Deep Impact Foul Play

petepan · Jul 26, 2005

Do not rely on Jon Clarke for information about Mars or anything else. ooh, that seems a little below the belt if you ask me.

najab · Jul 26, 2005

>Do not rely on Jon Clarke for information about Mars or anything else.I'd take Jon on his worst day loooooong before I'd take RCH's word for anything.

maxtheknife · Jul 26, 2005

Speaking of SNL, I can just picture Telfrow bouncing on his toes, waiting for the right moment, then, like Ladka, he sings, Here I come to save the DAY!!!

grr8 · Jul 26, 2005

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

telfrow · Jul 26, 2005

And how many different places are you going to post that link today, GRR8? Just here to spam? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · Jul 26, 2005

therm: "Also if the tidal-model predicted undergound water at Oportunity's landing site, it is wrong. That place is dry dust" Not the "tidal-model", therm. Space Dot Com: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_sea_040323.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zenonmars · Jul 26, 2005

Jon, "Groundwater has been suspected on Mars for decades, ever since Mariner 9 and was assumed before. Hoagland did not predict it. If he says he did, he is lying" You are right Jon, he did not predict it. He predicted where and why it would be found where it has been found. http://www.enterprisemission.com/tides.htm http://www.enterprisemission.com/right.html "Because of our specific prediction more than six months ago in our paper, that Odyssey would find exactly this anomalous (beyond our model) water distribution, we can state categorically that these findings constitute absolute, inviolable confirmation that our model is correct. It also proves that the work done by Palermo and England is correct, since the water distribution corresponds precisely where they have found what are now proven water stain images. What was stunning was that neither Boynton nor any members of the assembled press, either because of ignorance or timidity (is there any American institution that has fallen into a greater state of disrepair than the Fourth Estate?), made the slightest note of the fact that the water -- inexplicably for the established conventional models of Mars evolution -- was distributed on two such prominent features of the Martian landscape. This does not change the fact that there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in any conventional model that can account for this distribution. The only explanation that fits the data is our Tidal Model. Even after they had hyped the data to be presented as a "whole new Mars," and "tremendously exciting," not one of the scientists bothered to explain just why any of this constituted a "whole new Mars" -- --and nobody asked!!!! This astounding lack of curiosity by <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

thermionic · Jul 26, 2005

Ah, I get it now. You're pointing out that Opportunity's finding of a fossilized and now extinct ocean has nothing to do with Hoagland's tidal model that predicts the presence of subsurface water at Opportunity's landing site. Except for the fact that there isn't subsurface water at Opportunity's landing site, at least within a few hundred meters of the surface. It all makes perfect sense now. I'm convinced. I intend to become a Hoagland believer. I need to study up on his theses, and I'll report back with all sorts of similarly insightful commentary. I enjoy a taste of the absurd on occasion.

thermionic · Jul 26, 2005

That "whole new mars" quote can be found in the December 2003 (I think) National Geographic article about Mars exploration. The article discusses what the change in perspective/understanding is, and why it is exciting. You can find it in your public library. It's not in the secret files! Cheers!

ordinary_guy · Jul 26, 2005

It's not just Telfrow that's thinking: <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />And how many different places are you going to post that link today, GRR8? Just here to spam?<hr /></blockquote> At this rate, GRR8 may drive Tony the Tiger to find a new catch phrase. I still think GRR8 is Hoagland. Even if GRR8 isn't, he's close enough to be indistinguishable. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority. -Andrew Jackson (1767-1845) </div>

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

Well, I found the answer to my own question GRR8... Responses to “Deep Impact ... Desperate Delays ...? Updated 9:51PM”; RCH's "Captain's Blog." Note: Emphasis added in the following RCH to GRR8 (7/23/05): />They found something EXTRAORDINARY that they dont want us to see.< Yes. Time to rev up the "Space.com" campaign. Start by having them read the blogs .... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> GRR8 to RCH (7/24/05): You got it RCH. Will follow through with request for space.com. Thanks. "Time to rev up the "Space.com" campaign" Campaign? That explains a lot, doesn't it? "Targeted" by RCH himself? Is it just "Deep Impact" and GRR8 or does this extend to Max's Cydonia and Zen's numerology? How about it guys? Acting under "Captain's orders?" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · Jul 27, 2005

I really don't think GRR8 needs to be motivated by Captain Hoagland.... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Have you joined the TEM forum, Telfrow?! Here he comes to save the DAY!!!

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

I don't know...have I? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · Jul 27, 2005

Telf: Is it just "Deep Impact" and GRR8 or does this extend to Max's Cydonia and Zen's numerology? How about it guys? Acting under "Captain's orders?" If you have joined, you already know the answer to that. Which in turn means you're once again misleading the regulars here at SDC. RCH has been silent regarding my geometry work.

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

Which in turn means you're once again misleading the regulars here at SDC. I am? How? And when did I mislead anyone before? That's a fairly serious charge, my friend. How about some details? No, I didn't join...and I won't. Anyone can read the replies to RCH's "Captain's Blog" postings, Max. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · Jul 27, 2005

Just thinkin' back to all that scribbling and claiming that RCH was off by, what.... ~ 5 degrees?

maxtheknife · Jul 27, 2005

Anyone can read the replies to RCH's "Captain's Blog" postings, Max. Oh, didn't realize that. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

Yeah, you guys should be careful what you post there. Got caught with your hands in the cookie jar...<img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

If you have joined, you already know the answer to that. Which in turn means you're once again misleading the regulars here at SDC. I just looked at that again. So the answer is "Yes..." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · Jul 27, 2005

Yes to which question? Yes, you are misleading, or Yes, me and Zen are acting under RCH's direction?

telfrow · Jul 27, 2005

Very funny Max. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 27, 2005

telfrow - Well, I found the answer to my own question GRR8... Responses to “Deep Impact ... Desperate Delays ...? Updated 9:51PM”; RCH's "Captain's Blog." Emphasis added RCH to GRR8 (7/23/05): >They found something EXTRAORDINARY that they dont want us to see.< Yes. Time to rev up the "Space.com" campaign. Start by having them read the blogs .... GRR8 to RCH (7/24/05): You got it RCH. Will follow through with request for space.com. Thanks. telfrow - "Time to rev up the "Space.com" campaign" Campaign? That explains a lot, doesn't it? "Targeted" by RCH himself? Is it just "Deep Impact" and GRR8 or does this extend to Max's Cydonia and Zen's numerology? How about it guys? Acting under "Captain's orders?" LOL Outstanding work telfrow! It appears our suspicions have been confirmed. This is just another one of RCH's whacko PR campaigns and it's clear he's got the "Woowoo Patrol" acting under his personal orders! Attn: SDC Members who have the sense to differentiate fact from fiction, mythology and hucksterism. It's time to expose RCH for what he is. Forget about his followers, they're past redemption. Post on other forums that you are a member of and that have level headed individuals. Tell them what a fake RCH is and how he is corrupting those minds not strong enough to defend themselves. It's time to go after RCH! RCH is so delusionally paranoid, he may just stay awake at night in fear after his toadies report this to him. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jul 27, 2005

I was wondering what the relevence of GRR8's posting the link to RCH's Blog was. Damned if I saw anything of use there. Paranoia: Because sometimes people really *are* out to get you... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 27, 2005

There isn't any use. RCH's blog is just his attempt at luring people in to join his forum and pay him money. It appears he's so paranoid that he requires prospective members to cough up an idiotic fee every month to access even more useless garbage in his forums. I suppose he even tries to authenticate the identity of his users so only the intellectually underpriveleged can view his "revelations." Of course, by definition, that makes it much easier to snag them with "woowoo'isms." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jul 27, 2005

Of course. Curious thing...not that I'm implying anything here. Look at GRR8's username. R for "Richard," and "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. Hmmm. If we want to speak of conspiracy theories and suchlike. GRR8: "GRR8's Really Richard Hoaglund" or something? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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