A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 4)

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

Besides the orientation, if the Hoagland tetrahedral/hyperdimensional model is correct, it should work in a number of marvelous ways, and much like "Sacred Geometry" itself (see Plato <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> ), it could have a whole SET of reference "points" to define the geometry. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

So those are your anchor points for the sides shown? It would be helpful if you could use the full site version we discussed earlier. One of the anchor points is missing. And, curiously, your lines don’t follow the existing ridge lines. It looks nothing like RCH’s drawings or the drawings at Cydonia Quest. Is that what you intended? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · May 31, 2005

So, basically what you are saying is that the message doesn't necessarily depend on the geometery we see now, since the hyperdimensional model allows for it to be defined in multiple ways?

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

naja, It isn't MY fault that they want to use this particular pic. Is it? ... It "doesn't show the rightmost anchor point" "The yellow line doesn't pass through the top anchor point ('A'?)" So? Why does it have to? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

I will use ANY D&M pic, as long as it is viewed "upside down" Ah, the game starts, and the rules change.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

So these are you anchor points? (Less the one we still need to identify?) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

telfrow: "It looks nothing like RCH’s drawings or the drawings at Cydonia Quest. Is that what you intended?" What I intended was this: (a view from any point other than straight above, can only be guessed at by a non-Mac using idiot like me!) <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

It isn't MY fault that they want to use this particular pic. Is it? Did you read my post to Max? And the post where I admitted the seam on the photo probably wasn't precise enough for our "experiment"? Never mind. Silly question. Of course you didn't. I suggested to Max we use the best available data. He never responded. No decision was made...others on this board said that photo should be used. I suggested, in an earlier post to Collin, that we use the other "full view" photo. You guys are amazing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

oh boy..........."Ah, the game starts, and the rules change...." No, tel, they don't. btw, is NOBODY curious about what's in here? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

najab · May 31, 2005

>btw, is NOBODY curious about what's in here?No. Because that's nothing more than another attempt to change the topic.

telfrow · May 31, 2005

Thanks for the anchor points, but no thanks. The entire purpose of this little experiment was to test Plait’s contention that Hoagland’s math and measurements were incorrect. Max has complained loudly and viciously about Plait for weeks and repeatedly asked us to prove his claims as they related to his article “City Slicker.”. And that’s what we were getting ready to do. Until you did what you always do… throw something into the mix designed to confuse or hide the issue. (Like Rosewell, Freemasons, ad naseum). When in trouble, change the subject. And I fell for it - I used up an entire afternoon turning photos around. No more. Guys, we’ve been tag teamed. Again. And personally, I’m not going down that road. I’ll be happy to deal with your “new” information after we take care of Max’s Plait experiment. Until then, I, for one, intend to stay focused on what we intended to do - deal with Max's demand for an experiment. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · May 31, 2005

(I assume you meant to reply to Zen and not to me?)

telfrow · May 31, 2005

Yes naja, my mistake. Sorry. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

No need to look Zen. I already know. Data weasels. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

LOLOL!!!! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> The Giant Rats of Cydonia!!! lol.......So THAT's what happened to Mars Polar Lander!!! heheh..... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 31, 2005

It's a weasel, Zen. A data weasel. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 31, 2005

Look, nobody is changing the subject. If you would just get busy and do it, we could discuss it. When interrupted by stellar posts like Bobw's, how can we not get distracted? It's your team that's putting up smoke screens Telf, not ours. Some folks just don't know how to focus like you and I. Please lead by example. You have the data, you know the geometry model. Use the Mosaic at keith's site for all I care. At some point, you have to put your pencil in your hand and work. Your above image seems to be a start.... keep going. FYI.... Naj was the one who was whining about me posting the color/ir image. Then you said "NO". We'll use MY pic. Whatever.....I was just trying to help. I would like to state for the record that you will probably get better results using the color/ir image. There's more definition and clarity of the geometry. For your experiment, that is the better image, but like I said.... I really don't care. If you're serious, and I hope you are, your results ought to be satisfactory. If not, I hope you give the color/ir a try and see what happens..... Understand my reasoning? No tricks, no quick dismissals, just honest, rigorous science. Also, I did find the margin of error refrence in Monuments.... It's +/- 3 degrees in either direction. So 33 could measure 30 or 36. Ok? I would expect your experiment to be even more off. If you used the color/ir I would say double it. With your image, I would say more. How much more? I dunno, what do you think? In all seriousness....best wishes Telf, for a safe procedure tomorrow. Really <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

tel: " I’ll be happy to deal with your “new” information after we take care of Max’s Plait experiment." Well, tel, I don't really know if I can wait till Pt. 5 <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Zen thinks: Of course, at this rate, that might be Sunday! And, of course I want you to gang up on Max!... lol... He, I think knows what I know: That the redundant geometry encoded in the D&M (or in the shape of the D&M, if it proves "natural") and the redundant geometry between the other anomalous objects at Cydonia, are telling us about a shape called a tetrahedron. Why the tetrahedron is significant, and why the elegance of encoding that mathematical message in the monuments of Mars and in the ancient megalithic structures here on Earth, can only be appreciated by at least a cursory understanding of hyperdimensional physics, it's "signatures" seen all over this solar system, and it's pontential and place in our very near future. Plaitt right or wrong? Max drawing lines? Giant Rats of Cydonia? It just doesn't matter. We have to make the "jump to light speed", as a species, so to speak. We are arguing about whether someone made that jump nearby, a "long, long time ago". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

maxtheknife · May 31, 2005

BTW... I'm going to miss part 3. Loggin in, scrolling down and seeing this made me laugh every time.... So I guess I'm going to post it again! lolol <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

maxtheknife · May 31, 2005

Actually, this is pretty damn funny too! LOLOL! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

a_lost_packet_ · May 31, 2005

In regards to recent posts/happenings: Look. When I get busy and don't have time to come to the board, that is not a cue for you people to put in 300 posts... I read them all and am sufficiently "caught up" now. However, there is a little catch: There is nowhere to "catch up to." It's still at square one. I will try to reply to posts I missed seperatetly, where able. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

zenonmars · May 31, 2005

Hi, naja, ...this is a bit late, but you guys are postin' monsters! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> You asked, "So, basically what you are saying is that the message doesn't necessarily depend on the geometery we see now, since the hyperdimensional model allows for it to be defined in multiple ways?" Well, the message of tetrahedral geometry is evident by the internal mathematics of the D&M, and the replicating e/pi ratios (19.5 anyone?) found throughout the Cydonian "complex". And, yes the message is dependent on the geometry, and the D&M, as "we see it now"is in terrible disrepair. That is why I am not concerned about limbs that appear to have collapsed away from the overlaid lines. And it is my opinion, given the new "face" Bob Wonderland has put on the D&M, that YES, the D&M may have originally been designed, platform and all, to be a multi-dimensioned statement of that physics. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> Thanks for asking! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · May 31, 2005

In reply to ZenOnMars: ZOM (Note, the original post is ancient, given the speed in which posts are generated in these threads. But, I do my best to reply..) a_lost_packet: "How can you learn anything if all you do is ask questions" ZenOnMars - ...SERIOUSLY? And you don't think I am listening to the various answers? No. I do not. Whether by design or not, the key point of each answer presented by a poster in response to your question(s) that contradicts a RCH theory are often ignored or another question, often unrelated, is raised as a direct response to that key point. a_lost_packet_-"the same questions are being posed by RCH proponents again and again and again." ZenOnMars - Yep. Like, since we can NOT definitively settle the artificiality argument with all the existing data we now possess, when are we going to get more & better data from NASA? That question was answered several times by various posters within the thread posted in "Freespace." Cassini's current schedule along with additional missions planned by NASA and other agencies were listed in direct response to your continued questioning regarding this issue. ZenOnMars - When will we get firm commitments from NASA to penetrate these mysteries once and for all with the arsenal of technology at their disposal? That question has been answered several times both in the thread in "Freespace" and in the original thread posted in "SS&A" (I think that's where the RCH discussion started). I will summarize: "NASA will direct further resources when there is clear ev <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

a_lost_packet_ · May 31, 2005

Mental_Avenger (?) - 2. That Malin even had a choice on where his table was set up. Maxtheknife - Excuse me, MA. I have a business and I've participated in many trade shows. I would presume that science shows (or whatever they're called) are similar. If you pay for the booth, you get to choose your space. First come first serve, usually. How does "First come, first serve" figure into "choosing your own space." In actuality, you are assigned a space determined by the following: 1) The amount of space you contracted for. 2) The needs of your booth/presentation. (Electrical, AV etc.) 3) The category that your company fits within. Most shows have several different types of areas with companies catering to unique needs can be grouped. ie: Service, Consulting, Manufacturing, etc.. 4) Lastly, and most importantly, how much clout you have with the sponsoring organization is a great determiner of booth placement. However, if it is more of a "general" show, then you may have to offer additional "incentives" for premier placement. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

a_lost_packet_ · May 31, 2005

Mental_Avenger: " A constructed archeology would have eroded in a more even manner because the structure would no doubt be made entirely of the same material. The fact that the infamous mesa on Cydonia, and the nearby pyramids, all are eroded in a manner consistent with natural (non-uniform material dispersion) indicates that they were not constructed artificially. If it had been mud brick, the hard ridges would not be there." ZenOnMars - ... and the Romans loved marble. There was an interesting civilization in the western part of Earth that seemed to only use glass, metal alloys, and a composite they called "concrete". The Romans, for all intensive purposes, invented concrete. It was one of their most popular construction materials. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

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