Business plans to realize practical wormholes

[mammad]

OK. Now, since you’ve agreed my assumption, usefully continuing this debate gets possible.

 

[mammad]

NGC4303,<br /><br />The science is the area of uncertainties, and I don’t want to use mottos like the chatty politicians. However, honestly speaking, I’ve gained enough assurance to announce the logical continuation of my researches, has to be done in a lab, via some experiments. <br />Your interest to help me, is a good news and thank you for that. Although, I think one of the most vital things in this subject, is making people aware of its importance (as you’ve correctly mentioned it), as much as one could. <br />BTW, you’re right about the truth. If this project had had existed, I would have being worked in the lab, instead of posting in this forum! All I want is receiving help to make it a real thing. Moreover, I think the “right people” can be more & more people who would want to invest. Therefore, I’ll announce the exact expenses of the project clearly, in a professional commercial website that I should be helped for that too!, to see how can be acted.<br />It seems many things depends on that conference. BTW, I don’t say you to donate 10 million dollars to me, but I guess you could simply BUY a ten-dollar debenture or share (which can get high interests actually) and introduce this movement to other interested people, at least. I want to know how is the response in the public toward this business plan, that’s it!

 

[qso1]

mammad: <br />Please consider there are boudaris between the theoretical physics & what we utilize in the rel world. Imagie the Wright brothers could fold a paper & fly that in the air to illustrate the idea of a metallic plane is real, but I can’t do a similaar thing in this case. It’s impossible, isn’t it? <br />Also, I respect all the done efforts in the privte aerospace industry, everyone is free to choose the best possible way. <br /><br />Me: <br />Even the Wright Brothers were unable to construct a metal plane...in part maybe because they hadn't thought of it. I also realize you cannot construct a fully functioning wormhole without investment and the people with the expertise in certain areas. <br /><br />Mammad: <br />Consider a wormhole, as an automobile design. That must be constructed artificially. <br /><br />Me: <br />I mentioned artificially constructed wormholes and like cars, at least this approach allows one to build the wormhole at the departure point rather than try to find one light years away. Now its a matter of building the wormhole at the opposite end. <br /><br />On your tech details, I stand corrected. I found them on the link you provided. I will have to read them and kind of digest the info. I'm no expert on this stuff. <br /><br />mammad: <br />Although, much more details are on the way, but what do you call presentig more & more details, when I haven’t seen a desired feedback? Being honest, or being naive? <br /><br />Me: <br />You have provided something now that I can give feedback on. That is, if I fully understand the concept once I read the tech papers. <br /><br />mammad: <br />And what would be your feeling if I were right & you would have lost a big chance, regarding its awesome applications & ramifications, as we watch in the movies? <br /><br />Me: <br />One reason I'm not an investor is I don't have the smarts for that game. So I imagine it would be just my luck what you describe would happen and well, my loss in that case. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[scottb50]

Well, one business that tried to successfully use wormholes was Enron...<br /><br />I don't think that's the wormholes being discussed here. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mammad]

qso1,<br /><br />Thank you. Yes, this project is very huge and needs many financial & technical sources to be realized, like a big airplane (say A-380), or an accelerator. <br /><br />… Now its a matter of building the wormhole at the opposite end …<br /><br />We should pass through a wormhole, as a worm digs forward a hole! The destination can be located during a dynamic framework.<br /><br />… I'm no expert on this stuff … <br /><br />So please ask the experts of the Einstein’s theory of gravitation to read it & explain it for you, maybe that would cause them to have some academic study on this work. I really need much more attention from the physics society.<br />You’re right, I need to gain more credit, along with providing more capital to perform this theory. <br />Besides, I understand the skeptic treatments to this subject, but I wish it would be possible to have a poll on it, in this credible website. Is it technically possible for the administrative team? That could give me a realistic statistical sample picture on the public opinion to the commercial features of this would-be-realized technology. <br /><br />… don't get too rattled by challenges …<br /><br />You’re right. I have to solve this problem.<br /><br />… best of luck to you …<br /><br />Thanks again. I love this technology could lead to a more humane world, with no war, no violence, & more comfort for the human race, … a better place, as it’s being dreamed in many poems & lyrics …

 

[mammad]

Scottb50,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. What type of wormholes are you talking about? Do you mean the wormholes which are studied in the General Relativity theory? Can you describe more?

 

[ngc4303]

To help you get some ideas about fund raising for projects, look up Dr. Geordie Rose in Vancouver Canada. He raised 20 Million dollars for the Quantum super computer research. His project is not complete yet, but hew has succeeded in creating computer chips for his project, or so I believe.<br />He knows how to get these things started; you should probably try looking up his methods.

 

[mammad]

NGC4303, <br /><br />Thanks a lot for your suggestion. I sent him an email. That was so:<br /><br />'" Subject: Request of Dr. Geordie Rose<br />To: rose AT dwavesys DOT com<br /><br />Dear Dr. Geordie Rose,<br /><br />Hello. I’m a young researcher on spacetime shortcuts & need funding to realize my plans. I was offered to contact to you, because you’ve gained successes to raise the needed money for a similar exotic project. <br />Anyway, I’d be so thankful, if you could have some guidance, advice, or recommendations for me please. <br /><br />Cheers & Happy new year,<br />M. Mansouryar<br />http://www.mansouryar.com <br /><br />P.S.: If you’d like to know how I was introduced to you, take a look at this discussion that one of the members suggested you to me: <br /><br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=businesstech&Number=643790&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1 "" <br /><br />I hope it works. However, there is no need to say: More suggestions, more probability of hot results ...

 

[ngc4303]

More suggestions? Try going to successvibe.com<br />Kinda new agey, but you may get some good advice there.<br /><br />Good Luck <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[chriscdc]

If this whole thing is real then I suggest that you forget about business at this time and instead persuade fellow physicists. I doubt that there are any sane investors out there who are smart enough to understand the workings of such a machine. Therefore if you are to persuade anyone to part with their money, you'll need a small army of very well respected physicists behind you.<br /><br />If you can't get them to support you, then forget it for now. Work on other things and get a reputation. Then look for investors.<br /><br />Also your link doesn't work.

 

[scottb50]

To paraphrase Leghorn Foghorn: That's a joke boy! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mammad]

NGC4303,<br /><br />I received a reply from Dr. Rose. His advice was receiving governmental funding. Quite humbly saying, I’ve started it too soon. Also, I just began posting in that forum, let’s see what would happen. Thanks again.

 

[mammad]

chriscdc, <br /><br />Thanks for the comment. Yes, you’re right. However, in a crazy world where money even can prevent a certain death by freezing a person, the main problem of launching an army of physicists & engineers, is its budget, rest of the work is only a matter of negotiation. You see man? I have to fight in two hard fronts: gaining scientific reputation along with gathering the required capital. Poor me!<br />BTW, which link did you mean?

 

[rogers_buck]

The best one I can think of is terraforming. If you can suck off the venusian atmosphere and deliver some of it to Mars, the moon, etc., or just out into space you can make new worlds ready for habitation without requiring thousands of years to do it. You could suck water out of dead jovian moons and irrigate mars.<br /><br />

 

[mammad]

rogers_buck,<br /><br />Thanks for the comment. Along with contacting to probable intellignt ETs, your thought is right. I mean the both mentioned applications are most revolutionary aspects of this technology. <br />However, apart from Mars, the best other candidates would be Titan & Europa; & after some year of experiencing, other stellar systems. We could have many chemical engineering on the atmospheres of them to pump the oxygen, adjusting the pressure to become similar to the earth & other yet-unknown capabilities. <br />In a world where most of the minds do attend to the violence, war, oil, politics & yellow news, such possibilities don’t excite the people effectively. But I’m not hopless and maybe some contracts could be agreed to take pre-interest, if the projects of colonizations would go OK, and provide some parts of the funding in return.

 

[MeteorWayne]

Whatever you do on Titan and Europa, it's not going to change the temeprature, so what is your point?<br />Humans sure can't live there! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mammad]

Well, the technology fans say the mega-scale projects could realize everything that is not in violation of the physical principles. Just think about it … when there is no physical distance obstacle many things can be done …<br />For example, huge solar mirrors could recieve the heat of sun & make a reflex on it to the sphere … I repeat: many “yet-unknown capabilities”. Many of the conditions would be set up artificially & for several initial years, humans would have to live in the underground installations. Remember the film “Total Recall” (starring Arnold, 1990?) ...

 

[MeteorWayne]

Are you saying there is no physical distance between the Sun and Titan?<br /><br />And what right would we have to modify Titan?<br /><br />Total Recall took place on Mars, a MUCH more hospitable environment than Titan. Surely you are joking if you are comparing the two? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[nyarlathotep]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Whatever you do on Titan and Europa, it's not going to change the temeprature, so what is your point?<br />Humans sure can't live there!<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I don't see why not. Pykrete is a good thermal insulator and both moons seem to have plenty of water. You might also have success with amorphous ice.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>And what right would we have to modify Titan?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I believe it's Europa that we're not allowed to touch. The monolith said squat about titan.

 

[mammad]

Of course & obviously I don’t say so. I wonder how did you conclude this remark from my words. The situation is clear: when you have a wormhole communicational system, physical distances between the things can be dramatically reduced & this gives you an awesome possibility to artificially affect the surrounding. Many experiences can be obtained by test & error procedure & I’m not talking on details (the aim of this topic is something else), only “physical principles”. My discussion is general, & the cited instances are simply because the Mars & some satellites of the Saturn are the best known places in the solar system for a probable colonization. Come on! Please look at the title of this debate …

 

[nyarlathotep]

I wasn't aware about a debate...<br /><br />Perhaps if you put forward an argument which included atleast a mathematical model, then there could be a debate.

 

[mammad]

How can one type the mathematical symbols herein? Although, I emphasize: don't worry about the scientific content, it's under study, please note this topic is about the "business plans".

 

[nexium]

Some of this may be practical in the future, but present plans to find worm holes and use them for any purpose are highly speculative. There may be a practical way to reduce the amount of atmosphere of Venus, Europa and Titan, but suck is the wrong word, as these bodies are loosing negligible atmosphere to the very good vacuum that surrounds them. Huge solar mirrors can warm them. Neil

 

[mammad]

Hello Neil,<br /><br />All of this may be practical in a future as far as one year or some, but present plans to “build” wormholes and use them for any purpose are ready, see this:<br /><br />http://proceedings.aip.org/vsearch/servlet/VerityServlet?KEY=APCPCS&smode=strresults&sort=chron&maxdisp=25&threshold=0&possible1zone=article&possible4=mansouryar&possible4zone=author&bool4=and&OUTLOG=NO&viewabs=APCPCS&key=DISPLAY&docID=1&page=1&chapter=0<br /><br />However all is needed, is a proper capital for that, so expect my business plan soon. I dislike & am tired of the governments policies (US, Iran, all of them); they’ve created an unpleasant world, so the private sector should handle the huge projects and ignore the governments with their dirty political games ...