Deep Impact Foul Play

[grr8]

See the contradictions stated by JPL/UofMd and the embargo of 4500 images and the hows and whys at http:www.enterprisemission.com (Captains Blog)

 

[vogon13]

Enterprisemission has less credibility than Pravda did during Soviet Imperial days.<br /><br />If Hoagland said the sun came up this morning, I would go outdoors and check. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[grr8]

Let WE THE PEOPLE judge the credibility of this by clicking on http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm

 

[arconin]

there is not a single thing that happens in space that RC 'Hoaxland' doesn't find something "odd" with. <br /><br />Not to say he is not entertaining to listen to on the occasional Coast to Coast show... quite the contrary, he can be facinating...in the same way that David Blaine is... but you have to know whats real and whats not.

 

[spacechump]

Yeah I didn't know that analysis of data by scientists before public release was a conspiracy...<br /><br />Nothing crazy about this except Hoagland himself.

 

[geos]

Just what are you thinking is going RIGHT on this Deep Impact mission?<br />The wait for the Data because <br /><br />WE GIVE UP<br /><br /> - Hoagland; Then Wallace Thornhill and Halton Arp have something to say about NASA spotted weasels

 

[JonClarke]

At least Pravada was often right, if slanted. Enterprise mission is not only slanted but wrong.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Really? Why haven't you checked his geometry claims?<br />

 

[maxtheknife]

Work wins over lack of work <i>every time</i>, Jon.

 

[telfrow]

GRR8:<br /><br />How many different places are you going to post this? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">GRR8 - See the contradictions stated by JPL/UofMd and the embargo of 4500 images and the hows and whys at http:www.enterprisemission.com (Captains Blog) </font><br /><br /><br />.... needs more cowbell!<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[ordinary_guy]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>GRR8:<br />How many different places are you going to post this?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />You know, with the "We the People" bit, I'm beginning to wonder if GRR8 isn't Hoagland himself... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px"><strong>Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority.</strong></p> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px">-Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)</p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

You never draw the lines in the right places. Probably missing out on the big true discovery because you twist all the data to fit your pre-formed conclusion.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Guess you wouldn't know, cuz you've never tried. Have you? <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

[maxtheknife]

<img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> lol, needs more coffee.... as in, wake up and smell it <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[ehrichweiss]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>.... needs more cowbell! <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Hahahahah!! That's from SNL, right?

 

[ehrichweiss]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>You never draw the lines in the right places. Probably missing out on the big true discovery because you twist all the data to fit your pre-formed conclusion.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Yep, when being a scientist you gotta be willing to prove yourself absolutely wrong. And it should be the very first thing you attempt when you have a hypothesis. Only then can you move onto the title of "theory" to see if you can prove HOW it happens. <br />

 

[yevaud]

Excellent point.<br /><br />Too many people out there who try to disprove everyone else, while not doing so for their own cherished hypothesis'.<br /><br />Fine if it's honest and transparent peer-review, but these sort of thing's usually aren't. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

Jon, <font color="yellow">"At least Pravada was often right, if slanted. Enterprise mission is not only slanted but wrong"</font><br /><br />And yet, what about when Richard Hoagland and the EnterpriseMission are so very often <i>right</i>? A single example would be TEM's prediction about where the underground water would be detected by subsequent NASA data missions.<br /><br />In 2001, Hoagland, Bara et al predicted :<br /><br /><i>"It is this GRS instrument which will furnish the first definitive test of the Mars tidal model presented in this paper.<br />One of the elements GRS will detect is hydrogen. Hydrogen makes up two thirds of every water molecule. Thus, Odyssey will map for the first time (to a depth of approximately one meter) the global distribution of hydrogen on Mars, from which a global distribution of all subsurface ice and/or liquid water will be inferred.[84]<br />The Mars tidal model specifically predicts, based on the currently observed bi-modal stain distribution in the MOC images, that Odyssey’s GRS will confirm a superimposed bi-modal distribution of subsurface hydrogen over Tharsis and Arabia on Mars. From this, a similar bi-modal distribution of ice and water on the planet will be inferred. Only the tidal model can properly account for this unexpected (to all other Mars models) expected global distribution"</i><br />http://www.enterprisemission.com/tides.htm<br /><br />Then, in 2004 the confirmation(s):<br /><br />http://www.enterprisemission.com/right.html<br /><br /><font color="yellow">"A salty sea once washed over the plains of Mars at the Opportunity rover's landing site, creating a life-friendly environment more earthlike than any known on another world, NASA scientists announced today.<br /><br />The rover found evidence for the shores of a large body of surface water that contained currents, whic</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="orange">a_lost_packet_-.... needs more cowbell! </font><br /><font color="yellow">erichweiss - Hahahahah!! That's from SNL, right? </font><br /><br />LOL yup! I thought it appropriate. It's difficult to embed sound files so I had to pass on "Three Blind Mice."<br /><br />Woob woob woob! Nyaaayaaaayaaaaa!!! <br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[thermionic]

Come on, man... If there had been no indication of historical water at the MER-b landing site besides Hoagland's 'model', why do you suppose it was sent there? Also if the tidal-model predicted undergound water at Oportunity's landing site, it is wrong. That place is dry dust sitting on top 100 or more meters of chalky deposits.<br /><br /><br />

 

[JonClarke]

Groundwater has been suspected on Mars for decades, ever since Mariner 9 and was assumed before. Hoagland did not predict it. If he says he did, he is lying, just like if he claims to be the first to have thought of oceans on Europa. <br /><br />Don't rely on Hoagland for your information about Mars or anything else. Start using other sources.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Do not rely on Jon Clarke for information about Mars or anything else.

 

[telfrow]

Nope, don't rely on someone who might know what the <b>heck</b> they're talking about...<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:UVTIE8MeZowJ:aca.mq.edu.au/People/jclarke.htm+jon+clarke+mars&hl=en<br /><br /><i>Note the list of papers at the bottom of the page...</i><br /><br />http://www.marssociety.org.au/amec2002/program.shtml<br /><br />http://www.nssa.com.au/ocs/viewabstract.php?id=78&cf=5<br /><br />http://www.nssa.com.au/ocs/viewabstract.php?id=56&cf=5<br /><br />http://www.science.uts.edu.au/news/2004/jonathonclarke.html<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/shocked.gif" /><br />...this guy has no idea what he's talking about.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Nope, he knows nothing at all about Mars…<br /><br />http://chapters.marssociety.org/canada/expedition-mars.org/ExpeditionOne/reports/geogoals.php<br /><br />https://monroe.vianet.net.au/~mhchost/AMEC2003.html<br /><br />http://www.univelt.com/htmlST/htmlMars/v107stco.htm<br /><br />http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/space/SpaceRepublish_1071845.htm<br /><br />http://www.marsinstitute.info/epo/asia-pacific-roundup.html<br /><br />http://marssociety.senecac.on.ca/ExpeditionOne/<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>