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This is a massive waste of time and money that could better be used elsewhere.

There are what, 9 BILLION phones with cameras on this planet now? If UFOs were a real thing, we would be seeing billions of pictures and videos.

We don't.

Duh.
 
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This is a massive waste of time and money that could better be used elsewhere.

There are what, 9 BILLION phones with cameras on this planet now? If UFOs were a real thing, we would be seeing billions of pictures and videos.

We don't.

Duh.
If you look into this at all, you would realize:

1) NASA spent less than $100,000 to form this panel of experts to evaluate data collection.

2) Congress/DoD have spent only a few million (drop in the bucket) looking into UAP over last decade. Most DoD/IC employees have donated their time, in fact.

3) Whatever the origin, UAP are operating over military test ranges, nuclear assets, and active conflict zones therefore are a massive national security concern.

4) There have been more than 11 near misses with military aircraft and UAP presenting a huge threat to aviation safety, hence the involvement of FAA and AIAA.

5) There are hundreds of thousands of both clear and blurry “UFO” pictures and videos from cell phone cameras. Without metadata and chain of custody, no one can tell spoof vs reality, especially in the age of CGI. That being said, cell phone cameras have terrible resolution and FPS for long-distance and night time imagery.

There is a reason DoD, IC, NASA, Galileo Project, civilian aerospace, and FAA are having to recalibrate or deploy new sensors to collect sufficient data on unknowns. We simply don’t scan the skies properly to see slow-moving objects of any size, very-fast moving, small objects, etc. We primarily track aircraft at aircraft speeds and ICBMs. The only system that came even close was ground and space-based satellites that track meteors/meteorites, which look for the flash of the tail as it traverses ionosphere.

Rather than be dismissive and be a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, perhaps you should ask more questions when multiple presidents, DNIs, undersecretaries for Defense, bipartisan members of Intel and Armed services committees of House and Senate, members of the Gang of 8, directors of the CIA, admirals, generals, Top Gun pilots, radar experts, TS/SCI-cleared physicists/engineers, Nobel laureates/nominees, multiple foreign governments, etc. are telling you there is a “there” there. Happy to provide you with sources.
 

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If you look into this at all, you would realize:

1) NASA spent less than $100,000 to form this panel of experts to evaluate data collection.

2) Congress/DoD have spent only a few million (drop in the bucket) looking into UAP over last decade. Most DoD/IC employees have donated their time, in fact.

3) Whatever the origin, UAP are operating over military test ranges, nuclear assets, and active conflict zones therefore are a massive national security concern.

4) There have been more than 11 near misses with military aircraft and UAP presenting a huge threat to aviation safety, hence the involvement of FAA and AIAA.

5) There are hundreds of thousands of both clear and blurry “UFO” pictures and videos from cell phone cameras. Without metadata and chain of custody, no one can tell spoof vs reality, especially in the age of CGI. That being said, cell phone cameras have terrible resolution and FPS for long-distance and night time imagery.

There is a reason DoD, IC, NASA, Galileo Project, civilian aerospace, and FAA are having to recalibrate or deploy new sensors to collect sufficient data on unknowns. We simply don’t scan the skies properly to see slow-moving objects of any size, very-fast moving, small objects, etc. We primarily track aircraft at aircraft speeds and ICBMs. The only system that came even close was ground and space-based satellites that track meteors/meteorites, which look for the flash of the tail as it traverses ionosphere.

Rather than be dismissive and be a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, perhaps you should ask more questions when multiple presidents, DNIs, undersecretaries for Defense, bipartisan members of Intel and Armed services committees of House and Senate, members of the Gang of 8, directors of the CIA, admirals, generals, Top Gun pilots, radar experts, TS/SCI-cleared physicists/engineers, Nobel laureates/nominees, multiple foreign governments, etc. are telling you there is a “there” there. Happy to provide you with sources.
Okay. Please provide sources.
 
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NASA

Bill Nelson (Director of NASA, Former Senator/Congressman, Astronaut, US Army):

View: https://twitter.com/jaimemaussan1/status/1639356984049778688


View: https://twitter.com/TheZignal/status/1451869782953893891


View: https://twitter.com/konstructivizm/status/1643108422722768901


$100,000 or Less Funding for UAPIST

https://www.space.com/nasa-ufo-study-group-better-data-needed

Full NASA UAPIST Meeting
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNQl-XUmogY




PRESIDENTS

President Barack Obama:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/weird-science/obama-ufo-videos-dont-know-exactly-are-rcna963

View: https://twitter.com/UFOB_/status/1535195179606474753


President Bill Clinton:

View: https://twitter.com/CAARIU/status/1402284015462326279


President Clinton’s Chief of Staff, John Podesta:

https://www.howandwhys.com/podesta-fish-leaked-emails-on-ufo/

Wikileaks emails between John Podesta, Hillary Clinton, USAF General Neil Mccasland, and Tom Delonge

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...o-hillary-clinton-campaign-about-ufos-103832/

President Jimmy Carter:

View: https://twitter.com/UFOB_/status/1513118459349151745


Presidential Hopeful Dennis Kucinich.

https://archive.org/details/DennisKucinichAndObamaAnswerUfoQuestionAtDemocraticDebate

President George Bush Sr (via Dr. Eric Davis):

Pentagon/Intelligence Community Physicist Eric Davis had a conversation with George Bush Sr (then director of the CIA) about UAP. Discussing Corso who was the Lt. Colonel in the Army during the Roswell incident.

View: https://twitter.com/TheUfoJoe/status/1624205221890232320



HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF CABINET, DOD, & IC


Avril Haines (Current Director of National Intelligence)

https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...onal-intelligence-director-does-not-rule-out/

John Ratcliffe (Former Director of National Intelligence and Congressman):

View: https://youtu.be/pPDeuy_YSs0


Chistopher Mellon:

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Security and Information Operations
Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2V0uWX1C4m8xEL0HHYqbnE


View: https://youtu.be/rdxcgS4spRM


https://www.christophermellon.net/blog

https://thedebrief.org/why-is-the-air-force-awol-on-the-uap-issue/


Luis Elizondo:

Former Director of Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) under OUSDI
Former U.S. Army Counterintelligence Special Agent
Senior Intelligence Official in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (OUSDI)
Former member of the Special Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH5nuqa-0w


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YSrVhCS-rc


John Brennan (Former CIA Director):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjNOaznd84


James Clapper (Former DNI):

Lt General USAF
Former Director of National Intelligence
Former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
Former Director of Defense Intelligence within the ODNI
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
Former Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)

View: https://twitter.com/uapmike/status/1394269290828902401?s=42&t=Dxzn7DHcJKe9yGGHTkfvwg


James Woolsey (Former CIA Director):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vQF4QzUX9M&t=2108s

J Edgar Hoover (FBI Director), Roscoe Hillenkoetter (1st CIA Director) and Wilbert Smith (Head of Project Magnet in Canada):

https://myemail.constantcontact.com...-UFOs.html?soid=1109615552303&aid=_A8wK9-xnVo



CONGRESS


Senator Mark Warner (Chairman Senate Intelligence Committee):

https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1625975994870890526

Senator Marco Rubio (Vice Chairman Senate Intelligence Committee):

https://twitter.com/disclosureteam_/status/1374356809377583109

https://twitter.com/TechNFighter/status/1479301393965989891

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (Senate Intelligence & Armed Services Committees):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoloRRcbijI&feature=youtu.be

https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1648719048270573568

https://twitter.com/MikeColangelo/status/1633542864394149909

Senator Martin Heinrich (Senate Intelligence Committee):


https://twitter.com/UFOB_/status/1396423517026062341

Senator Mitt Romney (Homeland Security Committee):

https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1409595733632770051

Senator Amy Klobuchar:

https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1211808749482119168

Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:

https://twitter.com/UFOB_/status/1558585429481373696

https://twitter.com/UfoStudy/status/1349432262841016324

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:(Attachment_19)_20210426_Senator.Reid_Lue.Elizondo.AATIP.pdf

https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1629503661498834944

Congressman Mike Gallagher:


Former USMC Intelligence Officer

https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1625932572789178396

Amendment submitted by Rep. Gallagher suspending NDAs of government employees and civilian contracts so that UAP programs can be reported to Congress and AARO. Also, provided whistle-blower protections to prevent reprisals on those bringing forth information. Over two dozen former and current government employees are contractors have given testimony and evidence to Congressional committees and AARO.

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/UAP Reporting Procedures220705122640993.pdf

Mike Gallagher UAP hearing statements asking about Wilson-Davis Notes and flights of nuclear ICBMs being shut down at Malmstrom and Minot AFBs during the Cold War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnbFOF0mF-E

Congressman Andre Carson (House Intelligence Committee):

Chaired the first modern UAP hearing after receiving classified briefing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gZIGBi3G1s

https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1618280824092372993

https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1486119429356367879

Congressman Ruben Gallego:


https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1467147922030616587

UAP Legislation passed in both the NDAA for 2022 and 2023

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2023

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2022

Establishment of a UAP Office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-domain_Anomaly_Resolution_Office

https://thedebrief.org/new-unidenti...edures-outlined-in-amendment-to-fy-2023-ndaa/

Underfunding of AARO

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-...henomena-and-airborne-national-security-risks



MILITARY


Ryan Graves (Lieutenant - US Navy)


Retired Navy Pilot, Founder of Americans for Safe Aerospace and the AIAA UAP Integration & Outreach Committee, Involved in UAP incidents USS Roosevelt 2014-2015

https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y

https://open.spotify.com/episode/68t6BZRHenCslyLLaviW1H

https://www.youtube.com/@merged_podcast/videos

https://www.safeaerospace.org/#mission

David Fravor (Commander - US Navy):

Retired TOPGUN Pilot and Squadron Commander, UAP incident USS Nimitz 2004

https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E

Alex Dietrich (Lieutenant Commander - US Navy):

Retired Navy Pilot, UAP incident USS Nimitz 2004

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-ufo-sighting-60-minutes-2021-05-16/

Chad Underwood (Commander - US Navy):

Retired Navy Pilot, UAP incident USS Nimitz 2004

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...o-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

Kevin Day (Chief Petty Officer - US Navy):

Operations Specialist, TOPGUN Air Intercept Controller, USS Princeton 2004 Uap Incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES6UrsnX_qY

Sean Cahill (Chief Master-at-Arms - US Navy):

https://futurism.com/former-military-official-unidentified-objects-years-ahead

Nat Kobitz (Director of Science & Technology Development - US Navy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfaB_CuKelY

Admiral Thomas Wilson (Former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)):

Physicist Eric Davis correspondence with Admiral Thomas Wilson (commonly known as the Wilson-Davis notes) put into the congressional record by former USMC intelligence office and now Congressman Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin. Congressman Gallagher is also one of the members of the Armed Services committee responsible for implementing UAP legislation in consecutive years.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6185702-Eric-Davis-meeting-with-Adm-Wilson



ACADEMICS

Steve Justice (Senior Aerospace Engineer - Lockheed Martin Skunkworks)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QWO1Ne7eXY

Dr. Garry Nolan:

Nobel Nominee
Immunologist in Stanford’s Dept of Pathology
Former Contractor with the CIA to Investigate Havana Syndrome and UAP Health Effects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCc2-1tbBQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2DqdOw6Uy4

Dr. Garry Nolan and Dr. Avi Loeb (Harvard Astrophysics Chair):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TezZ65_7MaY

Dr. Eric Weinstein (Theoretical Mathematician) and Dr. Hal Puthoff (Physicist CIA/NSA):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOibpIDx-4

Galileo Project and Publications (includes limitations to detect UAP and instrumentation)

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S2251171723400068

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S225117172340007X

Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and Publications

https://www.explorescu.org/research-library



Good Resources:


June 2021 Preliminary UAP Report
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

2022 Annual UAP Report
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Unclassified-2022-Annual-Report-UAP.pdf

Senate Hearing by AARO
https://thehill.com/video/3958408-watch-live-senate-panel-holds-hearing-on-ufos/

The Phenomenon by James Fox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Kr1TwKhQk

History Channel’s Unidentified Series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEMs1VItdFI

Need to Know Podcast with Award-winning Journalist Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel
https://www.youtube.com/@BryceZabel/videos

In Plain Sight by Journalist Ross Coulthart
https://www.amazon.com/Plain-Sight-investigation-impossible-science-ebook/dp/B08VYR4DZ6


CIA lying about and/or stigmatizing UFO reporting during the Cold War:

https://slate.com/technology/2023/02/ufos-uaps-shootdowns-natgeo.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/us/politics/ufo-report-us-pentagon.html


More on UAP and Nuclear Assets:


https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi.../pentagon-investigating-ufos-nuclear-warheads

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ed-witnessing-UFOs-TURN-nuclear-warheads.html

https://minotb52ufo.com/background.php

https://www.amazon.com/Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear-Weapons/dp/1434398315
 
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Second- and third-hand "reports", useful misdirection ("Look! A squirrel!") to take the public's mind off more pressing matters ... and the lying crook Brennan?

Wake me when you have something real.
 
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Impressive list of 3rd hand, anecdotal speculation. Nothing definitive or confirmed in any of it.

I believe life exists elsewhere given the enormity of the universe. But, none of the sources prove that.

"Seeing" is not necessarily the same as "believing".
 
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Impressive list of 3rd hand, anecdotal speculation. Nothing definitive or confirmed in any of it.

I believe life exists elsewhere given the enormity of the universe. But, none of the sources prove that.

"Seeing" is not necessarily the same as "believing".
Firstly, you did not ask for only first-hand testimony. You asked for sources from my original comment, which I've provided.

Secondly, the military witnesses are all first-hand. The Nimitz and Roosevelt cases are multi-sensor, multi-witness events, over a long period of time. They were reported up the chain of command and no action whatsoever was taken to improve range safety or to investigate if this was a foreign actor. The same applies to Robert Salas's (and others) testimony about nuclear ICBMs being deactivated after/during UAP incidents.
 
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Impressive list of 3rd hand, anecdotal speculation. Nothing definitive or confirmed in any of it.

I believe life exists elsewhere given the enormity of the universe. But, none of the sources prove that.

"Seeing" is not necessarily the same as "believing".
The hard questions a rational person should be asking in those cases:

1) Why have snippets of ATFLIR videos been the only evidence seen publicly when there are data bricks containing AEGIS/SPY-1 radar, sensor-suite information from jets, supporting aircraft, multiple regional/global USAF radar stations, satellite imagery, as well as deck logs? Data can be sanitized to prevent revealing sources & methods.

2) How do our best scientific minds study the anomalous quality of those incidents behind a wall of national security classification in a tangled web of DoD/IC bureaucracy?

The answer is Congress (Gillibrand, Rubio, Warner, Heinrich, Gallagher, Gallego, Carson) authors legislation which:

a) forces the DoD and IC to collect, collate, and investigate all UAP incidents based on expert witness reports and the enormous sensor apparatus of the US government. Then, apply the scientific process to that data. This is AARO.

b) orders a historical accounting of all UAP-related NDAs, programs, investigations, and cover-ups.

c) provides whistleblower and reprisal protections for government and defense contractor employees to speak to AARO/Congress despite whatever NDAs were previously signed (To date, at least 24 govt whistleblowers have given testimony in SCIFs to Congress/AARO. Of these, at least 6 were directly pertaining to active reverse-engineering programs per multiple sources.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996773/Six-whistleblowers-spill-UFO-secrets-congress.html
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077

d) forms and executes a science plan to determine nature, origins, propulsion, health effects, etc. of UAP including a quick-reaction team to investigate incidents (near future).

e) work with other government depts (DHS, DoE), civilian agencies (FAA, NASA), defense contractors, academia, and international partners (Five Eyes) to coordinate data collection and analysis.
 
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The hard questions a rational person should be asking in those cases:

1) Why have snippets of ATFLIR videos been the only evidence seen publicly when there are data bricks containing AEGIS/SPY-1 radar, sensor-suite information from jets, supporting aircraft, multiple regional/global USAF radar stations, satellite imagery, as well as deck logs? Data can be sanitized to prevent revealing sources & methods.

2) How do our best scientific minds study the anomalous quality of those incidents behind a wall of national security classification in a tangled web of DoD/IC bureaucracy?

The answer is Congress (Gillibrand, Rubio, Warner, Heinrich, Gallagher, Gallego, Carson) authors legislation which:

a) forces the DoD and IC to collect, collate, and investigate all UAP incidents based on expert witness reports and the enormous sensor apparatus of the US government. Then, apply the scientific process to that data. This is AARO.

b) orders a historical accounting of all UAP-related NDAs, programs, investigations, and cover-ups.

c) provides whistleblower and reprisal protections for government and defense contractor employees to speak to AARO/Congress despite whatever NDAs were previously signed (To date, at least 24 govt whistleblowers have given testimony in SCIFs to Congress/AARO. Of these, at least 6 were directly pertaining to active reverse-engineering programs per multiple sources.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996773/Six-whistleblowers-spill-UFO-secrets-congress.html
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077

d) forms and executes a science plan to determine nature, origins, propulsion, health effects, etc. of UAP including a quick-reaction team to investigate incidents (near future).

e) work with other government depts (DHS, DoE), civilian agencies (FAA, NASA), defense contractors, academia, and international partners (Five Eyes) to coordinate data collection and analysis.
Congress has done exactly that, because most of UAP sightings are data-poor and very heterogenous as both AARO and NASA just described. After eliminating prosaic explanations (drones, balloons, satellites, rockets, sensor artifacts, trash/clutter, optical illusions, birds, insects, weather phenomena, meteors) in the majority of cases, 2-5% of cases of the 800 collected, primarily since 2019, show anomalous flight characteristics (instantaneous acceleration, extreme speeds, remaining stationary in winds aloft, right-angle turns midflight, maneuvering with no signs of propulsion or flight surfaces, etc.).
 
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Congress has done exactly that, because most of UAP sightings are data-poor and very heterogenous as both AARO and NASA just described. After eliminating prosaic explanations (drones, balloons, satellites, rockets, sensor artifacts, trash/clutter, optical illusions, birds, insects, weather phenomena, meteors) in the majority of cases, 2-5% of cases of the 800 collected, primarily since 2019, show anomalous flight characteristics (instantaneous acceleration, extreme speeds, remaining stationary in winds aloft, right-angle turns midflight, maneuvering with no signs of propulsion or flight surfaces, etc.).
NASA wishes to study the incidents in an unclassified setting so that they can maintain transparency. They have only just concluded their planning phase where they determined how UAP might be studied. Their conclusions will include use existing systems (space-based and ground-based telescopes, radar stations (FAA), earth-science satellite imagery, meteor-detection systems, etc.)
 

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The issue is this...there is nothing to keep secret. Proving a negative never works, thus the need for science (not emotions, speculation, fantasy, etc) to prevail.

Many of those who are calling for transparency will never be satisfied with reality, but it does allow painting a picture for some constituents and to get screen/mic time to address the (ill informed) masses. Seems a PT Barnum quote would do well here...

However, I would gladly be proven (with hard facts) wrong. The current hysteria and interest has produced exactly zip (as in zero).

If there was even a shred of verifiable evidence, even the tiniest amount, it would be public knowledge. Something of this nature could NOT be kept secret.
 
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The issue is this...there is nothing to keep secret. Proving a negative never works, thus the need for science (not emotions, speculation, fantasy, etc) to prevail.

Many of those who are calling for transparency will never be satisfied with reality, but it does allow painting a picture for some constituents and to get screen/mic time to address the (ill informed) masses. Seems a PT Barnum quote would do well here...

However, I would gladly be proven (with hard facts) wrong. The current hysteria and interest has produced exactly zip (as in zero).

If there was even a shred of verifiable evidence, even the tiniest amount, it would be public knowledge. Something of this nature could NOT be kept secret.
"I don't think there is evidence, so we shouldn't make any effort, fund studies, or even discuss the possibility of collecting more evidence" <--- Unscientific thinking

I have no idea what is going on. I have no idea what the origin of UAP are. Perhaps, those 2-5% are all some natural phenomena that we just don't yet understand or some rogue actor in aerospace. What I do know is that individuals within government with the highest of clearances, including those with access to /oversight of our blackest programs (SAPs), are saying there are objects in our protected airspace moving intelligently that do not look or move like anything in our arsenal. That alone warrants investigation (not conclusion). The thousands of military sightings in addition to the hundreds of thousands of civilian reports warrant further investigation. Being dismissive or saying we have enough data (the DoD/IC, NASA, and FAA all say we DO NOT) is unscientific in itself.

Step 1: Form a hypothesis
Step 2: Test a hypothesis
Step 3: Repeat experiment
Step 4: Submit for peer review
UAP are no different.
 

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"I don't think there is evidence, so we shouldn't make any effort, fund studies, or even discuss the possibility of collecting more evidence" <--- Unscientific thinking

I have no idea what is going on. I have no idea what the origin of UAP are. Perhaps, those 2-5% are all some natural phenomena that we just don't yet understand or some rogue actor in aerospace. What I do know is that individuals within government with the highest of clearances, including those with access to /oversight of our blackest programs (SAPs), are saying there are objects in our protected airspace moving intelligently that do not look or move like anything in our arsenal. That alone warrants investigation (not conclusion). The thousands of military sightings in addition to the hundreds of thousands of civilian reports warrant further investigation. Being dismissive or saying we have enough data (the DoD/IC, NASA, and FAA all say we DO NOT) is unscientific in itself.

Step 1: Form a hypothesis
Step 2: Test a hypothesis
Step 3: Repeat experiment
Step 4: Submit for peer review
UAP are no different.
I'm not saying not to investigate. But there is no (currently) smoking gun or great conspiracy to hide anything from the public.

Having worn the uniform, I can assure you that military personnel (even those with the highest levels of clearance) can be as easily fooled by what they see and simply can't explain.
 
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I'm not saying not to investigate. But there is no (currently) smoking gun or great conspiracy to hide anything from the public.

Having worn the uniform, I can assure you that military personnel (even those with the highest levels of clearance) can be as easily fooled by what they see and simply can't explain.
You wanted sources from my reply saying UAP are worth investigating, as opposed to a "massive waste of time and money". The dozens of links are all smoke. All I've said is someone should investigate if there is a fire or not. If not, the US will be much better at monitoring the skies in the age of drone and hypersonic warfare. If so, it would be paradigm shifting, and we had better get to the bottom of it.

Barring severe bureaucratic ineptitude or malfeasance, we should have an answer in the next few years. Maybe a lot sooner if any of this is true...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077
 

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You wanted sources from my reply saying UAP are worth investigating, as opposed to a "massive waste of time and money". The dozens of links are all smoke. All I've said is someone should investigate if there is a fire or not. If not, the US will be much better at monitoring the skies in the age of drone and hypersonic warfare. If so, it would be paradigm shifting, and we had better get to the bottom of it.

Barring severe bureaucratic ineptitude or malfeasance, we should have an answer in the next few years. Maybe a lot sooner if any of this is true...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/03/ufo-crash-materials-intelligence-00100077
The key word in the title of the article is "If".
 
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Do not forget about the true evidence that is of course hidden. It exists in an endless loop of those who receive the evidence, are the only ones who can see it. Since 1945, the military has collected it and nothing has been more important than misinformation or providing no information concerning it. Access to that information is forbidden. The problem with that is we live in a free society where that information should be available.
 
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Do not forget about the true evidence that is of course hidden. It exists in an endless loop of those who receive the evidence, are the only ones who can see it. Since 1945, the military has collected it and nothing has been more important than misinformation or providing no information concerning it. Access to that information is forbidden. The problem with that is we live in a free society where that information should be available.
Might be shifting as of this morning…

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
 
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Not exactly a credible source, from an objective perspective.

Still, when I see meaningful, verifiable evidence I will believe it then. Nothing in the linked content confirms anything.


Something in this makes me laugh. I wonder what would happen if you and some others had had an experience such as I have had and still ended up with NO verifiable evidence to share with others? All this experience and nothing but dirt in the old pockets to take to the bank.

Anyway, I was watching the NASA video last night and got about 1\3 of the way through it. More tonight. What I hadn't realized previously was that the UAPs they have been seeing were mostly of from 4 - 12 meters in diameter.

The old fashioned UFOs of yesteryear were very much bigger although the Roswell one supposedly was hauled away on a flatbed trailer.

Since the above posting people seemingly have sifted through all the above reports and such, what is the take on the observed size of the UAPs or UFOs sighted?

Craft of between 3- 12 meters in diameter doesn't seem large enough to hold an intelligent organic person inside of it, so if it is something of extra terrestrial origin, then probably robotic.

The ones I know of quit showing up around the year 2,000 but they were not the only ones out there. The ones they were aware of that had been around earth were a different species of gray people and those had abducted some of them off of their home planet. They were returned safely.

Also they watched the Gulf Breeze sightings from about 100 miles away. they had no idea what that was. They weren't going to run their ship up to it to find out either. That wouldn't be smart and they are very smart.

I am not asking people here to believe me because there is no evidence given other than my own anecdotal stuff nor do I need validation of my personal experience, as it was too real.

However;
A Reptilian saying, (yes they are out there also) This is a quote.

"Fools can NOT be fooled. For they will NOT believe anything outside of their reality. That is why they can NOT fly."
 
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