A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 3)

najab · May 27, 2005

And they wondered why I was bowing out of this 'discussion'.

telfrow · May 27, 2005

When you go on your "all out offensive blitz," please tell me which one of the "straight" lines on the "pryamid" we're supposed to use. Where's the indication there is a Line 1? Do we use the obvious and previously unmarked Line 2? Please let us know. We need to check the validity of the geometry before we can start looking for Earthly counterparts... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · May 27, 2005

Please let us know. We need to check the validity of the geometry before we can start looking for Earthly counterparts... Thank you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

najab · May 27, 2005

Breaking my own word here, but....Zen said (among other things): About the man that John Kennedy hand picked to select the Apollo landing sights, an Egyptian, the number one Mason on Earth, who's connection to the bloodline of the Pharohs earned him the nickname "the king" by the various Apollo astronauts.p>Kennedy was assasinated a LONG time before the Apollo program was anywhere near choosing landing sites. In fact, when Kennedy was killed, they didn't even know what method they were going to use to get there, and hence couldn't have been discussing landing sites. AND the Apollo landing sites were not chosen by a single person. Much like the recent Mars rovers, the scientific community was asked to submit suggestions, and from that list of suggestions a committee (which included scientists, engineers and the mission commander) would choose the site.About the 19.5 and 33 degree celestial alignments of the constellation Orion (Osirus) and Sirius (ISIS) on every Apollo mission.p>What the hell is that supposed to mean?About hidden Egyptian symbolism slipped into the Greek mythos of Apollo mission sets logos.p>Given that the ancient Greeks studied at the feet of the Egyptians, it's hardly suprising that their mythologies overlap. About how Pathfinder was launched in a tetrahedral package, when the planet Mars was 19.5 degrees above the horizon of Cape Canaveral, then landed at symbolic tetrahedral coordinates on Mars itself.p>A tetrahedron happens to be the most efficient shape to use for a lander that has to (a) fit under the payload faring and (b) uses airbags to cushion its landing. Any other shape (such as a cube) would have made deploying the airbags excessively complex, and/or have required a larger diameter rocket. Exactly what are "symbolic tetra

a_lost_packet_ · May 27, 2005

Maxtheknife - A lecture on politeness from a guy who tried to flip us the bird in part 1?.... Yes. Here is what I posted in relationship to that pic on this thread (italic) and in the picture mod-request thead. (Note, I very, very, very rarely ever ask for a "hurry up" on pic submitions. This was not a "hurry up" request but a request submitted so that the pic would receive special attention from the mods so they could make a judgement call regarding it.) I wish you to decide whether or not the image is suitable for posting in the forum given the context in which it is being represented. I have copied the post below. The image is #221505-slid44.jpg (My submission #) a_lost_packet_ - This picture is interesting. However, one feature has been totally ignored. If, using image interpretive skills similar to what have been used by "Alien Artifacts on Mars" proponets have revealed a "face" image, then why did they not reveal the structure right beside the face? I'll tell you why. Because it doesn't fit into their fantasy and the imagery can not be justified by their mythology. (Note: I realize that someone may not approve of this "outline." However, I have posted it as exemplorary of what "Artificiality" proponents completely refuse to "outline" because it doesn't fit into their mileu of unsubstantiated mythology. I will post in the image submission forum a copy of this post so that it will be sure to be looked at by a mod. Please review the image for suitability. If it is determined not to be suitable, I will make an attempt at verbally describing the "outline." This is not an attempt to gibe any posters in this thread, no matter how much I may disagree with them.) /i> This is for someone to make a "judgement call" on. If the pic is deemed unsuitable, I will attemp <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · May 27, 2005

*Anyone know another reason why "Runway 39A" is wrong? Yes. They're not runways, they're launching pads, replete with all of the hardware and accoutrements. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

nazcalito · May 27, 2005

This is one of my favorite Mars anomalies. It's from an ESA color shot of Hellas. The clip on the right has been run through Intellihance, but it was hardly necessary to do so. In the lower left hand corner is a distinct "2." Look towards the upper right hand corner and you'll see a another, partial "2" in the same size and shape. They look like they have been stamped on the picture with one of those old Dymo label embossers that make those stick-on plastic labels with raised letters and numbers. Now pyramids, cyclopean ruins, crumbled arcologies I can conceive of, but a big "2"? The ancients using the same numbering system as we do? The only thing I can think of is that this is the remains of an ancient subdivision plat or tax map where the Hellas recorder's office actually went out and labelled the ground to make sure people would pay their property taxes, and that is just a little too odd for my tastes. Unless ESA has been stamping numbers on their images.

bobw · May 27, 2005

Anyone know another reason why "Runway 39A" is wrong? There are only 360 degrees in a circle? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

najab · May 27, 2005

Close, but think like a pilot....

najab · May 27, 2005

Ding! Tell him what he's won, George... If we're 'arguing' with people who think there's 390 degrees in a circle, what hope do we have? <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

zenonmars · May 27, 2005

Good morning, boys and girls......... Steve: "each additional one, such as his Masonic claims, are simply more of the same. Taken out of context, unsubstantiated, invented" In Aldrin’s autobiography, Return to Earth, the only mention of Masonry is when he says that he temporarily lost his grandfather’s Masonic ring that he wanted to take to the Moon while suiting up for the mission. He says nothing about that banner, nor of the “SPECIAL DEPUTATION” he undertook for the Texas Grand Lodge on the Moon. However, the charter of the Tranquility Lodge in Waco indicates it was to “claim Masonic Territorial Jurisdiction” on the Moon for the Lodge. So Aldrin apparently claimed the Moon for Texas Masons. The whole thing, frankly, sounds like a fraternity prank; except that there is no mention of the banner whatsoever in his book nor at the site of the Supreme Council. It is a secret, just like the ceremony was. Since the mission, timed to the second, did not allow for much playtime, perhaps it was more important than it seems. This at least demonstrates that Buzz knows how to keep the Craft’s secrets (though Neil, Mason or not, is even more close-mouthed). It is perhaps all the more remarkable then, that Aldrin performed a rite that he was not so reticent about discussing. It is another one of his “firsts” — he was the first man to perform a religious ritual on another world, shortly after landing. Here’s how he described it in Return to Earth: "During the first idle moment in the LM before eating our snack, I reached into my personal preference kit and pulled out two small packages which had been specially prepared at my request. One contained a small amount of wine, the other a small wafer. With them and a small chalice from the kit, I took communion on the moon, reading to myself from a small card I carried on which I had written the portion of the Book of John used in the traditional communion ceremony." (p. 233) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zenonmars · May 27, 2005

Jon........ Very good post. Here is an example of very fair and clear-headed response. This ancillary information goes a long way in understanding the nuances in these very complex analyses, science that is way above my pay-grade <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> You said, " the case for the “face” is weakened." And using those data sets, I tend to agree, Weakened, but not nullified. Man, I'd give ANYTHING to have Carlotto and Hoagland participating in this thread! I am desparately curious to hear Carlotto's opinions of the pre-dawn Themis data of the Face (glowing rectilinear panels and all!). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Leovinus · May 27, 2005

In addition to 39 being wrong, suffixes will be L, C, or R for Left, Center, and Right. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

yevaud · May 27, 2005

Sorry, Naj. Thinking like a pilot is what I didn't used to do...since I shot planes down, not flew 'em. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I see your point though. a 390 degree circle is a bit off... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · May 27, 2005

Zen, you may be on to something here. When I started playing "connect the dots" with the mirrored "Goat Head" from Dubbi, look what I found! <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Leovinus · May 27, 2005

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telfrow · May 27, 2005

Best representation I've seen yet. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · May 27, 2005

>...glowing rectilinear panels and all!ARRRGGHH!!!!There is no evidence to support the pure conjecture that you've stated as fact! There is absolutely no evidence that there was anything "glowing" in the THEMIS image. There is no evidence at all that there's anything "rectilinear" in the THEMIS image. And there's definitely no evidence at all - none, zero, zilch, nada - to support the characterisation of anything as being "panels"!I can't take it any more!!! <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" />

zenonmars · May 27, 2005

Lolol....tel..........

Same compass on this map of DC!!! Except this one's for real!! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zenonmars · May 27, 2005

Gosh.....................SORRY!!!! You guys are such sticklers for details. I typed runway, and NOT launch pad. My bad. Shoot me now. The question still is begged, why not Pad #1 and #2.............or 38 & 39? Cause the tetrahedral symbolism would be destroyed? Oh yes, the RUNWAY is the MASONIC number.......33! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

najab · May 27, 2005

You guys are such sticklers for details. I typed runway, and NOT launch pad. My bad. Shoot me now. Oh yeah. Runway. Launchpad. I get those mixed up all the time. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> The question still is begged, why not Pad #1 and #2.............or 38 & 39? Because (and I bet the studio audience will get a laugh out of this one) it was the 39th launch complex built on the Cape, and it had three pads: 39A, 39B and 39C (though later the third pad was cancelled).

mental_avenger · May 27, 2005

Gosh.....................SORRY!!!! You guys are such sticklers for details. I typed runway, and NOT launch pad. Hardly a “detail”, more like a major difference. While you are at it, since you made the claim (19.5 x 2) (inferring that the launch pads were deliberately numbered 39 specifically as a multiple of 19.5) where is your proof that the number used (39) was intended to be a multiple of 19.5? Also, which individual was responsible for the numbering of those launch pads and what was his connection to Masons? You made the claim, let’s see the proof. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

yevaud · May 27, 2005

They *are* rather unmistakeably different, yes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

najab · May 27, 2005

Does anyone else see the irony in Zen's ongoing photo analysis of the FOM, when he's demonstrated not being able to tell the difference between a launchpad and a runway?

zenonmars · May 27, 2005

najaB: "Does anyone else see the irony in Zen's photo analysis not being able to tell the difference between a launchpad and a runway?" Ha ha, what a stupid boy Zen is!!! I sure am stupid...........but I learn by asking the experts. I admire you guys, because you always have great specific details, which I seriously pay attention to. In keeping with this "yearn to learn" attitude, can I ask you guys a question or two? (yes, OFF topic as can be. I am not so stupid as to ignore THAT fact...): Why do we have a shuttle named Atlantis? Why do we have a Space Station (ISiS) named after the most important of Egyptian Goddesses? Waiting to be educated <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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