Facinating article: Iapetus artificial construct!

telfrow · Mar 29, 2005

I'll get a new mantra when you get a new paragdigm, Telfrow. Sure thing, Max. When you explain to me what the heck a "paragdigm" is... Ah darn, you changed it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · Mar 29, 2005

>Just wondering if Mr Clarke can "prove" those pics are natural or if he is just relying on more theory as accepted fact.Okay Max, hold still, don't move....BLAM!!!That, my friend, was a clue. Given that every other object orbiting every planet in the Solar System is, to the best of our knowledge either natural or manmade, it is up to YOU to prove that Iapetus is not natural as well.You are the one making the claim, therefore you have to prove it...wait, actually, forget it. Since you haven't demonstrated the capability to produce even a single original thought, I'll just wait with bated breath for your continued dumb parroting of RCH's theories.

telfrow · Mar 29, 2005

Just wondering if Mr Clarke can "prove" those pics are natural or if he is just relying on more theory as accepted fact. A dynamic retort. Deflection, misdirection and avoidance all in one sentance! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Mar 29, 2005

Mr. Hoagland contends that it could also be a modified moon Fine...then what is the mass and density of a moon with an artificial "shield" built around it? If you, or the other Hoagland supporters can't answer the question, I guess we'll have to wait for RCH to produce another five part article that provides you with the answer. And while we're at it, isn't it strange none of those supporters have tried to defend the fact he "fudged" the numbers (which I detailed in an earlier post) in his oft referenced article? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

lifebeyond · Mar 29, 2005

NajaB, I am stunned by your accusation that I utilize CNS depressants, because I don't use any such drug or medication. I am also not amazed and excited all the time. But when I see a clearly geometric shape to an object that should be a sphere I am very stunned. When I see clear edges and GEOMETRY I am FACINATED. Oh, and by the way, Iapetus has an orbit unique to every other moon in orbit around Saturn. That's a fact and just go ahead and try to refute it, and I will have to dive into the data and pull up the specs on it's orbit for you to eat with salt and pepper. Oh, and about my spelling... I am exhausted, because I am a working class person that pushes himself very hard just to earn a meager living. If I had the luxury of not working full-time or quite often even more, attending college full-time instead of on and off because of the stress/cost/expenses of being the bread-winner for my mother and brother, and could have the chance to ever catch my breath then I might spell perfectly. However, I am willing to admit I am not perfect, not a perfect speller, and not an expert on space or science. But I know enough of the basics to realize that Iapetus is very unique, facinating, and is a true anomaly. My posts are of worth because they are helping to alert people to the anomaly of Iapetus. The TRUTH of the matter is that there are many people on this board and elsewhere that realize Iapetus is unique, it deserves further imaging, and are NOT scared to disobey momma brookings. You can trash, bash, and slander me all you want. It's okay! Really! But the data is the data, and Iapetus is one amazing engima!

lifebeyond · Mar 29, 2005

Once again.. Tonight on Coast to Coast AM Richard C. Hoagland will be giving an update about Iapetus. http://www.coasttocoastam.com

geos · Mar 30, 2005

Sometimes to get good observations you have to take a few chances. What is the most NASA could lose? We don't get as good pictures of iceballs?

Saiph · Mar 30, 2005

Haven't you read the thread? Iapetus is being imaged whenever the opportunity presents itself. Calli already pointed out that there is a new picture posted each day (for now) of Iapetus. However, adjusting the orbit is a complex maneuver, not to be taken lightly. Doing so now, with a satellite designed primarily with Titan and Saturn in mind, is not the best option. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

geos · Mar 30, 2005

The key to doing this at all, within Cassini's existing fuel margin, is the timing ... so Cassini and Iapetus reach the same point in space when Iapetus is crossing THROUGH TITAN'S orbital plane!! That make ALL the difference. And it happens TWICE every 80 days.

djd1 · Mar 30, 2005

DJD, sorry but these are the best images of the Face available. I hope you enjoy them, I am convinced that no one viewing them adequately will be able to escape the possibility however minute that there may indeed be products of intelligently artificial manufacture strewn about the plains of Cydonia. KeithLaney Very clear and interesting images. You have to admit when viewing the images you can clearly see it is a geological formation. There was a lot of criticism of NASA not sending the rovers to this location, looking at the terrain i am not surprised. My humble opinion it looks like a canyon with mountainous regions in the middle.

Saiph · Mar 30, 2005

I'm not saying it can't be done. I said it's complex. You also have to consider the timing of Cassini's orbit, as it may not pass the right region at the right time for the transition. This also interupts the intense observation of Titan, the satellites primary mission, for which it is designed, and which everything is geared. I'm sure there are even legal reasons why they can't change the orbit in such a way without a very, very, very good reason. Afterall, NASA has signed contracts with researchers (and vice versa) to study titan. So, for now, Iapetus should be monitored when it is convenient and prudent to do so. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

geos · Mar 30, 2005

Have these researchers (or ANYBODY) explained why Titan's (AND VENUS) atmosphere is NOT IN EQUILIBRIUM? Why bother looking closer at Titan? They won't be able to explain it!!

Saiph · Mar 30, 2005

what do you mean by "not in equilibrium"? Why bother? Because if you never gather any more data, you'll never be able to explain it. Also, the interesting features on Iapetus were not known before Cassini got there, so it's hard to plan the mission to look at those. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

geos · Mar 30, 2005

You have noted that Titan is the main target and researchers need to go there. Titan and Venus atmospheres are not in chemical equilibrium. That makes them VERY YOUNG and USELESS for determining what HAS been going on for billions of years. These "researchers" are going to back up other observations that explain nothing - we are WAITING for some reason to look closely at Titan even though THERE IS NO MODEL for Titan - why look when no one wants to admit "the solar nebular model" is BROKEN. The Solar Nebular theory is broken - why look close at Titan when it can never be explained in the first place.

geos · Mar 30, 2005

Why look at Titan? Answer: "we need to confirm our models" Me: What model? Answer: "the model we have that explains how Titan could have an atmosphere for billions of years without leaking away" Me: What model? Answer: "It is a work in progress." Me: You got nothing!!

geneftw · Mar 30, 2005

How can you not see right angles and hexagons!? I guess I could put the image in Paint and draw outlines and arrows, but that would not gaurantee that you see them, even then. Anyway, I don't know if you do image stuff, I don't know if this would help, but here's a link that could help: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA06166 And the image I'm posting shows where the one above came from. EDIT: I just looked at the image, again, and spotted a pentagon and an octogon. BTW: Howdy. Pleased to meet you.

geneftw · Mar 30, 2005

I hate waiting for image approval after posting. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" />

geneftw · Mar 30, 2005

I meant to put this in, a minute ago

najab · Mar 30, 2005

>I am stunned by your accusation that I utilize CNS depressants, because I don't use any such drug or medication.I never said any such thing (though, given your apparent excitability, it is something you might wish to discuss with your mental health provider).> Iapetus has an orbit unique to every other moon in orbit around Saturn.Well, uh, duh. If it's orbit wasn't unique (dfn: applying exclusively to a given category or condition or locality) then it would hit the other Moon in the same orbit, so I guess that is true. It is unique, but there is NOTHING unusual about it, and there's no need to invoke non-natural processes to explain it.

JonClarke · Mar 30, 2005

It is certainly quite an amazing place. Here are some more images. http://www.ozoutback.com.au/postcards/postcards_forms/tas_s/Source/5.htm http://www.australienbilder.de/serien/seiten/e-tas21.htm I did my undergraduate studies at Tas uni, and we used to call the site an Atlantean relic just for fun. One of our first year exercises was to be divided into pairs, get issued with a compass-clinometer, and spend about 4 ours working out how it formed. All good stuff and very instructive. cheers Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Mar 30, 2005

Let's deal with one body at a time. If you want to discuss Titan or Venus, start another thread. Same for those who want to talk about Mars. Start your own thread, keep this one Iapetus. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

geneftw · Mar 30, 2005

Why is it so difficult for some of you to debate like gentlemen/ladies rather than bickering like a gradeschool brats?

najab · Mar 30, 2005

Because the average Hoagland disciple's argument goes like this: "Here in my left had I have a trans-dimensional teleportation device. How do I know it is one? Because I have another one in my right hand. What, you want proof? You're just part of the conspiracy to supress this knowledge. Just like NASA."

telfrow · Mar 30, 2005

Jon, I agree. This thread has become a series of advertisements for Hoagland's web site and his personal appearances, and has become a textbook example of the techniques of misdirection, deflection and avoidance. We're supposed to be dealing with the issue of the artifical construction of Iapteus. If posters want to discuss Cydonia, Mars, Venus, Titan, etc., etc., then open secondary threads. It was easier to keep my middle school students focused and on task. <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · Mar 30, 2005

>And it happens TWICE every 80 days.I understand that Hoagland's writing isn't the clearest, and I know most of his flock don't even have the basic understanding of science that would prevent them from regurgitating his nonsense, so...BLAM!!!There's your clue. Iapetus crosses the Saturnian equator twice every 80 days, true. But Cassini does not...one more time for those who came in late: Cassini is in it's own orbit around SATURN, not Titan's orbit, not Iapetus' orbit not even Phoebe's orbit - it does not cross the ring-plane every 80 days.

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