A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 3)

maxtheknife · May 26, 2005

Lol, you folks are creative, I'll give you that! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

Leovinus · May 26, 2005

You have to be creative to turn natural landforms into artificial constructs! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zenonmars · May 26, 2005

najaB retorts: [ZEN'S COMMENTS IN BRACKETS] "*You presuppose that it is an artificial, rather than natural feature." [I DO NOTHING OF THE SORT. I LOOK AT ALL THE MARTIAN ANNOMALIES AS PROVABLE OR DISPROVEABLE BY THE AQUISITION OF MORE AND BETTER DATA] "*You are looking for the data that will confirm your supposition, rather than looking at the data and seeing what you can determine from it." [NO, WE AGREE THAT THE EXISTING DATA CAN NEITHER COMPLETELY DENY NOR COMPLETELY CONFIRM THE ARTIFICIAL SUPPOSITION] *"Having decided that it is artificial, you also have decided that it is a sculpture rather than an artificial structure that just happens to look like one." [NEVER SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT. I WOULD 'GUESS' THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING ARE ARCHOLOGIES: GIANT CONSTRUCTIONS WHICH, IN THE CASE OF THE FOM ARE SHAPED ARTISTICALLY FOR REASONS NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD] *"You later go on to imply that NASA is deliberately withholding data - without even determining that there even is data to be withheld." [DATA TAMPERING AND DATA RETENTION IS A GIANT ISSUE IN AND OF ITSELF. IT WOULD REQUIRE A THESIS-LENGTH POST AND A THREAD OF IT'S OWN. I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED THAT SUBJECT] "*And finally you wrap your...'hypothesis' up in the guise of good science, all the time maligning and badmothing the efforts of dedicated, professional scientists who are conducting legitimate, methodological science on Mars, just because they have the good sense to call your 'God' RCH, the fraud (or delusional nutcase) that he is." [NONE OF THE 'HONEST' FOLKS AT NASA, THE GUYS IN THE TRENCHES, EVER HAVE A PUBLIC PLATFORM TO DENEGRATE RICHARD. THE HISTORY OF THE NASA 'BOYS AT THE TOP' INCLUDES THE PURPOSEFUL IGNORING OF ALL MANNER OF EVIDENCE OF FORMER LIFE ON MARS, THE HIGH-HANDERED SNOBBISH REJECTION OF HUGE PORTIONS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC'S DEMAND FOR MORE AND BETTER CYDONIA DATA, AND EVEN SUCH UNBELIEVABLE CULTISM AS THE MANIPULATION OF NASA <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

maxtheknife · May 26, 2005

Not to mention RESOURCEFUL! I'm impressed.... really. Never seen that before! Keep going, I'm intrigued.....You've quite a ways to go before you prove MA's contention, though. We already have, I dunno, how many pareidolia, examples????? Add one more. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

bobw · May 26, 2005

Dubbi Brothers LOL <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 26, 2005

Thanks...glad someone caught that. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Leovinus · May 26, 2005

I was pronouncing it Doo-bye and so didn't get the joke. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

mental_avenger · May 26, 2005

max says: Are the relationships the same as megalithic sites on Earth? I am sure such relationships can be found, if one selectively chooses the points the way Hogland did. max says: Do they include a half man/half lion visage, tholus, pyramids and other anomalous features to boot? Since Mars does not contain a half man/half lion visage, the question is irrelevant. Since the “pyramids” on Cydonia are not even symmetrical, they are also irrelevant. As to other “anomalous” features, those appear to exist only in the minds of the true believers. max says: If that's your contention, the onus is on you to prove it. I might take the time to show it, but only because of the others here. Since your mind is already made up, it would be a singular waste of time to attempt to “prove” anything to you, regardless of the validity of the evidence. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

mental_avenger · May 26, 2005

You don’t have to shout…… zen says: The history of the nasa 'boys at the top' includes the purposeful ignoring of all manner of evidence of former life on mars, That is patently false. They study ALL the data. The fact that they haven’t come to the same conclusions as you, does not mean they are ignoring anything. Whether some images are evidence of “former life on Mars” is a matter of opinion, not fact. Since they are the professionals, and you are not, their opinion holds a LOT more weight. (The fact that it happens to generally coincide with my opinion is a bonus <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> ) zen says: the high-handered snobbish rejection of huge portions of the American public's demand for more and better Cydonia data You misspelled miniscule. It should read “rejections of miniscule portions of the American publics irrational demand for more and better Cydonia data.” And, it is neither high-handed or snobbish, it is their mandate, their mission statement, and their job. zen says: , and even such unbelievable cultism as the manipulation of nasa missions by one or more secret societies and their secret agendas to replicate ancient egyptian religious cosmological ritual Yet another conspiracy theory? You want to explain that one? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

Leovinus · May 26, 2005

At least with a used car salesman, you come away with a car. With FOM, you come away with nothing. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

rubicondsrv · May 26, 2005

this thread is heading downhill(to phenomena) fast... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

yevaud · May 26, 2005

I don't know why, but when you say that "eat SDC" stuff, I see Dan Akroyd, Harold Ramis, and Bill Murray, standing on a rooftop, watching the rampaging "Stay-Puf'd Marshmallow Man..." <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

mental_avenger · May 26, 2005

No, really, this is the perfect place for this thread. It keeps it off the serious discussion boards. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

nazcalito · May 26, 2005

Excellent example, telfrow, but there's another thing in the picture of Eritrea or whever it is. When you blow it up, there are these straight lines that look like roads, but of course they are just natural volcanic cracks, since this is a picture of a natural landscape with no signs of intelligent life on it. This takes care of any argument by Mac the Knife and those folks that there are any artificial constructions on Mars.

telfrow · May 26, 2005

...since this is a picture of a natural landscape with no signs of intelligent life on it. Never said it was. I used it in response to a request by Max we try and find features here on Earth that resembled the FOM. This takes care of any argument by Mac the Knife and those folks that there are any artificial constructions on Mars. Never said it did. It's just another piece of "evidence." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 26, 2005

Avenger said, "Whether some images are evidence of “former life on Mars” is a matter of opinion, not fact. Since they are the professionals, and you are not, their opinion holds a LOT more weight. " What about other professionals? When Jim Calhoun and Ron Nicks weighed in on the grinding of the crinoid-looking "fossil", am I, an ignorant lay man, supposed to just lay down and die? "I have been a collector of marine fossils for 34 years, an amateur to be sure, but with years of field experience. When I saw the "Fossil" pic [on "Enterprise"], it was clear to me that it met a number of the basic criteria of fossilization. RCH was correct in that "scale does not matter," as the physical characteristics of the item are immediately apparent, and it is sad that the MER team did not present a professional paleontologist to comment. In that light, I have heard a varied number of explanations as to what type of fossil this could be, everything from a segmented worm (annelid) to a shrimp (crustacean). I would like you guys to consider that based on the symmetry of the object, that it could be in fact an early Crinoid, a filter feeding marine plant-like animal, a type with a calcium carbonate exoskeleton (this is Earth-based of course, the Martian exoskeleton [could] have been of a differing mineral composition)." - Calhoun Avenger: "It should read “rejections of miniscule portions of the American publics irrational demand for more and better Cydonia data.” 30 to 40% of all Americans seems weighty to me: http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/poll?view=12409&pollId=12443&channel=aol_us_researchandlearn Avenger: "Yet another conspiracy theory? You want to explain that one?" Why, can't you read? I thought you guys were fully versed in all of Richard's "nonsense"? http:</safety_wrapper <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

yevaud · May 26, 2005

He's doing it for comparison purposes, and to illustrate a point. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

mental_avenger · May 26, 2005

“Ladies and gentlemen. If you look off to your left you will see the famous “Mittens” of Monument Valley, Arizona. Notice that there is both a left and a right mitten, making it a matched pair. These incredible monuments were no doubt constructed by an ancient civilization that once inhabited this area. The exact reason they were built is not known, but it is suggested that they were either built by people with all their fingers fused together, or by a civilization that lived in this area when it was much colder. Whatever the reason, it is clear that the two hands are reaching skyward, perhaps praying for rain, or worshiping an unseen deity. Next on our tour is the famous…………..” <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

nazcalito · May 26, 2005

...since this is a picture of a natural landscape with no signs of intelligent life on it. telfrow: "Never said it was. I used it in response to a request by Max we try and find features here on Earth that resembled the FOM." that's quick! You're commenting on the picture I posted before it is even approved and displayed. So you weren't saying that this shot of Eritrea was just of a natural landform with features that look artificial, but aren't? I thought that was your point.

telfrow · May 26, 2005

that's quick! You're commenting on the picture I posted before it is even approved and displayed. What photo? There's nothing attached to that post. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · May 26, 2005

That *is* his point. We're trying to find a fair comparison with Martian terrain, so we have something to compare it with (artificiality or not?). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · May 26, 2005

Thanks, Yevaud. That is the point. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · May 26, 2005

Yevaud: See what happens when we follow your advice? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

nazcalito · May 26, 2005

that's quick! You're commenting on the picture I posted before it is even approved and displayed. "What photo? There's nothing attached to that post. " The last time I looked at the message it distinctly said "Image Waiting for Approval" on it. oh I see, it was 2k over the limit. increasing compression from 1 to 8. the software really shouldn't tentatively approve a picture and then just delete it like that. it's irritating....

yevaud · May 26, 2005

Yes, chaos. You didn't know that was my purpose here? Hehehehe... <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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