Video footage of UFO over New York

[MeteorWayne]

By the way, this is obviously quite old <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[ethereality]

I've seen those before. Hoaxes. I'll see if I can dig up the data on them. <br /><br />

 

[kmarinas86]

The video comes from many sources. Note that it does not have the signature timestamp on it as some of the other SciFi happens videos. I suspect that THOSE videos were made by SciFi Network.<br /><br />The video was shown on Mexican and Japanese TV, possibly before it was aired on Sci Fi.<br /><br />I believe there is every reason for Barbara Sicuranza to claim its a hoax, from psychological, to career, to credibility, and to the fact that her letters after 9/11/01 contradicted the letter she wrote pre 9/11/01, implying an influence on Sicuranza by the 9/11 attacks.<br /><br />You may see the videos (3 sources) where I uploaded them at:<br /><br />http://video.raelian.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=ufo<br /><br />I have a stitched version located at google video (24 fps +30 fps = 54 fps):<br /><br />http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2558713533276232700&q=wtc+ufo

 

[ethereality]

Raelians, SciFi.com... well, at least its got all the biggies in science going for it.

 

[imrippinit]

Check out the 3 white streaks shown during the clip.<br /><br />It appears they were watching repeated white streaks when the "blimp" was floating unnoticed between the towers.<br /><br />The whites streaks can be seen starting at the center decending from right to lower left...

 

[imrippinit]

Hoaxes are in the eyes of the beholders (gullible ones at that). Obviously a cover up would be true to form for other phenomena over the past 50 years unless you are still one of the few who think that all phenomena can be explained away as swamp gas, weather balloons, supersonic blimps, or space debris.

 

[ethereality]

<i>"Obviously a cover up would be true to form for other phenomena over the past 50 years unless you are still one of the few who think that all phenomena can be explained away as swamp gas, weather balloons, supersonic blimps, or space debris."</i><br /><br />Ah, the Cover Up. <i>That</i> must be why there's no evidence. The <i>&%$#@!s</i>.<br /><br />You <i>were</i> aware that 95% or so of UFOs that are competently investigated are explained as, oh the irony, weather balloons, supersonic blimps, or space debris, and myriad other mundane causes, right? 'Swamp gas' is a canard -nobody ever used that one except once: Dr. J. Allen Hynek working on a Michigan sighting in the 1960s. <br /><br />Other frequent, proved causes of UFO reports: planets, the moon, hoaxes, unconventional lighting on aircraft, space launches, air-towed ad banners, hoaxes, car headlights, aircraft landing lights, a wide array of meteorological effects, hoaxes, tightly packed bird flocks reflecting sunlight, water surface reflections, fata morgana, and... what else, there many many more, oh yeah... and hoaxes. <br /><br />I saw the above-linked vids a while ago. Another member of the message board where I saw it put up a link revealing the hoax. I'm trying to locate it or that board member, see if he's still got it. <br /><br />

 

[ethereality]

I found it. It's a hoax, a promotional shot and paid for by the Sci-Fi Channel. <br /><br />http://www.rense.com/general41/scihoax.htm<br />http://www.ufocasebook.com/wtcvideo.html<br />http://www.alcione.org/VIDEONY1/videony1en.html<br /><br />Now where's that feller who said <i>I</i> was gullible for thinking it was a hoax? <br /><br />

 

[imrippinit]

Believe it if it suits you. I think the whole hoax story was concocted after it happened to "protect" society. I'm convinced.

 

[telfrow]

If Rense and Company labeled it a hoax, you're probably pretty much alone in that belief. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[ethereality]

lol. Good'n. <br /><br />When I was looking up the hoax links, somebody in one of them predicted that ardent believers would just declare the hoax a hoax and keep on believing. Bingo.<br /><br />

 

[imrippinit]

The result of disinformation.<br /><br />Bunk.<br /><br />That wasn't faked. There were two many inconsistencies with the order of events including her change of tune. The fact that Sci-fi would not of lied, initially. Many details of the clip that weren't noticed until after 911, etc. <br /><br />If Rense is impartial he should recognize that people have changed their stories in the past as well. Look at Roswell. The commander in charge initially acknowledged it was a craft with humanoids, but he was quickly relieved and it became a weather balloon. Recently, in one of the old photos, they have been able to read words on one of the relieving commander's rolled up papers that mention a craft and bodies being shipped.<br /><br />Cover up. Why would they cover up? Well, they must have had reasons then, since then, and now.<br /><br />Rense must realize that if they were willing to cover up Roswell and other incidents since then that they would do whatever they could again! Look at Kecksburg. Big time cover up. http://www.scifi.com/kecksburg/ The example of that radio announcer (the one who was told to be quiet and told everyone he was told to be quiet) getting killed may have even been used to shut Rense up.<br /><br />You can deny it. You can poo poo it. But you still can't see that footage duplicated so well. Even with today's best technology they wouldn't have been able to guess all of the way down to the vapor trails created by the extremely high and prolonged compression created by the nearly 90 degree turn up into space. The physics in that sequence were incredible.<br /><br />You can fool most of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. <i>**ad hominem deleted**</i> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">For all I know you could be government hacks.</font><br /><br />Now where have we heard <b>that</b> before? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[imrippinit]

Where is the rest of the clip before the UFO? No one ever discussed that they were watching repeated white streaks in the sky before the blimp [UFO] appeared between the towers or when they saw it, for the first time, peeking around the edge of the twr.<br /><br />There are three white streaks at the begining of their clip before they shifted to the UFO. But the flow of the clip definately suggests that they were watching multiple white streaks beforehand. This explains her question "what is that?". She had not seen it till that moment. She was watching the white streaks.<br /><br />It is amazing how quickly things died down after Barb "admited" that Sci-fi and her were in on a lie together.<br /><br />Paleaseee! It's real. You know it. Or your blinded.<br /><br />Watch it again...<br />http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4521482851149317053<br /><br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<b>WHY?</b> Why does this poorly produced video for SCI-FI continue to draw breath? It's a dead issue. Even UFO researchers and half-cracked wuwus would turn their head away from this. You may as well talk about Battlestar Galactica being real or put on your Starfleet uniforms and have Scotty beam you up. It is a promotional spot for the Sci-Fi channel. That's it.<br /><br />PS - Why do people revive dead threads? This subject coughed up blood and expired over a year ago. If you want to discuss controversial UFO footage.. at least pick some that aren't television commercials. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[imrippinit]

Kill it like Roswell or Kecksburg? Not everyone bailed. Poorly produced? That was the most ridiculous thing I have heard.<br /><br />Why would you expect a home movie to be produced well? That's kind of the point actually. How would something produced so poorly have such excellent special effects? <i>**ad hominem deleted**</i>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">You must be another government hack...</font><br /><br />I repeat: where have we heard <i><b>that</b></i> before? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[imrippinit]

So if the "chariots/wheels" do travel interdimensionally the beings in the vehicles would be supernatural. If so, their intentions in regard to us may be good or bad, but obviously destroying us isn't there objective if they are bad (we'd be toast by now) just as if they were good their efforts to save us from our predicament may not be evident or appropriate. I would guess that if they were bad they may want to decieve us as their master decieves. If they were good they may have some "prime directive" that they are commanded to follow. The answer is in the Scriptures.<br /><br />There is much Scripture that alludes to craft and multi-dimensions in the Bible. Here is one passage that refers to Satan as the Prince of the Power of Air. Curious title to be found in the Bible as is the great deciever who disguises himself as an angel of light.<br /><br />Ephesians 2<br />1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.<br />4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)

 

[yevaud]

Cease continual accusations of the dire covert govermental involvement (five so far) of users at SDC. They have achieved the level of harassment and/or ad-hominem. <br /><br />Period. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[qso1]

imrippinit:<br />There is much Scripture that alludes to craft and multi-dimensions in the Bible.<br /><br />Me:<br />Nothing unusual in that. I think craft is open to interpretation but humans have been fascinated by flight since the earliest days of their existence. This lead to worship of various Gods including the Sun God, birds are portrayed as Deities in some cases. Multidimensions are implied just by the very mention of Heaven and Holy Ghost.<br /><br />imrippinit:<br />Curious title to be found in the Bible as is the great deciever who disguises himself as an angel of light.<br /><br />Me:<br />Depending on your religious beliefs...this could be just a reference to the Devil literally disguising as an Angel. If your agnostic or athiest...it could be a cleverly written story of morality.<br /><br />Whether alien or not...biblical authors had at least been able to be influenced by someone assuming they didn't make the whole thing up. I doubt it totally made up, probably a combination of fact and metaphor. But the point is, if aliens are responsible for biblical sightings and interaction as evidenced by the devils presence? Where are they now?<br /><br />We can't prove religious and biblical events any more than we can currently prove UFOs are ET piloted craft visiting earth. This is how and why the two subjects are interelated IMO. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[imrippinit2]

qso1<br />If we use scientific method much of what is believed or theorized is theory because it is unobservable. Old vs young earth ( http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2019 ) for instance.<br /><br />If "aliens" are actually demons or even fallen angels described in Scripture then we are told that we will not see them typically, but we may and if they do not reference Christ as Lord when they appear then they are merely disguising themselves as good.<br /><br />If the theory that the Bible is just a good book is true than there are some scary and some very exciting promises in there that are lies. If it is a good book that is actually truth than there are both scary promises as well as extremely good news.<br /><br />As these important theories go, the outcome could be either very good, very bad, or nothing. God's hope (according to the Bible) is that all will seek Him through his available plan for us to beat Satan's interference and influence. He also says that unfortunately most will not take advantage of the escape hatch he has supernaturally provided through the blood of His son Jesus Christ. Sounds very spiritual? I believe it is the truth.<br /><br />Another interesting article on an issue that has caused some evolutionists to change their minds: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i2/yellowstone.asp<br /><br />Soft tissue found in dinosaurs bones. 70 million years old???<br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

 

[ethereality]

Not to endorse imrippinit's um, 'ideas', or to go against moderator directives, but after all I <i>am</i> Chairman of the President's Council On Maintaining UFO Secrecy. <br /><br />Suffice it to say that no matter what the claim at issue is, if a believer is willing to simply redefine disproof as false, nothing -obviously -may be done or said to dissuade him and further discussion is pointless. All you can do is pat him on the head and walk away, thanking heaven you don't think like that.

 

[qso1]

imrippinit2:<br />If we use scientific method much of what is believed or theorized is theory because it is unobservable. Old vs young earth...<br /><br />Me:<br />Thats true. Technically, we were not around to observe evolution etc. And I'm not really addressing religious issues. Just the issue here in this thread of UFOs over New York for which there is video evidence if this is the sighting I think it is. The evidence shows what I described earlier but I have since learned it was a TV commercial. Although I haven't gotten hard confirmation of that, it seems the more likely explanation IMO unless new evidence were to come to light that supported the UFO explanation.<br /><br />In fact, the whole idea that UFOs have to be compared to God or religion as in suggesting UFOs are valid despite not being provable as evidence for God is said to be...demonstrates we have not come that far where UFOs are concerned. Sure ET visitations are possible but IMO, were at the same stage we were in the 1970s when I first became aware of this phenomenon as something going on beyond science fiction books, movies. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[ethereality]

imrippinit - Understand that there are different forms of observation, with the first breakdown being direct/indirect observation. Researching the fossil record is a direct observation in archeology, while an indirect observation in evolution.

 

[branketra]

I just watched the close up video of the WTC UFO.. That was....either something very well made, or these UFO occupancants are doing the same thing that the Federation from Star Trek did with developing civilizations, only not as discreet.