · Jul 19, 2004

ES claims: The people on Mars knew it was going to happen and they got ready. They lived on the surface of Mars There is no evidence anyone having lived on the surface of Mars. ES claims: When it was time for the collision, not all of the people could fit inside of Mars. Many went out into space in crafts to wait it out. Another patent absurdity. For a given number of people, it would be hundreds of times cheaper, easier, and faster to build shelters underground than to build spacecraft to go “out into space….to wait it out”. ES claims: When they came back, they found that the impact had been much worse than expected because the little planet exploded upon impact with Mars. The force of the explosion with the collision knocked Mars so suddenly and violently away that left its atmosphere behind. The evidence of an impact such as you described would be visible from Earth. Certainly it would be extremely evident from our Mars orbiting spacecraft. In addition, it would simply not be possible to knock a planet so hard that it “left its atmosphere behind”. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

kmarinas86 · Jul 19, 2004

you can't stop her... just let her make up stuff dood... just let her go wildddd <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> see what she posts a year from now <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

kdavis007 · Jul 19, 2004

Where are all of those Aliens you claim to contact?

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

kdavis007 They are usually inside their large crafts, parked outside of our atmosphere.

zavvy · Jul 19, 2004

There used to be a little planet that orbited between Earth and Mars. I'm puzzled that you didn't say "between Mars and Jupiter"... it could have explained the asteroid belt...

dub_ · Jul 19, 2004

What's so interesting on Earth? Even I wouldn't (and don't) park my craft in the upper atmosphere. HAHA, NOW WHO'S DELUSIONAL!

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

zavvy I'm puzzled that you didn't say "between Mars and Jupiter"... it could have explained the asteroid belt... Edit: sorry, I misunderstood what you said. The debris from both Mars and the little planet that hit Mars went into both asteroid belts on either side of Mars. I do not know what else created the main asteroid belt. I never thought of that before. Maybe there was another planet there at some time. Nobody who would know has told me that though.

earthsister · Jul 19, 2004

dub_ What's so interesting on Earth? Even I wouldn't (and don't) park my craft in the upper atmosphere. Everything on Earth is interesting, especially the intelligent life. It is our turn. We are the newest and the brightest up-and-coming in our immediate area. It is safe to park out there, and too far for them to go home and be back on time every night, or day, or month except for those closest by.

alokmohan · Jul 20, 2004

ES is always wrong

elberon · Jul 20, 2004

I'm new to posting but have read a lot of the threads on these forums. In my mind claiming that there was once intellegent life on Mars that is now living below the surface is something that has already been proven to be false given NASA's extensive and detailed mapping of the surface of Mars. Earthsister, How do you account for this lack of evidence? e.

earthsister · Jul 20, 2004

Hi, elberon. Welcome to the forums, it's nice to have you. I see no lack of evidence. I see the evidence easily being disguised and hidden from our view physically, naturally and psychologically. I see some of why it is hidden, and I see the aliens who live inside of Mars.

the_id · Jul 20, 2004

Not understanding scientific principals does not mean one is lying, only that he is perhaps unqualified to describe (scientifically) what he seeks to describe. I can personally attest to this. There is a lot I wish to describe but do not understand enough of physics to do so scientifically. Thus I make the effort to learn the science. But that is a personal choice I’ve made. No one is obliged to learn physics in order to describe something. Nor should they be chided for it – unless they in fact attempt to present themselves as so qualified. To say that EarthSister is lying is as patently unscientific as anything she may attempt to describe. If she is wrong, the facts will bear that out in time. But even then this is not proof that she is lying (as in, to deliberately deceive). She may very well believe something that is not true. If that is the case, then it means she is wrong, not that she is lying. As for a planet leaving its solar orbit, I am quite sure that even changing its center of gravity would not do this by itself. In fact, as I understand the dynamics of orbital velocity, even changing its mass would not change its orbit, but would only effect the orbit of something that orbited it. It would necessarily take the application of an enormous amount of energy (probably from an external source) to change a planet’s orbit. Thus if the tiny planet’s orbit changed, some force was applied to it. What would that force be? How much energy would be necessary to achieve this? Of course, that planet’s original mass would have to be known in order to know how much energy would be needed. Here I will pose a question. Let’s suppose this mystery planet were incredibly active, seismically, more so even than Io. Is it possible that a super-massive volcanic eruption could occur that threw enough material off of said planet to change its orbit this significantly?

mental_avenger · Jul 20, 2004

Hmmmm, the “Martians” have evolved since ES’ last “explanation”. Before they were only using their advanced technology to hide themselves from our view. Now they are using mind control. How very convenient. Now when we don’t find ANY evidence of civilization past or present on Mars, ES can claim that the advanced technology and superior mental powers of the ILGM (Invisible Little Green Men) have successfully hidden their presence from us. (The real reason we won’t find any “Martians” living on Mars is because they only exist in ES’s mind here on Earth) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

mental_avenger · Jul 20, 2004

Is it possible that a super-massive volcanic eruption could occur that threw enough material off of said planet to change its orbit this significantly? No. Since the force created by the ejection is directly proportional to the square of its velocity, and since the velocity of volcanic ejecta is necessarily relatively low velocity, the amount of force from any possible eruption which did not destroy the planet would be virtually insignificant in terms of orbital change. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

mental_avenger · Jul 20, 2004

You're asking the wrong person, bud. This is EarthSister's fantasy, not mine! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> LMAO <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

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