Gravity and Magnetism

[origin]

<p>Lets see if we can put this in terms you are farmiliar with.&nbsp; What you are saying is magnetism attracts iron and gravity attracts mass so they are the same.&nbsp; Anyone who has studied these things knows this to be false.</p><p>It is like saying an artic fox and a wolf are the same thing.&nbsp; They are both canines.&nbsp; They both eat meat.&nbsp; If you squint and from a great distance they look similar.&nbsp; But they are not the same, foxes are tiny compared to wolves, foxes do not hunt in packs and no fox is going to bring down a fully grown caribou.&nbsp; They are different species, mkay.</p><p>They are different no matter that there is some simularitites between them.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Lets see if we can put this in terms you are farmiliar with.&nbsp; What you are saying is magnetism attracts iron and gravity attracts mass so they are the same.&nbsp; Anyone who has studied these things knows this to be false.It is like saying an artic fox and a wolf are the same thing.&nbsp; They are both canines.&nbsp; They both eat meat.&nbsp; If you squint and from a great distance they look similar.&nbsp; But they are not the same, foxes are tiny compared to wolves, foxes do not hunt in packs and no fox is going to bring down a fully grown caribou.&nbsp; They are different species, mkay.They are different no matter that there is some simularitites between them.&nbsp; <br />Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>More like saying that a polar bear and bumblebee are the same thing.</p><p>Maybe the aerodynamicists who "proved" that a bumble can't fly forgot to tell the insect, but the bear got the message loud and clear.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>More like saying that a polar bear and bumblebee are the same thing.Maybe the aerodynamicists who "proved" that a bumble can't fly forgot to tell the insect, but the bear go the message loud and clear. <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>But.. </p><p>What if you stapled the polar bear to the bumblebee?</p><p>Maybe Aaupaac could try that and let us know?&nbsp; After all, it seems like a logical way to get the polar bear airborne.. or Aaupaac.&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>More like saying that a polar bear and bumblebee are the same thing.Maybe the aerodynamicists who "proved" that a bumble can't fly forgot to tell the insect, but the bear go the message loud and clear. <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV><br />That's why you have DNA's.&nbsp; Gravity and magnetism is like evolution.&nbsp; Same thing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's why you have DNA's.&nbsp; Gravity and magnetism is like evolution.&nbsp; Same thing. Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>No. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's why you have DNA's.&nbsp; Gravity and magnetism is like evolution.&nbsp; Same thing. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>No.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; No. </p><p>Not even close.</p><p>Three is no relation whatever between gravity/magnetism and evolution.</p><p>None.&nbsp; Nada.&nbsp; Zero.&nbsp; Zip.</p><p>You can raise a totem pole using a pulley, a heavy rock and gravity.&nbsp; Try doing that with a magnet.&nbsp; Unless, of course the totem pole is magnetic.</p><p>&nbsp;<img id="page_productsGrid_assetCell1-preview" class="realviewImageHover" src="http://rlv.zcache.com/totem_poles_magnet-p147691503176221420tdcm_210.jpg" alt="Totem Poles magnets" title="Totem Poles magnets by quetzal323" /><br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; No. Not even close.Three is no relation whatever between gravity/magnetism and evolution.None.&nbsp; Nada.&nbsp; Zero.&nbsp; Zip.You can raise a totem pole using a pulley, a heavy rock and gravity.&nbsp; Try doing that with a magnet.&nbsp; Unless, of course the totem pole is magnetic.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>I understand what you're trying to say.&nbsp; I know that wood is not magnetic, I used to believe once upon a time.&nbsp; Never, will stick, or quicken like the magnetic object, like metal.&nbsp; No, not reacting in the same manner, that, becomes non magnetic in our opinion.</p><p>&nbsp;The magnetic of nonmagnetic objects is what I am saying.&nbsp; It is unbelieveable, but true. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand what you're trying to say.&nbsp; I know that wood is not magnetic, I used to believe once upon a time.&nbsp; Never, will stick, or quicken like the magnetic object, like metal.&nbsp; No, not reacting in the same manner, that, becomes non magnetic in our opinion.&nbsp;The magnetic of nonmagnetic objects is what I am saying.&nbsp; It is unbelieveable, but true. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />Not only is it unbelievable, that entire post is a non-sequitur!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>"<strong><em>Non sequitur</em></strong> (Latin for "it does not follow."), in formal logic, is an argument where its conclusion does not follow from its premises.<sup class="reference"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></sup> In a <em>non sequitur</em>, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. All formal fallacies are special cases of <em>non sequitur</em>.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand what you're trying to say.&nbsp; I know that wood is not magnetic, I used to believe once upon a time.&nbsp; Never, will stick, or quicken like the magnetic object, like metal.&nbsp; No, not reacting in the same manner, that, becomes non magnetic in our opinion.&nbsp;The magnetic of nonmagnetic objects is what I am saying.&nbsp; It is unbelieveable, but true. <br />Posted by <strong>Aaupaaq</strong></DIV></p><p>In the future please observe the rules re: the posting of appropriate warnings at the top of any post that may need such a warning.&nbsp; Thx.<br /><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/9/42ab1067-f392-4b98-b966-49d3bdd6ec2b.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand what you're trying to say.&nbsp; I know that wood is not magnetic, I used to believe once upon a time.&nbsp; Never, will stick, or quicken like the magnetic object, like metal.&nbsp; No, not reacting in the same manner, that, becomes non magnetic in our opinion.&nbsp;The magnetic of nonmagnetic objects is what I am saying.&nbsp; It is unbelieveable, but true. <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>No. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's why you have DNA's.&nbsp; Gravity and magnetism is like evolution.&nbsp; Same thing. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />I think I see what you are saying.&nbsp; I have a rather large magnet, and if I were to drop it on my toe it would hurt like hell.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now&nbsp;if I were holding an armadillo and dropped it on my toe it would also hurt like hell.&nbsp; Therefore, it logically follows that magnets and armadillos are the same thing.</p><p>The only difference is if I had a pet magnet instead of a pet&nbsp;armadillo I would not&nbsp;have to by <em>Purina Armadillo Chow</em>.</p><p>Does that about sum up your position?&nbsp; Excuse me while my head explodes....</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand what you're trying to say.&nbsp; I know that wood is not magnetic, I used to believe once upon a time.&nbsp; Never, will stick, or quicken like the magnetic object, like metal.&nbsp; No, not reacting in the same manner, that, becomes non magnetic in our opinion.&nbsp;The magnetic of nonmagnetic objects is what I am saying.&nbsp; It is unbelieveable, but true. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>It is unbelievable anyway.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think I see what you are saying.&nbsp; I have a rather large magnet, and if I were to drop it on my toe it would hurt like hell.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now&nbsp;if I were holding an armadillo and dropped it on my toe it would also hurt like hell.&nbsp; Therefore, it logically follows that magnets and armadillos are the same thing.The only difference is if I had a pet magnet instead of a pet&nbsp;armadillo I would not&nbsp;have to by Purina Armadillo Chow.Does that about sum up your position?&nbsp; Excuse me while my head explodes....&nbsp; <br /> Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Hi origin.&nbsp; No that is not what I am saying.&nbsp; I am saying all non magnetic objects are magnetic, a little too miniscule to detect, for magnetism.&nbsp; But they're magnetic, is what I am saying.&nbsp; So, even when a sedimentary rock may be non-magnetic in our opinion, it is magnetic to an extent we do not perceive or detect.&nbsp; Like the pull of gravity, is just magnetism.&nbsp; But magnetism is like magnefied.&nbsp; Like taking all the air out of the water container and making it vacuum, making it more refined or similar to this effect. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi origin.&nbsp; No that is not what I am saying.&nbsp; I am saying all non magnetic objects are magnetic, a little too miniscule to detect, for magnetism.&nbsp; But they're magnetic, is what I am saying.&nbsp; So, even when a sedimentary rock may be non-magnetic in our opinion, it is magnetic to an extent we do not perceive or detect.&nbsp; Like the pull of gravity, is just magnetism.&nbsp; But magnetism is like magnefied.&nbsp; Like taking all the air out of the water container and making it vacuum, making it more refined or similar to this effect. <br />Posted by <strong>Aaupaaq</strong></DIV><br /><br />OK, let me rephrase what you just said and hopefully clarify.&nbsp; I agree that using magnetic feilds, a force can be exerted on some things considered normally non-magnetic.&nbsp; The usual example being the levitated frog.&nbsp; That said it doesn't mean magnetism and gravity are the same thing or even closely related.&nbsp; Gravity depends on mass and nothing else and magnetism depends on ... well things I can't explain to you.&nbsp;&nbsp; That a physical thing may respond to a magnet or to gravity doesn't make them the same.&nbsp; A leaf falls to the ground due to gravity.&nbsp; A leaf is blown by the wind.&nbsp; If the wind therefore the same as gravity ?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[origin]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp; The usual example being the levitated frog.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br />Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV><br /><br />I think the real question is can you levitate an armadillo.&nbsp; If you can then I think gravity and the wind are in fact exactly the same thing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rubicondsrv]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think the real question is can you levitate an armadillo.&nbsp; Posted by origin</DIV><br /><br />sure you can (if you can afford the energy cost)</p><p>currently it is not possible to produce superconducting magnets of the strength necessary to levitate animals.</p><p>the bigger the object the more energy used.</p><p>in theory you could levitate a human this way but it would be cheaper to send them to LEO.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>sure you can (if you can afford the energy cost)currently it is not possible to produce superconducting magnets of the strength necessary to levitate animals.the bigger the object the more energy used.in theory you could levitate a human this way but it would be cheaper to send them to LEO.&nbsp; <br />Posted by rubicondsrv</DIV></p><p>It has been possible to produce superconductors that can levitate much much larger masses for many years.&nbsp; A gravity wave detector that was built in the early 1970s was based on levitating an aluminum bar that, as I recall weighed something like 1500 lb.&nbsp; It was coated with niobium and cooled to very low temperature so that it could be levitated.&nbsp; Not a problem.</p><p>Cooling an armidillo to about 0.03K might be a bit hard on the animal, but it would float in the magnetic field with no problem.&nbsp; The superconducting coating might also be a problem -- flame spraying niobium or something like that on the armidillo could be a touchy operation.</p><p>Generally it is not the magnet that is superconducting.&nbsp; The magnetic fields tend to interfere with the superconducting state.&nbsp; But superconductors&nbsp;float in a magnetic field readily, the eddy currents that are induced by the impending motion resist that motion and float the superconductor.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think the real question is can you levitate an armadillo.&nbsp; If you can then I think gravity and the wind are in fact exactly the same thing. <br />Posted by <strong>origin</strong></DIV><br /><br />Levitating armadillos (? armadilli ?) is easy,&nbsp;it's the landing that's hard.&nbsp; Given their armour you'd have guessed otherwise. In any case to get back OT, I follow your logic and therefore conclude gravity and a trebuchet are the same thing.</p><p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/10/8bd2d108-6d17-497c-9aa1-1dba9895c1d4.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Levitating armadillos (? armadilli ?) is easy,&nbsp;it's the landing that's hard.&nbsp; Given their armour you'd have guessed otherwise. In any case to get back OT, I follow your logic and therefore conclude gravity and a trebuchet are the same thing. <br /> Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV></p><p>I think it takes undoubtedness completely in order to manipulate bad things turn it into good.&nbsp; You must use the force for good only. &nbsp; Where's luke?&nbsp; He should know about it! ;-)&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p>http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=24068021&feedname=CP-SCIENCE&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True</p><p>&nbsp;Correct me if I'm wrong, but presumption is opposite to reality? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/News/ContentPosting?newsitemid=24068021&feedname=CP-SCIENCE&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=TrueCorrect me if I'm wrong, but presumption is opposite to reality? <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />I don't know what the series of words you wrote is suppose to mean.&nbsp; But I think that according to <em>your theory</em>&nbsp;coupled with&nbsp;the conclusions of the article you cited that it would be possible to launch a dead armidillo into orbit simply by tossing it into the air under the magnetic anomoly.</p><p>Gee, science is really&nbsp;weird when you are unencumbered by reality!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't know what the series of words you wrote is suppose to mean.&nbsp; But I think that according to your theory&nbsp;coupled with&nbsp;the conclusions of the article you cited that it would be possible to launch a dead armidillo into orbit simply by tossing it into the air under the magnetic anomoly.Gee, science is really&nbsp;weird when you are unencumbered by reality! <br />Posted by origin</DIV><br /><br />Do tinfoil hats protect against armidillos? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Do tinfoil hats protect against armidillos? <br />Posted by <strong>MeteorWayne</strong></DIV><br /><br />What do you mean?&nbsp; An African or European armadillo ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What do you mean?&nbsp; An African or European armadillo ? <br />Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV><br /><br />Hmmm, perhaps that's shiny side in/shiny side out? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't know what the series of words you wrote is suppose to mean.&nbsp; But I think that according to your theory&nbsp;coupled with&nbsp;the conclusions of the article you cited that it would be possible to launch a dead armidillo into orbit simply by tossing it into the air under the magnetic anomoly.Gee, science is really&nbsp;weird when you are unencumbered by reality! <br /> Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Like David Blaine and Cris Angel? </p><p>http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081216-earth-breathes.html</p><p>Habits of gravity and magnetism! &nbsp;</p><p>I've said that the air we breath is like a damper in an umbrella, or a parachute when you fall down.&nbsp; That is what making deciphering the force to come to a halt.&nbsp; Because if there was no air, then yes you could toss your armedallo into orbit.&nbsp; The non magnetic objects, which are prone to weight of the element, require same amount of energy in order to relocate it.&nbsp; The amount of energy being released, will make the object to move, and we require more energy input when we're going vertically up. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>