White holes?

[jatslo]

White holes are opposites of black holes, whereas black holes attract matter, and white holes repel matter. There is no evidence of white holes, but that is not surprising to me, since there is nothing that we are familar with that can exist in one. Think of a white hole in terms of pressure; high and low, like in weather. High pressure is associated with empty space, whereas low pressure contains the masses. However, this does not mean that high pressure is empty. it is just my speculation.

 

[nexium]

My guess is there are no whiteholes, but the main stream theory/hypothesis reguarding black holes is approximately correct. Sorry; I have no evidence and I am poorly qualifierd to evaluate the logic of the others who posted in this tread and those who publish in prestugious journels. Neil

 

[jatslo]

White holes exist, we just cannot see them, because they are empty.

 

[neutron_star69]

Well how do you knwo if they exist, like you said we cannot see them so how would you know if they actually exist. I want you to convince me that they do!

 

[neutron_star69]

Well how do you know if they exist, like you said we cannot see them so how would you know if they actually exist. I want you to convince me that they do!

 

[jatslo]

A white hole is an inflationary vacuum mass that repels matter similar to the great attractor only reversed. However, I cannot tell you how to make one, because I am working on a prototype that I would like to keep secret for the time being. If you want to prove that a white whole exists, then you need a inflationary vacuum, and the -(Gravity) will increase when you press it, which is either scalar or vector depending on applied force.

 

[neutron_star69]

I see what you mean but how can there be a white hole if we dont know for sure whether black holes truely exist. The idea im sure will work but you cant tell for sure whether white holes exist because you would need a black hole and they also may not be real.

 

[jatslo]

That sounds like ANTI-universe, in which a black hole sucks matter from our universe and spews anihilated matter into the other, and this is doubtful. Black holes are real; however, I think they are just super massive stars that are black because the hydrogen turned opaque, or black due to heat. It is doubtful that there is a black hole powering our galaxy.

 

[harmonicaman]

<i>"...that repels matter similar to <b>the great attractor</b> only reversed."</i><br /><br />The Great Attactor" is simply a moving point in space which is the apparent center of mass for our local galactic group; there's nothing really there...<br /><br />Since our galaxy blocks our view of about 25% of the universe, I imagine we can't see about 25% percent of the galaxies closest to us and their unseen mass probably accounts for the mysterious pertubations we attribute to "The Great Attractor".

 

[scull]

What I would like to add to all of this is that relativists sometimes talk about <i>grey holes</i>.<br /><br /><i>black hole</i> = an object into which matter and radiation fall, but nothing escapes.<br /><br /><i>white hole</i> = an object from which matter and radiation escape, but nothing falls in.<br /><br /><i>grey hole</i> = an object from which matter and radiation escape, rise to a certain distance above the event horizon, and then fall back in.<br /><br /><br />This is rather like the description of the Universe as emerging from a big bang, expanding for a while, and then contracting back into a big crunch.<br /><br />We may live in a grey hole.<br /><br />--<br />

 

[jatslo]

That sounds like a geyser, volcano, Etc.

 

[scull]

The wrath of Scull Skywalker shall be upon thine head this night, Master Jatslo. <img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />--

 

[scull]

Also......<br /><br />black hole = singularity in the future<br /><br />white hole = singularity in the past<br /><br />--

 

[jatslo]

In terms of scalar and vector quantities, a gray hole would be something that spews within an attractor, and that spew has insufficient escape velocity or speed, so it falls back into the abyss of space-time. However, if this is true, then it is also true that gray could suck matter into a white hole with insufficient momentum to reach equilibrium only to get spewed forth into the cosmos. I like to refer to this phenomena as springing forwards and/or backwards in space-time.<br /><br />If these two types of vacuums are barriers, then the ability to spring past displacement mass rest between stars or galaxies is a critical component. For example, as we leave are star, gravity will weaken to the point where it repels, and if our momentum drives us past rest, then the mass will repel us in the proper direction. <br /><br />It is possible that our crafts will bounce off of the space-time between, and that is very bad for your anatomy.

 

[scull]

The spacetime between will be of no harm for I have created a device that will keep the star gate open. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />?

 

[neutron_star69]

are you serious? i would like to see an image of this invention because i highly doubt someone could create a device can hold a star gate open, that would take equipment beyond your imagination

 

[newtonian]

harmonicaman - The Great Attractor is not the center of gravity of our local group, as you posted - and there is plenty there!<br /><br />Scientific American, 10/98, in an article entitled “Galaxies behind the Milky Way,” reports on the recent discoveries of galaxies, super clusters and the Great Attractor:<br /><br />“Somewhere behind the disk, for example, are crucial parts of the two biggest structures in the nearby universe: the Perseus-Pisces supercluster of galaxies and the “Great Attractor,” a gargantuan agglomeration of matter whose existence has been inferred from the motions of thousands of galaxies through space.” - “Scientific American,” 10/98, p. 52<br /><br />[The article also discusses discovery of a 180 degree asymmetry in the cosmic microwave background radiation, known as the dipole - way off thread theme but immensely interesting]<br /><br />Back on the Great Attractor, Sciam has a (light + x-ray) photo of it with this caption:<br /><br />“CORE OF “GREAT ATTRACTOR” has been identified as galaxy cluster Abell 3627. It appears both in a visible-light image (background) and in x-ray observations (contours). Over 100 galaxies show up in this negative image; most of the dots are stars in our own galaxy.” - Ibid.<br /><br />Note that this core area of the Great Attractor has more galaxies than does the local group!<br /><br />“One research group, later referred to as the Seven Samurai, used the motions of hundreds of galaxies to deduce the existence of the Great Attractor about 200 million light-years away [see “The Large-Scale Streaming of Galaxies,” by Alan Dressler; Scientific American, September 1987]. The Local Group seems to be caught in a cosmic tug of war between the Great Attractor and the equally distant Perseus-Pisces supercluster, which is on the opposite side of the sky.” - Ibid., pp. 53,54.

 

[scull]

Do you possibly want to sign up to go through the star? So far no one's going for it.<br /><br />Anyway, it has to do with making antigravity.....<br /><br />--

 

[jatslo]

If you are 250 lbs, and you equipment is 2000 lbs, then you only need to counter weight slightly more: -2250 lbs; however, there is a question as to whether or not the Electromagnetic Field Generated will block harmful particles, and because of this you are limited to certain speeds and/or velocities.

 

[astrophoto]

There are no white holes because there are no black holes.

 

[newtonian]

scull - Actually, a white hole does not necessarily exist - if you are referring to the relativistic derived mathematical definition.<br /><br />That is roughly a black hole with no matter inside, i.e. a zero mass black hole - which is certainly possible mathematically, but not likely possible in our universe - except, perhaps, at the origin of our universe if space-time was created before matter or energy was incorporated into it.<br /><br />Here is a link to a relatively simple (not simple) definition and explanation of a white hole:<br /><br />http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=108

 

[scull]

And the grey holes?<br /><br />Much we don't know about the true nature of the Universe. I would <i>humbly</i> refrain from saying there are none.<br /><br />--

 

[scull]

Newtonian-- I'm talking about Schwarzchild's solutions to Einstein's equations. That's all. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[newtonian]

astrophoto - Just curious, why would you say there are no black holes?<br /><br />There are observations scientists feel are explained by black holes - how would you explain those observations - for example: gamma ray bursts?<br /><br />Note, however, that I agree it is likely there are no white holes in our universe at this time. Note my above post. <br /><br />And also note that String theory posits other dimensions. Other dimensions, or other membranes as in the collision of brane model for the origin of our universe, can intersect at a point (or, alternately at a straight or curved line, etc.). Such a point might resemble a white hole in some ways - from effects from interacting dimensions.<br /><br />That is way out there btw - I am speculating way outside the box.

 

[scull]

I thought your device was supposed to be underwraps?<br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />