Ultraviolet & Infrared Light...

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Actually, I don't think that is true. You need to understand qbits and how to manipulate them, right?</font>ou can expand; I'm interested.<br /><br />That's a different animal; I want to utilize photons, as in fiber optics, or something like it. You see, Qubits have mass and charge, and because of this, they are limitations to how they can perform. One of these limitations involves time travel. I talked about photon computing on the following thread:<br /><br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=businesstech&Number=179696&page=8&view=collapsed&sb=7&o=0&fpart=all

 

[gfpaladin]

<i> You can expand; I'm interested. </i> Actually, someone already did expand on it, and quite well, in the thread you posted the link to...<br /><br />

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">newly discovered carbon Carbon, the element, is well known. Are you speculating on a newly discovered lattice structure of carbon? I fail to see why you would use fusion to create the element C first!</font><br /><br />Because processing the ore, might involve oxides, dioxides, or trioxides; hell, I don't know, try your imagination. Convert the metal to carbon, and then convert the carbon to crystal, what’s so hard to understand?

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Actually, someone already did expand on it, and quite well, in the thread you posted the link to...</font><br /><br />Don't let that stop you, I am sure you can add value and/or contribute. _the_lost_packet_ is a great writer!

 

[thechemist]

<font color="yellow"> Because processing the ore, might involve oxides, dioxides, or trioxides; hell, I don't know, try your imagination. Convert the metal to carbon, and then convert the carbon to crystal, what’s so hard to understand?</font><br /><br />I had to check twice on my monitor to make sure this is the Space Science & Astronomy forum. It is. One less forum to check now. I am running out of SDC fora. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[jatslo]

I'm talking about the following, in which I think the following might be Dark Matter, only we're in a lab right now. Is this okay with you, or do you think we are off topic?<br /><br />Hydrogen Metal on the Horizon <br />However, it appears that metal hydrogen becomes opaque under compression. But, it is a good link for understanding the pressures it appears are required. I'll scout around for updates on the research and see if there is anything out there. <br /><br />At 290 GPa, LeToullec and colleagues discovered that the hydrogen sample turned white, then yellow, orange and red, before becoming opaque at 320 GPa. They also established that its structure remains stable above a pressure of 160 GPa. <br /><br />--- http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/6/4/6/1 <br /><br /><br />sample turned white, then yellow, orange and red, before becoming opaque at 320 GPa What is the significance of this experiment to light?

 

[najab]

Just do what I do. Apply a bogosity filter to any posting by jatslo.

 

[gfpaladin]

<i> Because processing the ore, might involve oxides, dioxides, or trioxides; hell, I don't know, try your imagination. Convert the metal to carbon, and then convert the carbon to crystal, what’s so hard to understand? </i><br /><br />One must always be careful to fully process ore to obtain the desired end product. It does not require imagination to undestand that one can arrive and PURE CARBON from without resorting to FUSION to produce the element.<br /><br />As for converting carbon to crystal, due youeven understand the various structures of carbon???<br /><br />I am sorry, but it looks like you are prone to wild speculation with little to no knowledge of the field you are speculating in...at least that seems to be the case in this thread. Directed reading from TEXT BOOKS and refereed journals would help you greatly.

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">I am sorry, but it looks like you are prone to wild speculation with little to no knowledge of the field you are speculating in...at least that seems to be the case in this thread. Directed reading from TEXT BOOKS and refereed journals would help you greatly.</font><br /><br />Are your stating that I cannot press carbon in an anvil to convert it to a diamond like material? What am I confusing carbon with?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Carbon In Diamonds<br />Gem quality diamonds are rarely flawless; most contain cracks and other minerals as inclusions. Solid mineral inclusions were trapped in the diamond during or after the diamond crystallised billions of years ago deep beneath the Earth’s crust. I hear occasionally the term ‘carbon spots’ uttered by a few dealers and jewellers to describe black marks (inclusions) within the diamond. However most diamond solid inclusions are not dark but colourless and transparent. Inclusions only appear dark when, using a loupe, the diamond is scrutinised against a light background. Dark carbon lacking shape cannot and does not occur as an inclusion in gem quality diamonds.</font><br /><br />http://www.precious-stonelab.co.uk/Carbon%20in%20Diamond.htm

 

[thechemist]

<font color="yellow">I'm talking about the following, in which I think the following might be Dark Matter, only we're in a lab right now. Is this okay with you, or do you think we are off topic?</font><br /><br />Well, you started a thread about UV and IR light. Now you post that highly compressed hydrogen is Dark Matter (?).<br />You be the judge if this is off topic or not. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[gfpaladin]

<i>Are your stating that I cannot press carbon in an anvil to convert it to a diamond like material? What am I confusing carbon with? </i><br /><br />No, I am NOT stating that under appropriate conditions, one can arrive at the diamond bonding structure for carbon. YOU, however, never said you were trying to make and grind diamonds, now did you? You constantly say "crystal" Again, either you are having problems withteh English language OR you do not fully understand what you are talking about. You could have meant the graphite structure, the C60 structure, or even carbon nanotubes. Indeed, you keep talking about a NEW form of carbon! Diamond is most certainly not new, so AGAIN how is the reader to know you are speaking of diamond. Heck, I am sure everyone is STILL wondering if you meant diamond or not!

 

[jatslo]

The specimen undergoes a series of changes that involves the light spectrum, and I want to know the correlations to particles/waves, atmospheric pressure, etc. You appear to be a chemist, and you’re certainly someone that should be involved. <br /><br />With respect to Ultraviolet & Infrared Light, I stated that violet is a by-product of red and blue, as in ultrared and ultrablue. Why wouldn’t there be ultrayellow, and ultragreen as well?<br /><br />Could they be undiscovered colors, if not, then why?

 

[gfpaladin]

<i> The specimen undergoes a series of changes that involves the light spectrum, and I want to know the correlations to particles/waves, atmospheric pressure, etc.</i><br /><br />This has already been answered, in this thread.<br /><br /><i>as in ultrared and ultrablue</i> <br /><br />Again I have to ask if English is a second language for you. The statements that you make that are frustrating the people answering you MIGHT be due to a language barrier...

 

[gfpaladin]

IF<br /><br />(A)<i>I stated that violet is a by-product of red and blue</i> <b>TRUE</b><br /><br />AND<br /><br /><br />(B) <i> as in ultrared and ultrablue</i> <b> FALSE</b><br /><br />THEN<br /><br />(A) AND (B)<br /><i> Why wouldn’t there be ultrayellow, and ultragreen as well? </i> <b> FALSE</b>

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Again I have to ask if English is a second language for you. The statements that you make that are frustrating the people answering you MIGHT be due to a language barrier... </font><br /><br />No, English is my Primary language.<br />Yeah, that's obvious. I am not as well versed as _the_lost_packet_ is.<br /><br />What, are you and English major or something?

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">IF <br /><br />(A)I stated that violet is a by-product of red and blue TRUE <br /><br />AND <br /><br /><br />(B) as in ultrared and ultrablue FALSE <br /><br />THEN <br /><br />(A) AND (B) <br />Why wouldn’t there be ultrayellow, and ultragreen as well? FALSE</font><br /><br />Hello! True; False; False? How about True; Maybe; Maybe? You're stating that everything that can be discovered has already been discovered. Don't you think that is a bit arrogant?

 

[gfpaladin]

<i> What, are you and English major or something? </i><br /><br />Heavens NO! My spelling is so-so and my grammar passable, at best.<br /><br />You can check my bio for my degrees...

 

[najab]

ultrared (aka green)<br /><br />ultrablue (aka violet)

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Materials Engineer <br />Hobbies SCA related topics and amateur astronomy <br />Location East Coast <br />Bio BS Physics <br />MS Physics <br />PhD Materials Science <br /></font><br /><br />Looks good. I am working on a bachelor degree in business management. Science is more like a hobby, and I have worked for IBM, Intel, i.e. robotics, engineering, materials analyst, etc. My engineering background is mostly engineering support.<br />

 

[jatslo]

Why bother responding, you don't even quote me right?<br /><br />Hydrogen gas (stable, oxide is water)<br />Then liquid hydrogen (unstable, oxide is water)<br />Then Metal hydrogen (unstable, oxide might be water)<br /><br />What's the next step?<br /><br />Then Metal hydrogen (stable, oxide might be something else)<br /><br />Can that oxide be new, and can the oxide be pressed into something new?<br /><br />Hello! Your making an assumption that hydrogen does not transmute.

 

[thechemist]

jatslo,<br /><br />all oxides of hydrogen contain hydrogen and oxygen.<br />If hydrogen transmutates it will stop being hydrogen. It will become another element. This will need a nuclear reaction to take place. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">all oxides of hydrogen contain hydrogen and oxygen. <br />If hydrogen transmutates it will stop being hydrogen. It will become another element. This will need a nuclear reaction to take place.</font><br /><br />We can do that in an anvil, but I am not sure they will be able to contain the transformation. I hope they keep trying, and I hope they don't blow themselves up in the process.

 

[CalliArcale]

Okay, I think we're all getting a bit off the topic (although honestly I'm a bit confused as to the original topic anyway). Perhaps discussion of basic high-school level chemistry and physics needs to occur in a new thread. Let's try to get back to discussing light, okay? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The specimen undergoes a series of changes that involves the light spectrum, and I want to know the correlations to particles/waves, atmospheric pressure, etc. You appear to be a chemist, and you’re certainly someone that should be involved.<br /><br />With respect to Ultraviolet & Infrared Light, I stated that violet is a by-product of red and blue, as in ultrared and ultrablue. Why wouldn’t there be ultrayellow, and ultragreen as well?<br /><br />Could they be undiscovered colors, if not, then why? <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I don't think you understood my earlier post about the anatomy of the eye.<br /><br />Color as you are describing it is a phenomenon produced by the anatomy of the retina, not by any unique property of light itself. It is the way we *perceive* visible light. It is so fundamental to our understanding of the world around us that it is difficult to realize that primary colors are defined by our eyes, not by light itself. Mixing red with blue to produce violet only works because of the way it stimulates our cones. We perceive violet when the red and blue cones are both being stimulated to the same or a similar degree.<br /><br />"Ultrayellow" would be green. This is because in this context "ultra" means "a little higher frequency than". And green is what's higher frequency than yellow.<br /><br />However, ultraviolet is not a combination of ultrared and ultrablue. Ultrablue *is* violet, by definition, and since primary color combinations only apply to visible frequencies, you can't get ultraviolet by combining visible light. Ultraviolet does not stimulate the cones in the human eye. It is too high a frequency. The experience may be different for butterflies and bees, which can see in ultraviolet, and presumably snakes that see in infrared also have a different experience than we do.<br /><br />If we had a different structure inside our retinas, and perhaps had four different cones inst <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Okay, I think we're all getting a bit off the topic (although honestly I'm a bit confused as to the original topic anyway). Perhaps discussion of basic high-school level chemistry and physics needs to occur in a new thread. Let's try to get back to discussing light, okay?</font><br /><br />I will switch to gamma rays, if that is okay. Also, I will change the original scope of this thread, so that it encompass all aspects of light in general. Can you suggest to me how I might achieve this mission?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">Gamma rays from nuclear fallout would probably cause the largest number of casualties in the event of the use of nuclear weapons in a nuclear war. An effective fallout shelter reduces human exposure at least 1000 times.<br /><br />Gamma rays are less ionising than either alpha or beta rays. However, reducing human danger requires thicker shielding. They produce damage similar to that caused by X-rays, such as burns, cancer, and genetic mutations.<br /><br />In terms of ionization, gamma radiation interacts with matter via three main processes: the photoelectric effect, Compton scattering, and pair production.<br /></font><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray<br /><br />The following pick is a "all sky map in gamma rays />100Mev from the egret instrument aboard the CGRO gamma ray telescope". What is the correlation to that large band and masses? It kind of looks like a super galaxy! Purples and Reds appear to be the color of choice in the pic as well, so why is this?<br />