BRA - Bussard Reflector Array

[dryson]

Here is a question that may provide the ability to create a tunnel through the particles in space that would allow a ship to have a lesser amount of particle's placed upon it as it accelerated faster and faster. The idea comes from reversing the Bussard Ramjet. Although proven to not be feasible in collecting enough hydrogen to power a ship what about reversing the process to instead of collecting hydrogen and other particles used to fuel the ship, the BRA would be used to create a field around the ship that would repel the hydrogen particles using magnetic and electrical fields?

 

[origin]

Here is a question that may provide the ability to create a tunnel through the particles in space that would allow a ship to have a lesser amount of particle's placed upon it as it accelerated faster and faster. The idea comes from reversing the Bussard Ramjet. Although proven to not be feasible in collecting enough hydrogen to power a ship what about reversing the process to instead of collecting hydrogen and other particles used to fuel the ship, the BRA would be used to create a field around the ship that would repel the hydrogen particles using magnetic and electrical fields?

Great, now the only minor detail is we have to invent a space ship that can travel a relativistic speeds and were all set!

Reminds me of the movie were Jack Black invents the name Va-poo-rize and only needs a chemical that can actually make dog doo vanish to complete the product line.

 

[dryson]

Great, now the only minor detail is we have to invent a space ship that can travel a relativistic speeds and were all set! Reminds me of the movie were Jack Black invents the name Va-poo-rize and only needs a chemical that can actually make dog doo vanish to complete the product line.

The problem that I see with going as fast as the speed of light really doesn't reside to much in gravity as gravity is generated from a planet and will diminish the farther away from the planet that you travel. The main problem is the buildup of particles in front of the ship. As a ship accelerates faster the ship will occupy more space then if the ship was going slower. When the ship occupies more space due to accelerating at a faster rate of velocity, the ship will encounter more particles within each section of space that the ship is occupying at the faster rate of velocity. The particles will build up in front of the starship because the starship is occupying space at a faster rate. The build-up of particles would actually place a drag upon the ship, as the ship tried to go faster and faster to occupy more space which would cause the ship to use more fuel. So by tunneling through the particles and then using the new DS4G Ion engine the starship might be able to overcome the drag associated with the particle build up as the ship accelerated to faster velocities.

 

[origin]

Great, now the only minor detail is we have to invent a space ship that can travel a relativistic speeds and were all set! Reminds me of the movie were Jack Black invents the name Va-poo-rize and only needs a chemical that can actually make dog doo vanish to complete the product line.

The problem that I see with going as fast as the speed of light really doesn't reside to much in gravity as gravity is generated from a planet and will diminish the farther away from the planet that you travel. The main problem is the buildup of particles in front of the ship. As a ship accelerates faster the ship will occupy more space then if the ship was going slower. When the ship occupies more space due to accelerating at a faster rate of velocity, the ship will encounter more particles within each section of space that the ship is occupying at the faster rate of velocity. The particles will build up in front of the starship because the starship is occupying space at a faster rate. The build-up of particles would actually place a drag upon the ship, as the ship tried to go faster and faster to occupy more space which would cause the ship to use more fuel. So by tunneling through the particles and then using the new DS4G Ion engine the starship might be able to overcome the drag associated with the particle build up as the ship accelerated to faster velocities.

Nope, the problem Is trying to go anywhere near the speed of light. A build up of particles is the least of your worries.

 

[dryson]

No actually the occupying of space which will have more particles building up at one time as the ship goes faster and faster would create an enourmous amount of resistance agaisnt the ship that would actually cause it to slow down.

 

[origin]

No actually the occupying of space which will have more particles building up at one time as the ship goes faster and faster would create an enourmous amount of resistance agaisnt the ship that would actually cause it to slow down.

My only point is you are putting the cart before the horse. Why worry about resistance (actually the bigger problem is at relativistic speeds an 'idle' proton or electron becomes ionizing radiation) when you have absolutely no way to travel at relativistics speed.

At any reasonable speed, say like millions of KPH the resistance is futile.

 

[TimeDog]

yea getting anywhere near the speed of light is your first worry. i dont believe there is much drag in space.

 

[MeteorWayne]

No actually the occupying of space which will have more particles building up at one time as the ship goes faster and faster would create an enourmous amount of resistance agaisnt the ship that would actually cause it to slow down.

The part you fail to grasp because of your lack of understanding of physics is that moving the particles out of the way will cause the same amount of drag on the spacecraft (since it takes work to move them out of the way) as it would to run into them. There's ain't no free rides in physics.

 

[kelvinzero]

No actually the occupying of space which will have more particles building up at one time as the ship goes faster and faster would create an enourmous amount of resistance agaisnt the ship that would actually cause it to slow down.

The part you fail to grasp because of your lack of understanding of physics is that moving the particles out of the way will cause the same amount of drag on the spacecraft (since it takes work to move them out of the way) as it would to run into them. There's ain't no free rides in physics.

I dont see any inherent reason why it cant work. It is analogous to a streamlined vs unstreamlined airplane. If you deflect particles a long way ahead of a craft, you only need to deflect them by a small fraction of your current velocity so that they will miss your main body. That is better than absorbing them and bringing them all the way up to your current velocity. Maybe you could even deflect them back after they pass the ship, so they have gained nor lost no net velocity.

 

[dryson]

I dont see any inherent reason why it cant work. It is analogous to a streamlined vs unstreamlined airplane. If you deflect particles a long way ahead of a craft, you only need to deflect them by a small fraction of your current velocity so that they will miss your main body. That is better than absorbing them and bringing them all the way up to your current velocity. Maybe you could even deflect them back after they pass the ship, so they have gained nor lost no net velocity.

That is the point that I was trying to make. Another question would be would the forward field of the BRA create an increased resistance back against the ship in the center of the field or would the resistance be subtle enough not to notice or cause any sever problems for the craft?

I really wouldnt be concerned with the particles being deflected back along their initial path before the field was exerted on them. The random nature of particles occupying space would have already have occupied the area behind the space before the particles at the fore section of the field found their to the rear section of the field.

 

[MeteorWayne]

sigh....

 

[SpeedFreek]

The problem that I see with going as fast as the speed of light really doesn't reside to much in gravity as gravity is generated from a planet and will diminish the farther away from the planet that you travel. The main problem is the buildup of particles in front of the ship.

So, if you can solve the problem of the particles in front of the ship, how are you going to solve the problem of requiring infinite energy to reach the speed of light? This is due to the equivalence between gravity and acceleration - an old fashioned way of putting it is that the faster you travel, the more your relativistic mass increases, and as you approach the speed of light your relativistic mass approaches infinity - thus you require infinite energy to actually reach the speed of light.

This means you cannot actually reach the speed of light.

But if you can solve the problem of particles in front of the ship, which, at relativistic speeds, would be turned into hard radiation sleeting through the ship, you might be able to devise a way to reach a speed that is perhaps a significant fraction of the speed of light.

 

[dryson]

So, if you can solve the problem of the particles in front of the ship, how are you going to solve the problem of requiring infinite energy to reach the speed of light? This is due to the equivalence between gravity and acceleration - an old fashioned way of putting it is that the faster you travel, the more your relativistic mass increases, and as you approach the speed of light your relativistic mass approaches infinity - thus you require infinite energy to actually reach the speed of light.

This means you cannot actually reach the speed of light.

But if you can solve the problem of particles in front of the ship, which, at relativistic speeds, would be turned into hard radiation sleeting through the ship, you might be able to devise a way to reach a speed that is perhaps a significant fraction of the speed of light.]

But what is the limiting factor of traveling the speed of light and faster?

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The main limiting factor is gravity as gravity is what defines the speed of light. With limited or hardly any gravity present there would not be any force to pull upon the ship as the ship leapt from light normal speed to light speed. The only question is what velocity does gravity travel at? Gravity has to have a velocity of travel in order for gravity to affect the travel of a light photon, otherwise when an engertic reaction occurs that would create the photon the photon would not have a limiting factor of traveling at the speed of light which is 299,792,458 meters per second. This means that at the conception of the photon the photon would be traveling faster then the speed of light but because of the energetic properties of gravity, gravity would affect the overall velocity of the the speed of light, which could possibly make gravity electromagnetic in nature. As the photon is accelerated away from it's point of conception gravity would affect one of the wavelengths of the photon. Take a look at the gluon model located here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feynmann_Diagram_Gluon_Radiation.svg you'll notice that one of the e's are of a positive value with the other two value's (e-, q-) both being negative in their value's. What this gives us is a 2:1 ratio of postive and negative values. Since gravity does affect the speed of light which is observeable in how light is affected by a blackhole means that gravity must be of negative value. We know that like magnetic charges repel each other opposite charges attract each to each other. When the photon is conceived gravity would force the two two negative values of e and q away based on the mangetic repulsion of like charges. This energetic reaction would force the photon away at 2C or 599, 584,916 meters per second, but since there is a positve value or e+ gravity would attract the positive value to the - value of the gravitational wavelength thus reducing the forward velocity of the light photon to C or the speed of light which is 299,792,458 per second.

In empty space, the photon moves at c (the speed of light) and its energy and momentum are related by E = pc, where p is the magnitude of the momentum vector p. For comparison, the corresponding equation for particles with mass m divided by gravities affect upon a negative value of the particle by increasing the forward velocity of the negative particle(s) would be divided by the number of postive particle values that would be affected by gravity that would reduce the overall forward velocity of the along a vector in an area of gravitated space.

/E^{2}=p^{2}c^{2}+m^{2}c^{4}

Vg = Delta x = (cp^-) (c is equal to 299,792,458 mps X the total number of negative value particles)
________ divided by
( np^+) (n = total number of particles with a positive value
________
Delta t = 1 second per meter (total amount of distance traveled at one second intervals.

At first I thought that the defining factor for faster then light travel was the amount of hydogen that would build up around a ship going as fast as light, then I thought gravity affects light and light can be seen at very far distances meaning that light photon's are the particle that is most present throughout the universe. The particle does not have mass but it does have an energetic field around it that would affect a ship traveling to and faster then the speed of light just as gravity affects the forward velocity of a photon. This is because as the ship reaches light speed the ship will have obtained the same velocity of gravity affecting the photon which would cause the light photon's energy to build up in the same manner that the hydrogen and other atom's built up a force of resitance upon the ship as the ship accelerated faster and faster occupying more space where the particles at each interval of length occupied would add a force of resistance to the forward velocity of the ship.

So another aspect of the BRA would be that it would somehow have to be able to deflect the atom's in it's path away or around the field as well as being able to deflect around the field the light photon's that permiate space-time much in the same manner that the Earth's EM field deflect's the Sun's harmfull rays around the Earth.

 

[origin]

But what is the limiting factor of traveling the speed of light and faster?

The main limiting factor is gravity as gravity is what defines the speed of light.

I did not read your whole dissertation because this initial proposal is wrong. Gravity in no way defines the speed of light. Why exactly do you think that to be true?

The limiting factor is that your relativistic mass increases as your speed increases. The increase is exponetial, it would take and infinite amount of energy to move a mass at the speed of light. I am sure you have seen this dozens of times now.

 

[SpeedFreek]

The main limiting factor is gravity as gravity is what defines the speed of light. With limited or hardly any gravity present there would not be any force to pull upon the ship as the ship leapt from light normal speed to light speed.

Utter nonsense. Why are you making this stuff up, in the physics forum?

 

[MeteorWayne]

Really..the Physics forum is for real physics, not stuff you make up.

Gimme a"U"

 

[dryson]

So far what I have discovered is that when you use the formulae Vg = C(np-)
______
p+

where:

c= the speed of light
n= the total number of electrons or p- in each orbital
p+ = total number of proton's
msgv = miliseconds of gravitational velocity, this means this is the velocity that each of the electrons in each shell are traveling at around the nucleus.

I took this forumlae and broke down the Lithium atom and came up with the following shell gravitational velocities.

S1 = 5,180,770.829 msgv
S2= 25,514,248.765 msgv
S3= 57,310,632.351 msgv
S4=120,570,272.331 msgv
S5=75,117,329.489 msgv
S6=25,514,248.765 msgv
S7=5,180,770.829 msgv

These numbers all relate to a velocity that is under light speed and would make the element pretty much a solid because of the velocities of the various shells or orbitals being under the speed of light.

 

[dryson]

I did not read your whole dissertation because this initial proposal is wrong. Gravity in no way defines the speed of light. Why exactly do you think that to be true?

The limiting factor is that your relativistic mass increases as your speed increases. The increase is exponetial, it would take and infinite amount of energy to move a mass at the speed of light. I am sure you have seen this dozens of times now.

Has this theory actually be proven wrong just to satisfy people who don't people to explore space or perhaps maybe the theroy has been proven to be true but has been covered up by people who don't people to explore space.

The only reason that mass increases is because of the effect of gravity pulling back upon the object as the object acclerates away from a gravitated area.

This can be seen by taking a slingshot putting a steel bee bee in it that would represent the ship accelerating to light speed and faster. Once the ship has reached the faster then light speed velocity of gravity gravity would no longer be able to hold the ship in place where the ship would be propelled into space in much the same manner that the bee bee is propelled towards it's target when the hand releases it's hold on the slingslot.

 

[origin]

So far what I have discovered is that when you use the formulae Vg = C(np-)
______
p+

where:

c= the speed of light
n= the total number of electrons or p- in each orbital
p+ = total number of proton's
msgv = miliseconds of gravitational velocity, this means this is the velocity that each of the electrons in each shell are traveling at around the nucleus.

I took this forumlae and broke down the Lithium atom and came up with the following shell gravitational velocities.

S1 = 5,180,770.829 msgv
S2= 25,514,248.765 msgv
S3= 57,310,632.351 msgv
S4=120,570,272.331 msgv
S5=75,117,329.489 msgv
S6=25,514,248.765 msgv
S7=5,180,770.829 msgv

These numbers all relate to a velocity that is under light speed and would make the element pretty much a solid because of the velocities of the various shells or orbitals being under the speed of light.

Interesting formula - what I mean by interesting is ridiculous. So the speed of light times a unitless quantity results in a term now having units of msgv. Wow that's weird!

So by setting up a meaningless equation that guarantees a velocity less than light (except for hydrogen and some atoms with certain levels of ionization) you think you have discovered why material is solid or something? :roll:

 

[origin]

Has this theory actually be proven wrong just to satisfy people who don't people to explore space or perhaps maybe the theroy has been proven to be true but has been covered up by people who don't people to explore space.

No it is obviously wrong so no work has or will every be done on it. Besides, the person that comes up with new ideas is suppose to prove them right or at least have some rational support for them.

The only reason that mass increases is because of the effect of gravity pulling back upon the object as the object acclerates away from a gravitated area.

Incorrect, incorrecto, faux, falsch, неверный. Am I getting through???