Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

[lunatio_gordin]

after all, he's not just yelling, but yelling at a mod, no less.

 

[Leovinus]

Well then, I suppose the computer and joystick which were installed in the LEM were a better version than the piece of crap you were trying to use. Either that, or our astronauts were better pilots than you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[luciusverus]

<b>Well then, I suppose the computer and joystick which were installed in the LEM were a better version than the piece of crap you were trying to use. Either that, or our astronauts were better pilots than you. </b><br /><br />I vote for all of the above..........!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

 

[telfrow]

Ditto.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

<br />bigbrain---YOU CAN NOT ABSOLUTELY CONTROL THE LUNAR MODULE THRUSTED FROM THE BOTTOM WITH THIS RIDICULOUS COMPUTER AND JOYSTICK. <br /><br />bigbrain,<br /><br />It has already been done, so what is the problem?<br />

 

[skyeagle409]

<br /><br /><br />bigbrain---All my opponents are silent BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY. <br /><br />bigbrain, <br /><br />Actually, I have been waiting for you to explain why anyone would spend billions of dollars on space projects that you claim never took place. If you can't answer the question, then what is there to say? <br /><br />I am still waiting for you to answer the question about this flying platform. Note the location of the engine on the platform and the position of the pilot in relation to its engine. <br /><br /><br />http://www.hiller.org/flying-platform.shtml <br /><br /><br />bigbrain---Try to balance a coke can on your forefinger. It tends to fall down in any directions at 360 degrees. <br /><br />Sky---Once again, where is the location of the engine on that flying platform? Is the engine located: <br /><br />A. Above the vehicle <br /><br />B. Below the vehicle <br /><br />

 

[skyeagle409]

bigbrain---"...Develop a system that can control a 13,000 kg spaceship, orbiting at 3,500 kilometres per hour around the moon, land it safely within metres of a specified location and guide it back from the surface to rendezvous with a command ship in lunar orbit. <br /><br />bigbrain, <br /><br />Lunar vehicles have landed on the moon before, so what's the problem?<br /><br />

 

[skyeagle409]

<br />bigbrain---The lunar module opposed to those gravity forces that made it to roll down in any directions with a swinging rocket engine and 3 gyros. <br /><br />sky---What's the point? The F-104 was built in the 1950's and it has anhedral wings at mid-fuselage yet was still flyable. <br /><br />

 

[vogon13]

'Flying bedstead' (LM simulator) worked fine at earth's surface. <br /><br />Might even contemplate Avro car, too.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[petepan]

bigbrain said, <font color="yellow"> <br />Then go to: <br />http://klabs.org/mapld04/papers/g/g202_portillo_p.pdf <br />page 10. <br /><br />With that computer and with that joystick did you land on the moon? </font><br /><br />so a picture of a joystick somehow 'proves' we didn't go to the moon <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />you also said <font color="yellow"> Hey, go to: <br />http://www.abc.net.au/science/moon/computer.htm <br /><br />"...Develop a system that can control a 13,000 kg spaceship, orbiting at 3,500 kilometres per hour around the moon, land it safely within metres of a specified location and guide it back from the surface to rendezvous with a command ship in lunar orbit. The system has to work the first time, and minimise fuel consumption because the spacecraft only contains enough fuel for one landing attempt. <br /><br />Do this with a computer that has barely 5,000 primitive integrated circuits, weighs 30 kg and costs over $150,000. In order to store your software, the computer doesn't have a disk drive, only 74 kilobytes of memory that has been literally hard-wired, and all of 4 Kb of something that is sort of like RAM...". <br /><br />Hard disk 74k <br />RAM 4k </font><br /><br />this is what you conveniently forgot to quote from the same site...<br /><br />"Sounds daunting? <br /><br />That's the task that faced Peter Adler and Don Eyles of the MIT Instrumentation Lab who were responsible for developing the software for the Apollo Lunar Module. <b>Their system worked</b>, but almost caused the first moon landing to be aborted in the final minutes before the touchdown. <br /><br /> <i>(emphasis added)</i><br /> <br />Stark Draper ran the MIT Instrumentation Lab that developed the Apollo Computers - the first to use integrated circuitry. <br />The Apollo mission was conceived

 

[Leovinus]

<i>So, tell me again, why the Americans couldn't go to the moon?? </i><br /><br />Or not.<br /><br />Before Apollo 11 landed, there were plenty of people who said it couldn't be done. They could probably make a good case at that time. However, after the landing, those people were suddenly silenced when they were proven wrong. Well, most of them anyway.<br /><br />When a person says that a task that has been done is impossible, that's when we call out the nice young men in the white suits. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

Two proofs that we DID go to the moon with the Apollo project. <br />(1)<br /><br />The USSR was not only our opponent during the Cold War, but was our rival in space. So much so that many believe that their would not have been an Apollo project if it hadn’t have been for this rivalry. IF the USSR could have found that the US IN ANY WAY had faked the moon landings I can perfectly assure you they would have!! In particular as their own program had suffered though not only great failure, but a horrifying launch pad accident that killed over 100 Russian aerospace workers.<br /><br />(2) <br />There is a facility on the top of Kitt Peak Arizona that projects a laser beam from a telescope to the moon. This telescope aims at several of the landing sites of the Apollo project. Once this laser beam hits the site it is reflected off of a laser reflector that WAS PLACED UPON THE MOON BY APOLLO ASTRONAUTS!!!! The relatively prosaic but important purpose of this procedure is to measure with great accuracy the distance from the Earth to the moon. There are several of these reflectors on the moon. They could not have been placed upon that moon by robotic means, as the robotics of the time would not have been capable of doing so. They could ONLY exist because Apollo astronauts PUT THEM THERE!!! This was brought out at the end of a program by the National Geographic on cable TV that completely debunked the Apollo Moon Hoax People. An astronomer at this facility stated that he wondered why nobody from the Apollo Moon Hoax groups had ever even visited this ABSOLUTE PROOF that men had been on the moon during the Apollo era!! Figures doesn’t it………<br /><br /> <br /><br />

 

[petepan]

bigbrain said, [yellow]<br />Then go to: [/yellow]<br />http://klabs.org/mapld04/papers/g/g202_portillo_p.pdf <br />page 10. <br /><br />[yellow] With that computer and with that joystick did you land on the moon? [/yellow]<br /><br />so a picture of a joystick somehow 'proves' we didn't go to the moon [rolleyes]<br /><br />you also said [yellow] Hey, go to: <br />http://www.abc.net.au/science/moon/computer.htm <br /><br />"...Develop a system that can control a 13,000 kg spaceship, orbiting at 3,500 kilometres per hour around the moon, land it safely within metres of a specified location and guide it back from the surface to rendezvous with a command ship in lunar orbit. The system has to work the first time, and minimise fuel consumption because the spacecraft only contains enough fuel for one landing attempt. <br /><br />Do this with a computer that has barely 5,000 primitive integrated circuits, weighs 30 kg and costs over $150,000. In order to store your software, the computer doesn't have a disk drive, only 74 kilobytes of memory that has been literally hard-wired, and all of 4 Kb of something that is sort of like RAM...". <br /><br />Hard disk 74k <br />RAM 4k [/yellow]<br /><br />this is what you conveniently forgot to quote from the same site...<br /><br />"Sounds daunting? <br /><br />That's the task that faced Peter Adler and Don Eyles of the MIT Instrumentation Lab who were responsible for developing the software for the Apollo Lunar Module. Their system worked, but almost caused the first moon landing to be aborted in the final minutes before the touchdown. <br /><br /> (emphasis added)<br /> <br />Stark Draper ran the MIT Instrumentation Lab that developed the Apollo Computers - the first to use integrated circuitry. <br />The Apollo mission was conceived at the height of the Cold War. Planners were concerned that the Soviet Union might try to jam any navigational information sent from the ground, so the on-board computers had to be capable of having autonomous co

 

[lunatio_gordin]

I think the conspiracy people ought to watch NG and discovery channel and such a little more, so they at least no what we're talking about. That show, in particular, is usually on once a week. I've seen it several times this summer. I'll let you know next time it's on, bigbrian.

 

[huey_pilot]

Remember, the programs that ran on the apollo computers were nothing but code, they didn't have fancy 3D graphics like todays programs. Thus making them a lot smaller, small enough to fit many programs on 74kb of memory.<br /><br />Why did you leave out the most important specs of the AGC? Scared that you were going to be proved wrong (again)?<br /><br />Here we go.....<br /><br />Instruction Set: Approximately 20 instructions; 100 noun-verb pairs, data up to triple-precision <br />Word Length: 16 bits (14 bits + sign + parity)<br /><br />Memory: ROM (rope core) 36K words; RAM (core) 2K words<br /><br />Disk: None<br /><br />I/O: DSKY (two per spacecraft)<br /><br />Performance: approx. Add time - 20s<br /><br />Basic machine cycle: 2.048 MHz<br /><br />Technology: RTL bipolar logic (flat pack)<br /><br />Size: AGC - 24" x 12.5" x 6" (HWD); DSKY - 8" x 8" x 7" (HWD)<br /><br />Weight: AGC - 70 lbs; DSKY - 17.5 lbs<br /><br />Number produced: AGC - 75; DSKY: 138<br /><br />Cost: $150,000<br />Power consumption: Operating: 70W @ 28VDC; Standby 15.0 watts <br /><br />Now read them carefully and while your at it learn about computers. They will be pretty tough for you to understand, but I'm sure if you try hard enough you will come up with an excuse not to read them.

 

[frodo1008]

But he is a "Bigbrain" and therefore needs no help from computers or the likes of us mere mortals!!<br /><br />Perhaps he could accept instruction from the great god "grok"? Perhaps I will see if I can go and entreat the great grok (who absolutely hates anything even close to being anti-Ameraican) to come over and visit Bigbrain and help him to discover great truth!!

 

[petepan]

praise to grok <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[bigbrain]

You have not technology to see your probe going to Mars. Your probe can not use a software that drive it looking at the stars.<br />Also telfrow agrees.<br />How could you land a probe on Mars?

 

[Leovinus]

How could you land a probe on Mars?<br /><br />Here's the answer: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/video/challenges.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

I have seen videos: they are only 3D cartoons made by Softimage, Maya or 3D Studio Max.<br /><br />Have you been able to create Mars following my instructions?

 

[Leovinus]

Creating Mars is not in my job description. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

The earth runs around the sun at 104,000 kilometres per hour along its orbit, Mars runs around the sun at 85,000 kilometres per hour following another orbit and you, without seeing anything, are able to drive your probe to Mars and to land it there.<br /><br />You like to crack jokes.

 

[Leovinus]

I think you are the one that is joking. This has been done several times. Get used to it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bigbrain]

Sometimes I use joystick, not joking.

 

[luciusverus]

<b>Sometimes I use joystick</b><br /><br />Is this turning onto a gay thread.......??<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />