Trek XI: Spock casted; UPDATED

[docm]

Confirmed at ComiCon;<br /><br /><b>Young Spock:</b> Zachary Quinto (Heroes, 24)<br /><br /><b>Old Spock:</b> Leonard Nimoy<br /><br />Abrams says Shatner is still a possibility as "old Kirk", but how does that jive with ST: Generations & his death? Maybe his 'shadow' still in the Nexus decides to leave.<br /><br />Link....<br /><br />Shooting starts in November for Christmas 2008 release. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[PistolPete]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Abrams says Shatner is still a possibility as "old Kirk", but how does that jive with ST: Generations & his death? Maybe his 'shadow' still in the Nexus decides to leave.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Perhaps the part of the movie with "old Kirk" takes place before Generations. It could be that the "old Kirk and Spock" are only in a few scenes, the bulk of the movie being a long flashback sequence. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

I only want Shatner to play Kirk as the "Priceline Negotiator" with his awesome karate moves. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[larper]

Quinto does such a great job on Heroes as Sylar. I hope I can see him as something other than sinister, though.<br /><br />Hopefully, he will be a true Vulcan (Spock, Sarek, Surak) and not a monotonic robot that every Vulcan since TOS has been.<br /><br />I will never understand how, in TNG, and Voyager, and Enterprise, they completely ignored Nimoy and Leonards portrayals and came up with Tuvok and T'Pol. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Vote </font><font color="#3366ff">Libertarian</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

If you want to get picky, why not complain how they changed Klingons? And if you buy the explanation that the TOS Klingons were a different breed of Klingons than the TNG Klingons, then you have to explain that set of three Klingons whose characters were in both series and went from human foreheads to bumpy foreheads. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[larper]

Actually, no. I completely ignored the appearance change to the Klingons. They were still warlike. We didn't get to see too much of the Klingons in TOS, but what we did see, they were aggressive, passionate, etc. I had no problem with TNGs Klingons. <br /><br />Spock and his father were portrayed as logical, but not dry. Emotionless, but not lacking in compassion. And even though they claimed to lack a sense of humor, they had a dry wit that some would call deadpan humor. <br /><br />Now go to Tuvak, the single worst character every portrayed in Sci-Fi. Single-handedly the reason I stopped watching Voyager after about 3 episodes. Then T'Pol. Cut with the scratchy, dry voice and just speak normally, dammit! Look at T'Pring and T'Pau from Amok Time, if you need female examples. Kirstie Alley's Savek as well. I mean, where are they getting their interpretations from? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Vote </font><font color="#3366ff">Libertarian</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

According to ST canon, a genetically engineered virus designed to try to make "Klingon Supermen" - inspired by Human "Supermen" (think Khan and his ilk) - which went terribly wrong was the reason behind the two types of Klingon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

And again, I ask you how you had those 3 Klingons who appeared in both series with different appearances. One was Kor as I recall from the Organia episiode. Another was the one from Tribbles. And the third one was the one from the episode where the hate-creature had klingons battling feds on the Enterprise with swords. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Simply, there were in existence three types of Klingon: those who's genome remained "pure," those who were the recipients of the mutagenic "super-Klingon" virus, and those who were transitional, as the Klingons were attempting to reverse the process and return them to the original form.<br /><br />Or so I am led to understand. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[larper]

Kor - "Errand of Mercy"<br />Kang - "Day of the Dove"<br />Koloth - "Trouble with Tribbbles"<br /><br />I just ignored the appearance change as having to do with the realities of TV production. What I am talking about is the characterization of the Vulcans, which has nothing to do with cost. It has everything to do with writing, directing and acting. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Vote </font><font color="#3366ff">Libertarian</font></strong></p> </div>

 

[mattblack]

I watched most of 'Voyager' and believe that Tim Russ did an excellent job as Tuvok! Anyone who says he didn't clearly did NOT watch enough of the show to catch his, admittedly, infrequent chances to show what he could do. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[docm]

Agreed! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[dragon04]

<font color="yellow">If you want to get picky, why not complain how they changed Klingons? And if you buy the explanation that the TOS Klingons were a different breed of Klingons than the TNG Klingons, then you have to explain that set of three Klingons whose characters were in both series and went from human foreheads to bumpy foreheads.</font><br /><br />Actually, that was addressed in one of the last episodes of Enterprise.<br /><br />Short story was that an engineered virus (meant to "enhance" Klingons threatened to wipe out the Klingon species. The vaccine itself caused them to lose the bony plating on their foreheads for a time. Generations later, it came back. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[dragon04]

<font color="yellow">I watched most of 'Voyager' and believe that Tim Russ did an excellent job as Tuvok! Anyone who says he didn't clearly did NOT watch enough of the show to catch his, admittedly, infrequent chances to show what he could do.</font><br /><br />I still have a problem with a Black Vulcan. Seemed too anthropomorfic to me.<br /><br />Why would we expect that other species should the have identical racial diversities in humans?<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

I lifted one eyebrow when I found out about that casting. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[dragon04]

Voyager was a veritable "we are the world" cast. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but what are the odds of all the "key" crew members each being of different ethnic origins?<br /><br />That's like, EOE to the max. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[docm]

<font color="yellow">Why would we expect that other species should the have identical racial diversities in humans?</font><br /><br />Skin color variations in humans are due to varying levels of melanin; largely a function of protection from UV at low latitudes vs. the need for more vitamin D3 production at higher latitudes. <br /><br />Since in an excellent Star Trek TNG episode it was entered into canon that the galaxies humanoid species were seeded by an ancient race using their own DNA, it seems logical that Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans and the others would respond similarly to the same stimuli; adjusting skin color by way of melanin levels. <br /><br />Other so called "racial" differences are also environmental; nose/face shape & facial fat pads vs. average air temperature being two examples.<br /><br />In point of fact the concept of "race" is pretty much a social invention since the 'differences' are almost completely environmental adaptations. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[docm]

Actually Black Vulcan was a superhero in the Super Friends TV show;<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Vulcan <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[hracctsold]

But Vulcans and Romulans are not human, or derived from the Preservers, or others of such nature. According to the book called, "Spock's World," they decended from plant and tree forms of their planet. Now, I know that may have been forgotten and not new cannon, but I always thot that made for an interesting history. And a good place to explain why green blood can still contain chloraphyl (probably misspelled), and not be processed by sunlight.<br /><br />But according to your post, there are two different cannons, which would make an even more interesting explaination for green blood, and the science behind it. And remember the Romulans are distance cousins to the Vulcans. I just picked up a book 2 that explains the relationship between these two peoples. The book series is Vulcan's Soul, and book two is Exile, the looking for a new home world for all the Vulcans that fled Vulcan so they would not have to give up their passion and warlike spirit. Book one was interesting, especially on book tape.<br /><br />But personally, I still hold out for the dark side of the planet for an explaination of the dark Vulcans, or maybe they ARE related somehow to earth's black Irish. <br />Who knows? <br /><br /><br />

 

[docm]

The novels are not canon, old or new. TOS, TNG etc. and the movies are. <br /><br />Green or blue blood can be an adaptation; there are critters on Earth that have it. <br /><br />Even humans can have green blood caused by the excess inclusion of sulfur into their haemoglobin, turning it into sulfhaemoglobin (SulfHb). It's usually caused by meds, but even occupational exposure to sulfur can cause it.<br /><br />The condition is called sulfhaemoglobinaemia and can cause varying degrees of cyanosis (bluish/green skin) even in quite low concentrations. <br /><br /><b>Uppance:</b> green blood in Vulcans would not eliminate their being distant relatives of humans. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Voyager was a veritable "we are the world" cast.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Oh. Where was their Russian? The last character in Star Trek to hail from Russia was Worf. And he wasn't native to Russia. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[willpittenger]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I watched most of 'Voyager' and believe that Tim Russ did an excellent job as Tuvok! Anyone who says he didn't clearly did NOT watch enough of the show to catch his, admittedly, infrequent chances to show what he could do.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>I still have a problem with a Black Vulcan. Seemed too anthropomorphic to me.<br /><br />Why would we expect that other species should the have identical racial diversities in humans?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />When Voyager first aired, my reaction was the same as yours. But the more I thought about it, the more I ended up disagreeing. Actually, I figure that half of all humans on Earth have a dark skin color. Second, I would expect that percentage to soar to 80% or more for Vulcan with all that sunshine. We need more Vulcans portrayed as dark in color -- not fewer. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Will Pittenger<hr style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" />Add this user box to your Wikipedia User Page to show your support for the SDC forums: <div style="margin-left:1em">{{User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/Space.com Account}}</div> </div>

 

[mattblack]

I am slightly biased about Tim Russ: in 2002 at a Media Expo I spent a couple hours with him, during which I had interviewed him, too. He was just the nicest guy and being an astronomy buff, he's very interested in real space, too. I complimented Tim about all the fight scenes he'd ever done in 'Voyager', saying that he always moved so fluidly and beautifully, like a real martial artist or a dancer. He was grateful and surprised at my compliments and when I asked why, he said he always dreaded the fight scenes and described himself as a 'real klutz'! He also reckoned that the only cast member the stunt supervisors dreaded working with on fight scenes more than he was Jeri Ryan!! Tim reckoned the two of them were the 'Voyager Class Klutzes'.<br /><br />I asked him about his various ways of developing and getting into the Tuvok character. He said one of the first things he did was develop Tuvok's posture and way of moving. "Oh," I said, "like when Tuvok starts to walk, he always tilts his head and shoulders to the left or right before gently swinging into his first step.<br /><br />Tim gave a very warm, un-Vulcan like laugh and claimed I was the first person who had ever pointed that out to him!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[docm]

Cool insights & info Matt, thanks for sharing <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />BTW: Russ has a small part in "Live Free or Die Hard". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

Isn't "Live Free or Die Hard" the new Viagra slogan? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>