Gravity and Magnetism

[jdweston]

<p>It was recomended to me to post this over here.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>T&rsquo;was the night before Everything</p><p>By Daniel Weston</p><p><br />T&rsquo;was the night before, (as if night mattered) <br />and all through the universe,<br />not a fermion was stirring, <br />not a quark or it&rsquo;s inverse.</p><p>Everything was nothing <br />yet in a moment later,<br />the size of a dot, <br />something - an energy radiator.</p><p>Then a phase transition, <br />caused a cosmic inflation,<br />that grew exponentially towards, <br />quark-gluon plasmatiation.</p><p>An excess of quarks as it cooled <br />In the first seconds,<br />by the time down to a billion K, <br />an annihilation dance beckons.</p><p>Time not to rest still way too hot, just not as hot as before,<br />particle energies drop, now the physics we can&rsquo;t ignore.</p><p>379,000 light years later<br />the electrons and then nuclei combine,<br />Still 11,000 plus degrees C, <br />now into atoms it finally sublimes.</p><p><br />Then slowly gravitationally attracted, <br />to nearby each others and more,<br />two, four, eight, a million,<br />soon sextillions and decillions galore.</p><p><br />Then speckles and sparkles,<br />like first falling snow,<br />gives a depth to space, <br />and a pattern to the glow.</p><p><br />When out on the edge,<br />a shutter, and chatter,<br />from the swirls and the collapses, <br />out-shed matter.</p><p><br />When, what to the deep <br />and the deeper should show,<br />But a star that lasts more <br />then a fleeting you know.</p><p><br />With a force super lively <br />and light way too bright,<br />They shine, fade, expand, <br />and explode with the might.</p><p><br />More and more the elements <br />by orbital came,<br />And they spun in layers, <br />and periodic by name!</p><p><br />"Take Hydrogen first! <br />and now Helium! too, <br />make Lithium and Carbon <br />to name just a few!</p><p>Now, Nitrogen!, Now Oxygen! Now Beryllium and Boron!,<br />Now more and more and more they flew on!</p><p>To the column of the group and rows of little balls,<br />Now fusion away! Fusion away! Fusion away all!"</p><p>And then, in a twinkling of stars, <br />and a swill of dust danced,<br />Galactic arms twist to a center, <br />that disappeared into blackness.</p><p>Pulled towards the hole, <br />with one last drift around,<br />Down the chimney the light went <br />with only a slight sound.</p><p><br />Gravity wins or does it really a few great minds must ponder,<br />Does something leak out and fatten the warp, they now all wonder.</p><p>Space-time bends and it twists, <br />but does it break or falter.<br />Can we ever know just one <br />everything equation or another.</p><p><br />With all this and that when you add all the parts,<br />the mass not enough to hold the whole thing should fall apart.</p><p>The numbers not-exact but checked time and time again by the add-ers,<br />There&rsquo;s only one answer (maybe), it's full of Dark matter!</p><p><br />Will it grow forever, <br />until it&rsquo;s runs out and lapses,<br />Just can&rsquo;t stay the same, <br />must at least relapses!</p><p>But what is the mass balance <br />and how will we know,<br />whether times runs forever, <br />or someday backwards to no.</p><p><br />We measured the shift rates and much to our surprise,<br />not only just away they all flew but still accelerating, we weren't very wise.</p><p>So we heard it exclaim,<br />I go &lsquo;perpetually out of sight,<br />"Happy forever to all, <br />and to all a very slowly dimming night!"</p><p><br />---30&mdash;&nbsp;</p>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It was recomended to me to post this over here.&nbsp;T&rsquo;was the night before EverythingBy Daniel WestonT&rsquo;was the night before, (as if night mattered) and all through the universe,not a fermion was stirring, not a quark or it&rsquo;s inverse...Posted by jdweston</DIV></p><p>OUTSTANDING!</p><p>/applause</p><p>You should post that in the Physics forum!&nbsp; Excellent! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[origin]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Like David Blaine and Cris Angel? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081216-earth-breathes.htmlHabits of gravity and magnetism! &nbsp;I've said that the air we breath is like a damper in an umbrella, or a parachute when you fall down.&nbsp; That is what making deciphering the force to come to a halt.&nbsp; Because if there was no air, then yes you could toss your armedallo into orbit.&nbsp; The non magnetic objects, which are prone to weight of the element, require same amount of energy in order to relocate it.&nbsp; The amount of energy being released, will make the object to move, and we require more energy input when we're going vertically up. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />I have found a very slight flaw in you logic.&nbsp; If there was no air there would be no magnetism.&nbsp; There is no air on the moon and you only weigh 1/6 of what you weigh on earth so that means the magnetism of the moon is dimenished -right?&nbsp; So if there was no air on earth the dead (african!) armadillo (still clutching the coconut husks in his claws) would not have any&nbsp;weight because the earth is much bigger than the moon so the decrease in the magnetism would be much larger!&nbsp; Since it did not weigh anything it would have no mass so you could not apply any force to it (F=ma) so if you tried to launch it in space it wouldn't move.&nbsp; I think this scenario is only true north of the artic circle - but I could be wrong on that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have found a very slight flaw in you logic.&nbsp; If there was no air there would be no magnetism.&nbsp; There is no air on the moon and you only weigh 1/6 of what you weigh on earth so that means the magnetism of the moon is dimenished -right?&nbsp; So if there was no air on earth the dead (african!) armadillo (still clutching the coconut husks in his claws) would not have any&nbsp;weight because the earth is much bigger than the moon so the decrease in the magnetism would be much larger!&nbsp; Since it did not weigh anything it would have no mass so you could not apply any force to it (F=ma) so if you tried to launch it in space it wouldn't move.&nbsp; I think this scenario is only true north of the artic circle - but I could be wrong on that. <br /> Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Thank you for your goodness.&nbsp; I have learnt that atitude is the key to a good conversation and learning.&nbsp; What you've said about no air and no magnetism, is what I've said in the size, smaller planets, weaker pull of this force.&nbsp; I believe there is some activity on the moon that might show us the magnetism activity.&nbsp; It's in the line of day and night.&nbsp; Shadow and exposed light.&nbsp; That fine line, is where the fine sands on moon might be blowing, following the force that the light creates.</p><p>I've also said that, because we are so small, we think we know everything.&nbsp; In nothingness, you will need something like rocket launching place or like when the 100 meter dashers use at the start of the race, the foot hold thingy.&nbsp; We would need something like that if we want to go forward in no air.&nbsp; The energy we created will be wasted if there is no same principal as this foot hold for sprinters.&nbsp; This is what I mean when we misinterpret the size, the universe, let alone, the earth is too big. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp; In nothingness, you will need something like rocket launching place or like when the 100 meter dashers use at the start of the race, the foot hold thingy.&nbsp; Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>Well said.&nbsp; The foot hold thingy is called a starting block.</p><p>Down south here we will often nail a couple of armadillos into the track with 15" spikes and use them as starting blocks.</p><p>As you also said how could a rocket possible move without air to push against.&nbsp; I think sir Isac somebody or other talked about action and reaction or some such nonsense but with out including magnets giving of gravity what could he really have known.&nbsp; If an armadillo were mounted on a boom coming off the back of the rocket maybe the thrust would hit the&nbsp;armadillo and push the rocket forward.&nbsp; Better yet if the nose of a rocket was packed with magnets maybe the intese gravity in the front of the rocket would make fly through space without using fuel.&nbsp; I wonder if that idea has been patended.<br /><br />This science stuff is easy!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thank you for your goodness.&nbsp; I have learnt that atitude is the key to a good conversation and learning.&nbsp; What you've said about no air and no magnetism, is what I've said in the size, smaller planets, weaker pull of this force.&nbsp; I believe there is some activity on the moon that might show us the magnetism activity.&nbsp; It's in the line of day and night.&nbsp; Shadow and exposed light.&nbsp; That fine line, is where the fine sands on moon might be blowing, following the force that the light creates.Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>HUH ?</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I've also said that, because we are so small, we think we know everything.&nbsp; In nothingness, you will need something like rocket launching place or like when the 100 meter dashers use at the start of the race, the foot hold thingy.&nbsp; We would need something like that if we want to go forward in no air.&nbsp; The energy we created will be wasted if there is no same principal as this foot hold for sprinters.&nbsp; This is what I mean when we misinterpret the size, the universe, let alone, the earth is too big. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>The above almost makes sense.&nbsp; If by "we" you meant an astronaut jumping then yes he would need a foot thingy.&nbsp; If by "we" you meant an astronaut in a rocket then no, the rocket doesn't need a foot thingy or it's rocket equivalent. No launch pad is needed for the rocket to go forward.</p><p>And I very much doubt anyone here thinks they know everything.&nbsp; Having doubt and asking questions is an important part of practicing "science".</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well said.&nbsp; The foot hold thingy is called a starting block.Down south here we will often nail a couple of armadillos into the track with 15" spikes and use them as starting blocks.As you also said how could a rocket possible move without air to push against.&nbsp; I think sir Isac somebody or other talked about action and reaction or some such nonsense but with out including magnets giving of gravity what could he really have known.&nbsp; If an armadillo were mounted on a boom coming off the back of the rocket maybe the thrust would hit the&nbsp;armadillo and push the rocket forward.&nbsp; Better yet if the nose of a rocket was packed with magnets maybe the intese gravity in the front of the rocket would make fly through space without using fuel.&nbsp; I wonder if that idea has been patended.This science stuff is easy! <br />Posted by <strong>origin</strong></DIV><br /><br />LOL</p><p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/6/a521a066-9009-4aa5-86e7-138e2bae0cef.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well said.&nbsp; The foot hold thingy is called a starting block.Down south here we will often nail a couple of armadillos into the track with 15" spikes and use them as starting blocks.As you also said how could a rocket possible move without air to push against.&nbsp; I think sir Isac somebody or other talked about action and reaction or some such nonsense but with out including magnets giving of gravity what could he really have known.&nbsp; If an armadillo were mounted on a boom coming off the back of the rocket maybe the thrust would hit the&nbsp;armadillo and push the rocket forward.&nbsp; Better yet if the nose of a rocket was packed with magnets maybe the intese gravity in the front of the rocket would make fly through space without using fuel.&nbsp; I wonder if that idea has been patended.This science stuff is easy! <br /> Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Let me emphasize a little.&nbsp; Fire, is very strong, when we're dealing with no atmosphere.&nbsp; It don't matter, how we ignite in space, just as long as it ignites, tis very strong.&nbsp; And when the fuel of a star is depleted, the fire stops, and then the pushing is stopped, deceiving us and us in return calls it black hole.&nbsp; Just really, a big magnet nothing else. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[Doc_Grey]

<p>Fire is very strong when there is no atmosphere???</p><p>Aaupaaq, Aaupaaq, Aapaaq....c'mon. </p><p>I know you won't ever change your mind about Black holes but you must at least understand how fire works!</p>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...Aaupaaq, Aaupaaq, Aapaaq....c'mon. I know you won't ever change your mind about Black holes but you must at least understand how fire works! Posted by Doc_Grey</DIV></p><p>Never underestimate Aaupaaq's apparent capacity for ignorance.&nbsp; </p><p>(I don't know any other way to put "a capacity for lacking comprehension/understanding/knowledge/willingness to learn, etc more succinctly and correctly.&nbsp; Ignorance is not bad in and of itself.&nbsp; It simply "is." It can be alleviated by acquiring knowledge.&nbsp; This is something that any intelligent creature can do.&nbsp; Whether they consciously desire to do that or not is another question entirely.&nbsp; My statement regarding Aupaaq is not meant to be an insult, just a comment concerning observed phenomenon.) </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[Doc_Grey]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Never underestimate Aaupaaq's apparent capacity for ignorance.&nbsp; (I don't know any other way to put "a capacity for lacking comprehension/understanding/knowledge/willingness to learn, etc more succinctly and correctly.&nbsp; Ignorance is not bad in and of itself.&nbsp; It simply "is." It can be alleviated by acquiring knowledge.&nbsp; This is something that any intelligent creature can do.&nbsp; Whether they consciously desire to do that or not is another question entirely.&nbsp; My statement regarding Aupaaq is not meant to be an insult, just a comment concerning observed phenomenon.) <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>I've stated that same sentiment more or lass.</p><p>Sadly, so many postees prefer to validate their <em>"hypothesis" </em>on what they feel. Personally, on an emotional level, I hate red shift and dark energy. An accelerating expansion of the universe is kind of a bummer. However, I don't substitue an outlandish theory (or accept the existance of an afterlife) just to help me feel warm and fuzzy.<br /></p>

 

[origin]

<p>I think that you guys are missing the point.&nbsp; Making a fire in without atmosphere will increase the magnetism of the immediate surrounding because there will be no interference from the wind.&nbsp; This increase in magnitism will also increase the gravity (obviously), so when the fire goes out you are left with a larger gravity in that area.&nbsp; If this is increased to the size of a star I think it is clear that when all of the wood in the star has burned up there will be a black hole left.</p><p>This is a picture from the apollo space program.&nbsp; Notice anything strange?</p><p>Thats right!&nbsp; The flag and the astronaut&nbsp;are being drawn to the fire due to the magnetism and/or gravity - they are really the same thing.</p><p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/5/5/85bd04af-2660-4e25-a54c-abdfe2148f2a.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Let me emphasize a little.&nbsp; Fire, is very strong, when we're dealing with no atmosphere.&nbsp; It don't matter, how we ignite in space, just as long as it ignites, tis very strong.&nbsp; And when the fuel of a star is depleted, the fire stops, and then the pushing is stopped, deceiving us and us in return calls it black hole.&nbsp; Just really, a big magnet nothing else. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />And just to clarify why everone is laughing at you and shaking their heads, I will state the obvious, 3rd grade physics.</p><p>Without an atmosphere, there can be no fire.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Notice anything strange?Thats right!&nbsp; The flag and the astronaut&nbsp;are being drawn to the fire due to the magnetism and/or gravity - they are really the same thing. <br />Posted by <strong>origin</strong></DIV><br /><br />I thought I noticed something tetrahedrahl about that fire so I sent it to RCH for image analysis.&nbsp; Well RCH got right to the heart of it as you can see from the crop below.&nbsp; I believe, I believe .....</p><p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/14/ecb81ba3-4341-4992-9eb9-859efe26cfac.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[Doc_Grey]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think that you guys are missing the point.&nbsp; Making a fire in without atmosphere will increase the magnetism of the immediate surrounding because there will be no interference from the wind.&nbsp; This increase in magnitism will also increase the gravity (obviously), so when the fire goes out you are left with a larger gravity in that area.&nbsp; If this is increased to the size of a star I think it is clear that when all of the wood in the star has burned up there will be a black hole left.This is a picture from the apollo space program.&nbsp; Notice anything strange?Thats right!&nbsp; The flag and the astronaut&nbsp;are being drawn to the fire due to the magnetism and/or gravity - they are really the same thing. <br />Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Just remember that the resulting Black Hole will not be supermassive, being comprised entirely of very light (albeit highly magnetic) wood ash. </p>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just remember that the resulting Black Hole will not be supermassive, being comprised entirely of very light (albeit highly magnetic) wood ash. <br />Posted by Doc_Grey</DIV><br /><br />then it can be discarded in the ash hole... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And just to clarify why everone is laughing at you and shaking their heads, I will state the obvious, 3rd grade physics.Without an atmosphere, there can be no fire. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>How come then, u.s. whatever-nauts you call them, whether astronaut, or cosmonaut or whatever, went to moon using a big can with fire coming out of it's end?&nbsp; just the same principal, unless it was a big hoax ;-) </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[neuvik]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff99cc">How come then, u.s. whatever-nauts you call them, whether astronaut, or cosmonaut or whatever, went to moon using a big can with fire coming out of it's end?&nbsp; just the same principal, unless it was a big hoax ;-) <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</font></DIV></p><p>Because of something known as an oxidizer. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>

 

[origin]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How come then, u.s. whatever-nauts you call them, whether astronaut, or cosmonaut or whatever, went to moon using a big can with fire coming out of it's end?&nbsp; just the same principal, unless it was a big hoax ;-) <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />And who are you who is so wise in the ways of science? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Because of something known as an oxidizer. <br />Posted by neuvik</DIV><br /><br />In other words, it brought along it's own oxygen. In space where there is not enough oxygen, there is no fire, unless you supply your own. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>In other words, it brought along it's own oxygen. In space where there is not enough oxygen, there is no fire, unless you supply your own. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;Nice try Wayne, and others, but I fear that you are casting pearls before swine.</p><p><img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:7A9KCn0lxrAckM:http://lenzlight.com/artwork/pearls.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="121" height="80" /></p><p><br />&nbsp;<img style="border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ygtutLrfBnIZEM:http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6819/beautypig5my.jpg" alt="" width="93" height="123" />&nbsp;<img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:gEtCaP-gfcZBRM:http://www.zenithgallery.com/Artists/Hansen,%2520Stephen/pearls%2520before%2520swine%252015.12.11.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="80" height="80" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;<img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:hI_O6LiaiCZ72M:http://www.moplants.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/desert%2520art%2520pearls.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="126" height="65" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This thread rates a 10 on the man vs wacko chart.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even Bear would be challenged. </p><p><img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:sfEO26ARAQUfPM:http://www.livefortheoutdoors.com/upload/533243/inlines/bear%2520grylls.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="106" height="80" /></p><p>&nbsp;<img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:2dLbijazUxZm_M:http://away.com/images/outside/200711/bear-grylls-1.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="106" height="80" /></p><p><img style="border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:V7NGKXbK1OSytM:http://www.creatingexcellence.co.uk/is/images220/bear_grylls_220.jpg" alt="" width="107" height="107" />&nbsp; <img style="margin:10px10px0px;border:1pxsolid" src="http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:FaSuOQmOQT7yLM:http://www.morristsai.com/uploaded_images/bear-grylls-5-799052.jpg" alt="See full size image" width="115" height="80" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p>Survivorman Les Stroud could take him..</p><p><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/13/bf77073b-a0ee-4d05-bd8a-a1b1f3ce2722.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p>Bear is a hack. While he's busy jumping into every body of water he can find and defying death in dangerous country where the guy fishing 200 feet away might run over him when backing out of his parking spot, Les would quickly be sharpening his stick and preparing his ambush...&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Survivorman Les Stroud could take him.. Bear is a hack. While he's busy jumping into every body of water he can find and defying death in dangerous country where the guy fishing 200 feet away might run over him when backing out of his parking spot, Les would quickly be sharpening his stick and preparing his ambush...&nbsp; <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>I agree but Man vs Wild melds better with the theme of Man vs Wacko.</p><p>The big difference is that Les Stroud is alone and carries his own camera, so he is actually having to improvise to get along.&nbsp; Bear shows you how to survive with a 100 lb pack full of gear and a staff of 20 making sure you don't get into to much trouble.&nbsp;</p><p>Some of the stuff that Bear does, particular his choices of food and "water" could get you sick or injured enough to die in a real emergency.&nbsp; I teach Hunter Education from time to time, including a module on survival, and I make certain to tell the student to NOT emulate Bear.&nbsp; <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Because of something known as an oxidizer. <br /> Posted by neuvik</DIV></p><p>Does that mean that sun and stars are big oxydizers? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And just to clarify why everone is laughing at you and shaking their heads, I will state the obvious, 3rd grade physics.Without an atmosphere, there can be no fire. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>I'm guessing I can breath when I'm very close to the sun or a star then, or even catching one of the air molecules near the star that makes it ignite. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>