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the_id

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<font color="orange"> Better yet, why not transmit their message such that every signal receiver on the planet receives it? </font><br /><br /><font color="yellow"> Then somebody else could send another one that said, oops, strike that. Nobody here but us chickens. </font><br /><br />That’s funny. But seriously, who would send such a message (“… strike that…”)?<br />
 
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It does not "seem" to be working "yet." However, they are cataloged and being deciphered. By whom, I do not know, because the leading figures who were working on it have been silenced.<br /><br />The authentic crop formations are not just evidence of ET, they are going to tell the entire history of their visitation and intentions, and that is going to disclose the shameful crimes of govt conspiracy.
 
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What would be the purpose of exposing government conspiracies? Actually more to the point, what good would come of it – from the aliens’ perspective?
 
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<font color="orange">If the governments are being this obstructional, it’s time to bypass the governments</font><br /><br />Not all govts are against the aliens. The one that takes it on is going to be up against all the opposition of the leading govts. It has to be a mutual willing effort. It will not be a small burden.
 
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Cataloging and decoding the crop circles would present humanity with the aliens’ history and intentions. Well enough, but it would be so much easier to just tell us once we’re all friends.<br /><br />I have to tell you, as crop circles go, I do indeed hope that extraterrestrial are behind them. This would present verifiable evidence that they at least have a sense of humor.<br /><br />Please believe me, I am not making fun of you. But all in all, crop circles are a very inefficient and ineffective way to communicate.<br /><br />EarthSister, there is something I would like you to think about. And I do not present it as an accusation. For one thing, I have no cause to accuse. But how certain are you of their intentions? I don’t mean to suggest there is anything sinister that you’re not being told. But even taking everything you say of them at face value, are you certain you are being told the truth?<br />
 
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<font color="yellow"> Not all govts are against the aliens. </font><br /><br />It doesn’t matter if all governments are being uncooperative. If enough are that the aliens are being effectively thwarted, then revealing themselves, en masse to the world <b> will </b> bring about the desired changes – without compromising their mission.<br />
 
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earthsister

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<font color="orange">What would be the purpose of exposing government conspiracies? Actually more to the point, what good would come of it – from the aliens’ perspective?</font><br /><br />None. It is unfortunate that to learn the truth about the alien races, what they are like, why they are here, what they want with us, is going to make us question why our leading govts have been preventing open contact between us. This is when things that the govts (secret govts) have been hiding will come out. There is no preventing the truth from coming out. The alien races can help the govts handle it diplomatically, though, and they do not hold grudges between worlds.<br /><br />Exposing the crimes is not up to the alien races to do. They can only do what they can do. If we do not already know what our own govts are doing, why would we believe alien beings from some place else? We wouldn't. "Everybody knows that aliens are not real, but that if they were, they would really be evil monsters who pretend to be holy angels. No, we would never trust them."<br /><br />The leading govts have time to change things before they have to answer. I understand they are working on solutions right now.
 
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<font color="orange">That’s funny. But seriously, who would send such a message (“… strike that…”)?</font><br /><br />Sorry- that was sarcasm.<br /><br />Humans impersonate and misrepresent alien life all the time, for all kinds of reasons. If you do not know that the real aliens never communicate that way, you might believe literally anything that came across. If the aliens did it once, it would be lost in a sea of copycats that would look exactly the same as they look right now, only worse.
 
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Well I understood (and appreciated) the sarcasm. No offense was taken and there’s no need to appologize. But you say there’d be copycats? How? I’m not sure anyone (human) actually has the ability to transmit a message in such a way. Perhaps to a specific region, yes, but not planet wide.<br /><br />At least, not planet wide on such that every receiver would pick it up.
 
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<font color="orange">It doesn’t matter if all governments are being uncooperative. If enough are that the aliens are being effectively thwarted, then revealing themselves, en masse to the world will bring about the desired changes – without compromising their mission.</font><br /><br />You are right, it is the only way. If they wait for humans to get themselves together on it, it will never happen. We have not even united our countries yet.<br /><br />They will do it, but they will do it through the leaders of a nation. That is the only way to begin diplomatically and keep friendly communication open between the alien races and the people.<br /><br />If the alien races openly showed up the way you suggest, it would prove they are here, all right, but then what? It would cement our current assumptions and leave us and the aliens vulnerable to anything the govts decided to say about it. Nobody would know who to believe or trust, but they would trust the aliens least of all.
 
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<font color="yellow">It would cement our current assumptions…<br /><br />Nobody would know who to believe or trust…<br /></font><br /><br />Why? Most people distrust government already.<br /><br />Working through any government would leave the message vulnerable to that government’s “filters”. Also, remember again about the divisiveness between governments. I think it safe to say that virtually every government on Earth has at least one other that it might call an enemy.<br /><br />So pick a government – any government. Now the aliens present the message and that government is responsible for passing it along to the rest of the world. At the very least, <b> that </b> government’s enemies will think it a ploy of some kind.<br /><br />Working through the governments, any one or any group will not work unless <b> all </b> governments are involved. And again, landing in every national capital on the planet is guaranteed to be seen as an attack – at least in some of the countries. So sending the message planet wide – on all channels – and directly to “the people”, bypassing governments is really about the only way it <i> can </i> work.<br />
 
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If the alien races communicated through any media, it could be copied, or effectively copied, or just claimed by anybody, professionally or privately.<br /><br />The internet is planet-wide.<br /><br />How many people, if they suddenly believed that alien life is visiting Earth, would believe it if somebody on the internet claimed to be an alien being, or claimed the things an alien being did to them, or told them?<br /><br />How many people would believe whatever their president tells them about the govts own private media communications with alien life?<br /><br />If you do not know that the alien races do not communicate that way, you might believe anything, especially if you had a premature reason to believe they are real.
 
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<font color="orange">Working through the governments, any one or any group will not work unless all governments are involved.</font><br /><br />All are welcome, but not all accept yet.<br /><br />I am signing off. We can pick up for a while tomorrow. Have a good night <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Thank you for your good questions.
 
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Try this scenario:<br /><br />You’re watching your favorite TV show and suddenly <b>their</b> signal overrides the TV station’s and you’re hearing a message telling you that aliens are here and they want to be friends, etc., etc. You get miffed because somebody’s idea of a joke just interrupted your favorite TV show. So you change channels – only to find that the same message is on every channel. Now you’re shaken, maybe even outright scared. So you go to the radio and there you find the same thing. Yup, I bet you’d be scared. But within the hour it’s over.<br /><br />Next the president gets on the air and makes a speech. He tells you that terrorists took over a satellite and broadcast that message. Hmmmm. Really makes the president look like he’s winning his war on terror. In any case, it’s going to make the government look bad if they have to admit that they, at least for an hour did not have control of the airwaves. Conversely the government might try to get you to dismiss it by <i> what means?</i><br /><br />Now maybe you’d believe the government’s line of BS and maybe you wouldn’t. At this point you’re correct – most people wouldn’t know what to believe. <b>But</b>, the aliens included their right ascension and declination in their message. Guess what – there’s enough amateur astronomers around that <b>very</b> quickly a large number of non-government people are going to look for themselves and see that yes, indeed there is a group of ships park out there – just about a half an AU away.<br /><br />No matter how you go about it, the world at large is going to know the aliens are there and largely accept that fact within a few days. The only remaining problem is whether or not the people believe they really come in peace.<br /><br />Guess what – no matter <b>how</b> they approach humanity, that question is still going to be a problem. And even if the government says they come in peace, like I said, most people distrust the government anyway.<br /><br />In oth
 
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Hmmm. You left before I could post. Well enough. I’ll try to get in here tomorrow. But one thing, do answer one of my previous questions: <b>How certain are you that the aliens are telling you the truth?</b><br /><br />G’nite…<br />
 
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Right now, the problem of credibility is small because not everyone knows. Those who know the aliens are real, do not know what or who to believe. Most alien experiencers do not know what or who to believe any better. <br /><br />More or all people knowing the alien races are real and visiting Earth "in that chaotic manner" without more of an explanation and understanding first will only make a bigger problem. We are having enough trouble fixing the one we already have.<br /><br />Maybe humans would rush into a mess like that, obviously -- we even still rage war on our own kind. But the advanced races would not. They have already figured out and proven better ways. That is how they all got together.<br /><br />It's been a pleasure.
 
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<font color="orange">How certain are you that the aliens are telling you the truth?</font><br /><br />I am personally, lifelong, in over my head, positive. Nothing of all the things they have ever shown me or told me has come out to be wrong or misleading in any way. I see them working together, and together with me and my family, and many other humans I know through them. They are "the" truly dedicated professionals of their races.<br /><br />They are people, like we are. Only they have been gaining experience, knowledge and natural and technological abilities for hundreds of thousands to millions to billions of years longer than we have. They work together and actually implement the solutions to their problems. All of them want the same thing, which is peace. That is how and why they have survived and evolved so far.<br /><br />Goodnight again. I hope you can sleep.
 
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Surely something of this magnitude would unite humanity?<br />All of a sudden we all become 1 race -Earthers/Earthlings/Meat Sacks not black/white/yellow whatever.<br />Our Global leadership model has obviously failed in uniting us humans - I mean in this day and age it still considered it a privilege to have access to education/running clean water/medicines etc. Can't these aliens see the inadequacies of our leadership?<br />Why not bypass the government of failure and show themselves - even be it a small undisputable glimpse - not cryptic signs or obscure sightings which are all tossed out as hallucinations.<br /><br />Time to show yourselves I say - help us abolish poverty/starvation and help us unlock all the untapped potential in 3rd world countries.<br /><br />Power, greed, Money means f' all when you have a rock the size of Jupiter inbound.<br /><br />I'm tipping we need to get off this rock & soon.<br /><br />
 
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ES, how have your immediate family & friends accepted your experiences?<br /><br />Generally we are all the sum of our friends and family and without this - support, it would be a hard task to stay sane.<br /><br />Kudos for sticking to your guns.<br /><br />sorry from straying from the Mars issue.
 
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I’m still curious about the Mars thing as well. But right now I’m a little more concerned about the aliens. I do believe EarthSister is sincere, though I’m still not convinced she’s right. However something is amiss in what she says they are telling her. If this business with the aliens is for real, they're not giving her the whole story.
 
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Tis a little strange - but I have been raised with the belief - 'nothing is to be feared only understood'<br />So I'd like not to be hostile and or shoot down her claims, afterall anything is possible in infinite space.<br /><br />I mean if you were in her position - how would you go about things? It's tougher than we all think. <br /><br />I hope for her sake she's not part of one of those ' Waco' cult things. <br /><br />I have many questions too.... I believe what we understand about science and physics may not be enough to dis prove her claims.<br />Then again we have to keep it relative, otherwise it becomes a Star Trek episode.
 
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the_id

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Sorry… had to reboot.<br /><br />If I were in her position, I would press the aliens to present themselves worldwide and openly. I suppose that's about all she could do.<br />
 
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<font color="yellow"> I hope for her sake she's not part of one of those ' Waco' cult things.</font><br /><br />What she describes does not seem to be religious in nature at all, spiritual possibly but not religious. Someone speaking from the perspective of cult indoctrination usually tips their hand to that fact, especially when they are vocal.<br /><br />Also I find that I too admire her for sticking to her guns, especially given that she trying to communicate to a predominately hostile audience.
 
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Lowenfreq:<br /><br />If you were in Earthsister’s shoes you would probably be viewing the world from the inside of a psychiatric ward. No offense to Earthsiser. What I mean is that, if what she is saying about the many personal contacts and telepathic conversations are true, and happened to an average person, that person would have serious psychological problems dealing with their unique experiences. Obviously Earthsister has a strong mind if she can cope with her reality. <br /><br />I speak from experiences when I say that extraterrestrial contacts are not exactly like a stroll in the park. My experience has been that they are controlling, and very stingy with their technology and advanced wisdom. <br /><br />Arit:<br /><br />It was a joke. I can’t believe you took me seriously.<br /><br />Crazyeddie: <font color="yellow"> Motion is independent of mass, unless acted upon by an outside force.<br /><br /><font color="white"> That's true, but I can think of a few things that could cause a planet to alter its orbit around its star.<br /><br /><br /><br />1. If the star increased in size and the planet was consumed. <br />2. If another approaching star caused a gravitational influence upon the planet.<br />3. If the planet broke up and became more than one object. As the multiple objects separated, each object would have a separate orbit.<br />4. Calculations have been worked out for changing the Earth’s orbit through the use of the gravity of a large asteroid.<br />5. If another planet came into close proximity of the planet.<br />6. The decay of orbital velocity through the friction of another space body, like a comet, asteroid field or nebula.<br />7. The orbital decay or alteration of the orbit of the planet’s moon or moons would affect the orbit of a planet. <br />8. If the planet’s star supernovas.<br /><br />These are just a few. There are many things that can affect a planet’s orbit. <br /></font></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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