Did Earth Weight Increase since there was no Creation?

[SpeedFreek]

Fate? I'm not sure science deals with fate. Isn't that where philosophy comes in?<br /><br />To me, fate is yet another way that people rationalise the world around them. A leaf falls from the tree when it dies. A dog runs after a ball and knocks over an old lady. I throw a six twice in a row with a dice...<br /><br />It's all just stuff that happens! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Science can try to predict these events using statistical anlaysis, of course.<br /><br />But fate is also used to describe when you know something is going to happen. Your fate is that you will eventually die somehow. So is mine. A machines fate is that it will eventually break down.<br /><br />Cutestars/Killbill, have look at the subject of Entropy.<br /><br />Have fun <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

True. When I said "Fate," I didn't mean the classic Fate spoken of by the Philosophers. Just that events occur beyond your control, and that's that.<br /><br />Nature of life and all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bdewoody]

Another thread hijacked <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Not a problem, as our thread-starter was due to be banned.<br /><br />And so he was. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[alokmohan]

The condition of earth changed a lot since it was created.Sun was very hot and the volatile matters of disc of sun went away to further distance and so gas giants have so much gas.The water vapour in the disc did not move away that far.When sun cooled down there was excessive rain on earth,all ditches were filled.So originally we had oceans only.Then after lot of evolution,we have reached this state.The are too many volcanoes beneath the oceans and they ejected magma ,created continents .Plates cracked they shifted .Due to p-late tectonis,lands and continents are drifting.Mass is same but earth has changed a lot.

 

[Boris_Badenov]

<font color="yellow"> And I don't like Liver or Fava beans.</font><br /><br />If I cooked them you might<img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>

 

[SpeedFreek]

<font color="yellow"> There are no spirits, souls, or other such entities, such as religious gods, goddesses, beings or such things in the sciences. The likelihood of such idea being created solely and totally by human brains, without any existence outside of human brains, verges on certainty. </font><br /><br />I, as an atheist who discounts gods etc, can not discount some of the phenomena that have been reported throughout history. I know that science doesn't deal with things like "souls" but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It may just mean science cannot deal with those phenomena yet.<br /><br />Consider all the reports throughout history of ghosts, visions, telepathic communications, out of body experiences, etc etc. There does seem to be something going on. We have tended to put either a dogmatic religious interpretation onto these events, or a psychological explanation, but there are no real answers yet so maybe these events do actually occur due to unknown laws of physics and we just don't understand the mechanics of them.<br /><br />There are numerous cases of, say, a twin who gets a feeling something bad has happened, and then finds out afterwards that their other twin is in some sort of trouble. This is a commonly reported phenomenon. Should science discount it? We cannot prove these things happen using scientific method yet, but the mechanics behind it all could be plausible and understandable.<br /><br />If the brain comprises of neurons and connections, and we attribute the processes of the mind to having electrical impulses flowing around the brain and the nervous system, could there maybe be some sort of interaction between minds at something similar to the quantam level? I know this is just pseudo-science and is unfalsifyable at present, but maybe we should not discount all "paranormal" phenomena. Maybe some analogue of the laws of conservation mean that minds after death may not be destroyed, but only change their form.<br /><br />To get back t <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>

 

[alokmohan]

We are straying from topic perhaps.we may discuss earth as a planet.Earth, of course, can be studied without the aid of spacecraft. Nevertheless it was not until the twentieth century that we had maps of the entire planet. Pictures of the planet taken from space are of considerable importance; for example, they are an enormous help in weather prediction and especially in tracking and predicting hurricanes. And they are extraordinarily beautiful. <br />The Earth is divided into several layers which have distinct chemical and seismic properties (depths in km): <br /><br /><br /> 0- 40 Crust<br /> 40- 400 Upper mantle<br /> 400- 650 Transition region<br /> 650-2700 Lower mantle<br /> 2700-2890 D'' layer<br /> 2890-5150 Outer core<br /> 5150-6378 Inner core <br />The crust varies considerably in thickness, it is thinner under the oceans, thicker under the continents. The inner core and crust are solid; the outer core and mantle layers are plastic or semi-fluid. The various layers are separated by discontinuities which are evident in seismic data; the best known of these is the Mohorovicic discontinuity between the crust and upper mantle. <br />Most of the mass of the Earth is in the mantle, most of the rest in the core; the part we inhabit is a tiny fraction of the whole (values below x10^24 kilograms): <br /><br /> atmosphere = 0.0000051<br /> oceans = 0.0014<br /> crust = 0.026<br /> mantle = 4.043<br /> outer core = 1.835<br /> inner core = 0.09675<br /><br />The core is probably composed mostly of iron (or nickel/iron) though it is possible that some lighter elements may be present, too. Temperatures at the center of the core may be as high as 7500 K, hotter than the surface of the Sun. The lower mantle is probably mostly silicon, magnesium and oxygen with some iron, calcium and aluminum. The upper mantle is mostly olivene and pyroxene (iron/magnesium silicates), calcium and aluminum. W

 

[eagledare]

I just have to bring this map in to show the spreading parts in. For the earth to have stayed the same size there have to be equal subduction as there is spreading. All the subductions have to be on the continents as all sea beds are younger than the continents. Why is there any continents left? <br />Just look at Ganymede the easiest body to see expansion taking place http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html Clip #10.<br />

 

[newtonian]

speedfreek - Interesting. I, on the other hand, reject belief in the immortal soul doctrine (Ezekiel 18:4 - the soul dies), believing the simple and scientifically accurate Biblical statement that we return to the dust (clay, etc) from which we were formed.<br /><br />On the other hand, I do believe in God and creation.<br /><br />Ironically, many scientists accept that extraterrestrial life likely exists, including some more advanced than we - even godlike in powers and abilities - yet they reject the existence of God, who is, of course, extraterrestrial life.<br /><br />The evidence for ghosts, spirits, etc. are mostly lower forms of extraterrestrial life - and, be warned: evil and dangerous, often deceptive and appearing as angels of light.<br /><br />Things are not always as they appear.<br /><br />Now, back on topic - earth's tectonic plates are currently moving very slowly. However, Noachina flood models often include catastrophic movements of earth's plates due to catastroiphic condensation and/or accretion of water and the resultant pressure on a then much thnner crust.<br /><br />There were likely more than one such condensation/accretion catastrophe, and comets may indeed have been involved, at least as catalysts for cataclysm.<br /><br />Many scientists are rethinking the old uniformitarian models and realize earth also had catastrophic episodes.<br /><br />Earth size would likely be effected slightly by catastrophic accretions - perhaps more than slightly, btw.<br /><br />Compare theories for the origin of our moon for an incredibly catastrophic example - I doubt the new popular model, btw - but certainly catastrophe and not just uniformitarian processes have effected the movement of earth's tectonic plates.

 

[CalliArcale]

Wonderful explanation, crazyeddie. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Regarding subduction and the formation of mountain ranges, perhaps the most visceral evidence for plate tectonics is on a large relief globe which shows oceanic terrain as well as land. At subduction zones, you see deep chasms in the seafloor and then big, rugged, young mountain ranges on the continent. The continental plate has buckled from the strain. That's another reason why the continents don't fit together exacly like a perfect puzzle; the process of continental drift does deform them somewhat.<br /><br />Of course, it's not always an oceanic plate meeting a continental plate. The Indian subcontinent drifted across the Indian ocean and rammed into Asia many many many many many years ago. There is no subduction zone there -- both plates are crumpling upwards into enormous mountains. This is why the Himalayan Plateau is so staggeringly tall. All of the world's tallest mountains are there.<br /><br />The process that sundered India from Africa is not over. Africa is still splitting apart. Madagascar has already split away, and there is a tremendous gash down the continent where it is beginning to split in yet another location. Most of it is now known as the Great Rift Valley, and its northernmost extent is home to some fantastically hostile terrain with active volcanoes and other geothermal features.<br /><br />And that's not the only continental plate that is cracking under the strain as other plates push against it. The North American plate is also. A thin strip along the western coast, right near the subduction zone where the Pacific dives under North America, is peeling away. The strip is moving northwards, along a line that follows the Gulf of California and the infamous San Andreas Fault. This is why that area is so earthquake-prone; this thin strip of land (on which quite a lot of people live) is rubbing against the rest of the North American plate.<br /><br />In fact, ea <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[eagledare]

Poster: CalliArcale<br /><br />The process that sundered India from Africa is not over. <br /><br />Me: Maybe I can get this answered in this thread. How did India cross the ocean rift between africa and where it is now.