Gravity and Magnetism

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>... Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?&nbsp;...Posted by UFmbutler</DIV></p><p>A rhetorical question, no ?<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>By your definition, literally everything is alive.&nbsp; I am not aware of any material that neither expands nor contracts when heat is applied.&nbsp; My pencil is alive, a rock is alive, my desk is alive, EVERYTHING is.&nbsp; Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?&nbsp; Everything can't be alive, otherwise it wouldn't be necessary to have an alive/dead distinction.&nbsp; Even when a person dies they can still "expand" and "contract".&nbsp; <br /> Posted by UFmbutler</DIV></p><p>Hi UFmbutler.&nbsp; Grab your seatbelts!&nbsp; The only reason why I've said that everything is alive, is because, if the pencil, which is dead, can change a course of a path of time, I consider it alive.&nbsp; It's the perception we're having a bad time with.&nbsp; Yes, native americans may have counted without numbers, in almost such a way, we have different definition for words, because if it we're really dead, it would have never written few words, that changed the outcome.&nbsp; The pencil itself is not alive, yes, but it can do a little something.&nbsp; This planet would have been dead if it weren't doing anything, like the moons surface and would have not changed at an accelerated pace that we are causing, since the beginning of population explosion, "Industrial Revolution", or any such significant time era in your opinion, like the dirty thirties or the roaring twenties, even the thirtyeth century or something.&nbsp; Does this make sense?&nbsp; Because I know everything, that was made by humans had to originate from somewhere.&nbsp; Because I know.&nbsp; You can trust your instincts, and sometimes, it is very confusing, but eventually, the truth will be revealed to you, in a very Awesome Way!&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<p>Out of curiosity (you don't have to answer if you don't want to), are you an animist?&nbsp; That is, do you literally believe that everything has a spirit?</p><p>Gravity and magnetism are not the same at all.&nbsp;&nbsp; The main similarities are that they involve attraction, and they both follow the inverse square rule.&nbsp; (So does electromagnetic radiation, incidentally, which is why a star 50 light years away is fainter than a star 10 light years away -- the light's intensity is diminishing proportionally to the inverse square of the distance.) </p><p>Other than that, they're quite different.&nbsp; Magnetism is like gravity's bigger, badder brother.&nbsp; It's much stronger, and can overwhelm gravity.&nbsp; Ever played with a "levitation" toy?&nbsp; They use magnets to levitate objects.&nbsp; Even a relatively mild magnetic field can overpower the Earth's gravitational field.</p><p>Gravity dominates the relationship between the Earth and Moon, however.&nbsp; The Moon has no global magnetic field, and in a geologic sense, it is "dead" -- no volcanism, and its core has solidified.&nbsp; (Interesting factoid: moonquakes go on for a long time, unlike earthquakes, because the Moon is solid and rings like a bell.&nbsp; The Earth's interior is liquid, so shockwaves damp out fairly quickly.)&nbsp; "Dead" celestial bodies cannot generally produce global magnetic fields.&nbsp; (They can have local magnetic fields, essentially fossil remnants of global magnetic fields.)&nbsp; So the Moon has negligible magnetic influence on Earth, but a profound gravitational influence, despite the fact that gravity is much weaker than magnetism.</p><p>The Moon actually has a stronger gravitational influence on the Earth than the Sun does.&nbsp; But the Sun has a much more powerful *magnetic* influence on the Earth.&nbsp; Oh, it doesn't influence the Earth's orbit much, but the Sun's vast magnetic field interacts with Earth's magnetic field.&nbsp; This is part of what produces the aurora borealis, which you have the good fortune to know well from your high-latitude homeland.&nbsp; (I'm jealous!)&nbsp; Charged particles are propelled away from the Sun, carried in magnetic bubbles, which interact with the Earth's magnetosphere and are funnelled down towards the magnetic poles.&nbsp; When they start running into the Earth's atmosphere, they cause it to glow, and the dancing, active magnetic field lines suddenly become visible to the naked eye!&nbsp; Sheets of glowing ions, following the magnetic field.&nbsp; It's breathtaking, and I've only ever seen it twice. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Out of curiosity (you don't have to answer if you don't want to), are you an animist?&nbsp; That is, do you literally believe that everything has a spirit?Gravity and magnetism are not the same at all.&nbsp;&nbsp; The main similarities are that they involve attraction, and they both follow the inverse square rule.&nbsp; (So does electromagnetic radiation, incidentally, which is why a star 50 light years away is fainter than a star 10 light years away -- the light's intensity is diminishing proportionally to the inverse square of the distance.) Other than that, they're quite different.&nbsp; Magnetism is like gravity's bigger, badder brother.&nbsp; It's much stronger, and can overwhelm gravity.&nbsp; Ever played with a "levitation" toy?&nbsp; They use magnets to levitate objects.&nbsp; Even a relatively mild magnetic field can overpower the Earth's gravitational field.Gravity dominates the relationship between the Earth and Moon, however.&nbsp; The Moon has no global magnetic field, and in a geologic sense, it is "dead" -- no volcanism, and its core has solidified.&nbsp; (Interesting factoid: moonquakes go on for a long time, unlike earthquakes, because the Moon is solid and rings like a bell.&nbsp; The Earth's interior is liquid, so shockwaves damp out fairly quickly.)&nbsp; "Dead" celestial bodies cannot generally produce global magnetic fields.&nbsp; (They can have local magnetic fields, essentially fossil remnants of global magnetic fields.)&nbsp; So the Moon has negligible magnetic influence on Earth, but a profound gravitational influence, despite the fact that gravity is much weaker than magnetism.The Moon actually has a stronger gravitational influence on the Earth than the Sun does.&nbsp; But the Sun has a much more powerful *magnetic* influence on the Earth.&nbsp; Oh, it doesn't influence the Earth's orbit much, but the Sun's vast magnetic field interacts with Earth's magnetic field.&nbsp; This is part of what produces the aurora borealis, which you have the good fortune to know well from your high-latitude homeland.&nbsp; (I'm jealous!)&nbsp; Charged particles are propelled away from the Sun, carried in magnetic bubbles, which interact with the Earth's magnetosphere and are funnelled down towards the magnetic poles.&nbsp; When they start running into the Earth's atmosphere, they cause it to glow, and the dancing, active magnetic field lines suddenly become visible to the naked eye!&nbsp; Sheets of glowing ions, following the magnetic field.&nbsp; It's breathtaking, and I've only ever seen it twice. <br /> Posted by CalliArcale</DIV></p><p>Hi CalliArcale.</p><p>&nbsp;Yes, I understand what you are saying.&nbsp; I don't know what to say to deeper reveal the awesome power of this invisible force.&nbsp; The three in one, attraction and repelling, weight of particle and the pull of cell to cell or atom to atom.&nbsp; See how they are being put in place, by this force.&nbsp; The size is what we're having a very bad time dealing with it.&nbsp; Yes, magnetism is different, in force, and gravity is weaker than magnetism, and that is why I've said that the earth is alive.&nbsp; This gravity and magnetism makes changes, relocate it to this site instead of that site, lat and long may differ, because of this way of knowing, we are having a very bad time understanding each other. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<p>I think I'm getting a feel for what you're really trying to acheive with this thread.&nbsp; It's not that you're presenting a scientific opinion; it's that you are waxing lyrical on the subject of how awesome and amazing the world is.</p><p>To "wax lyrical" is to get poetic on a subject, usually because you love it a lot.&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not a bad thing, but perhaps the reason you've gotten this reaction is because in a science-related forum, getting poetic about gravity or magnetism is going to make people go "okay, cool, now so what?"&nbsp; It's not that they don't see the poetry of this stuff; it's just that they're expecting you to make a concrete point about it, and you're not.&nbsp; Your point is more philosophical.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think I'm getting a feel for what you're really trying to acheive with this thread.&nbsp; It's not that you're presenting a scientific opinion; it's that you are waxing lyrical on the subject of how awesome and amazing the world is.To "wax lyrical" is to get poetic on a subject, usually because you love it a lot.&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not a bad thing, but perhaps the reason you've gotten this reaction is because in a science-related forum, getting poetic about gravity or magnetism is going to make people go "okay, cool, now so what?"&nbsp; It's not that they don't see the poetry of this stuff; it's just that they're expecting you to make a concrete point about it, and you're not.&nbsp; Your point is more philosophical. <br /> Posted by CalliArcale</DIV></p><p>Nah, I still cannot get this across that the earth is alive, meaning moving a lot.&nbsp; We barely see it but it's moving.&nbsp; The glaciers are always moving, and this thing is being made by this rotation of this earth.&nbsp; We think that everything is dead, not moving.&nbsp; But everything is moving at different speeds.&nbsp; For example, the glaciers are retreating and forming, and that is why we think they're melting when in reality, they're going to one of their own metamorphism!&nbsp; How can I get this point across?&nbsp; Everything is moving, even the glaciers, and landmass, changing the map and it's shores and/or elevation. </p><p>Now how can I let you see something really big like antares?&nbsp; the objects, like planets revolving around them, having a specific path instead of crashing into each other, is like magnets, but gravity.&nbsp; Invisible force, keeping order.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Nah, I still cannot get this across that the earth is alive, meaning moving a lot.&nbsp; We barely see it but it's moving.&nbsp; The glaciers are always moving, and this thing is being made by this rotation of this earth.&nbsp; We think that everything is dead, not moving.&nbsp; But everything is moving at different speeds.&nbsp; For example, the glaciers are retreating and forming, and that is why we think they're melting when in reality, they're going to one of their own metamorphism!&nbsp; How can I get this point across?&nbsp; Everything is moving, even the glaciers, and landmass, changing the map and it's shores and/or elevation. Now how can I let you see something really big like antares?&nbsp; the objects, like planets revolving around them, having a specific path instead of crashing into each other, is like magnets, but gravity.&nbsp; Invisible force, keeping order.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />Sorry, my friend, but this is meaningles gibberish.</p><p>Spouting meaningless words not linked by any coherent concept will never succeed in getting your point across.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sorry, my friend, but this is meaningles gibberish.Spouting meaningless words not linked by any coherent concept will never succeed in getting your point across.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>Nahh, you just chose to be...........Ignorant, that is the only word I can think of.&nbsp; Unless the way we perceive might really be different.&nbsp; It's the action we're talking about.&nbsp; The end result.&nbsp; I don't know how to convey this idea to you.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Nahh, you just chose to be...........Ignorant, that is the only word I can think of.&nbsp; Unless the way we perceive might really be different.&nbsp; It's the action we're talking about.&nbsp; The end result.&nbsp; I don't know how to convey this idea to you.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>*mod hat on* </p><p>Careful, Aaupaaq.&nbsp; Calling someone "ignorant" isn't very nice, and it gets dangerously close to calling them stupid, which is not allowed. </p><p>*mod hat off*</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>With that out of the way, you seem to be trying desperately to convince us of something so breathtakingly obvious we all know it already -- which is why we're all struggling to figure out what your point is.&nbsp; Of course the Earth is moving all the time, and in a very complex way which makes it an extremely interesting thing to study.&nbsp;&nbsp; We know that.&nbsp; What's your point?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[tampaDreamer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think almost everyone knows the attraction and repelling properties of magnetic objects.&nbsp; This is one characteristics of magnetic and gravity I am going to try and explain again.&nbsp; Provided that we induce some voltage to an metallic element, it becomes magnetic.&nbsp; Energy from any source is energy.&nbsp; Action.&nbsp; Now, for the non magnetic particles.&nbsp; Light, is matter.&nbsp; You can feel it.&nbsp; If you did not feel it, you would have not gone to the beach and tan yourself.&nbsp; These are from the light particles.&nbsp; Fire, you can see.&nbsp; What if you break down fire, and all that, you end up with neutrinos.&nbsp; Slowly cooking you.&nbsp; Energy, is manifested in a tan.&nbsp; Also, energy will manifest in a spark or illumination.&nbsp; Energy is like action.&nbsp; Travelling.&nbsp; This invisible force, magnetic force, and when you multiply the magnetic force, you get gravitational.&nbsp; The size is what we're probably misinterpreting.&nbsp; But this force is just the same thing.&nbsp; Since light is matter, travelling towards us, to inside our eye, to the brain, just like water, when it is disturbed, or quicken, you will see the rings of waves pertruding outward.&nbsp; Pulling toward each other.&nbsp; Just force rippling toward it, and the end result is the lensing of this gravity.The cell to cell and atom to atom pull of all matter should be straight forward when you look them under the microscope.&nbsp; Attracting each other.&nbsp; We would need an external force to separate them. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/15/9cf7a266-3a07-4109-bf92-dcf71dde8338.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p>Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It's like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sorry.. couldn't resist.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It's like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sorry.. couldn't resist. <br />Posted by tampaDreamer</DIV><br /><br />Yeah, that helps a lot.</p><p>PLEASE stick to the subject of this thread.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>*mod hat on* Careful, Aaupaaq.&nbsp; Calling someone "ignorant" isn't very nice, and it gets dangerously close to calling them stupid, which is not allowed. *mod hat off*&nbsp;With that out of the way, you seem to be trying desperately to convince us of something so breathtakingly obvious we all know it already -- which is why we're all struggling to figure out what your point is.&nbsp; Of course the Earth is moving all the time, and in a very complex way which makes it an extremely interesting thing to study.&nbsp;&nbsp; We know that.&nbsp; What's your point? <br /> Posted by CalliArcale</DIV></p><p>Oops.&nbsp; My bad.&nbsp; I think I've been hearing those words a lot that I'm starting to repeat them.&nbsp; I've been called stoopid, nonsense, even during high school years, and still got those high marks, and thinking back, I think we're learning a lot and fast.&nbsp; The dark matter is nothing but magnetic force.&nbsp; Magnetic.&nbsp; We think they're gravitational pulls and lensing, but in reality, just magnetic forces.&nbsp; They can make aurora borealis, can make clicking sounds, or even humming sounds.&nbsp; I thus, thought, it must be a god, that God Himself manifested, and it has three properties.&nbsp;</p><p>One small parable, I can say is I know the ice and snow habits.&nbsp; To form a fishing hole, you need an object, to smash against the ice, to chop it off.&nbsp; You hit the ice in a circular motion, ending in a circular hole.&nbsp; Same principal applies to land mass.</p><p>In order to chop off a straight edge, you need a straight blade, with a sharp one sided edge.&nbsp; if you sharpen both sides, you'll end up with a blade that don't want to go your way.&nbsp; If only one side is sharpened, then you'll have more control of where you want to hit your target.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Oops.&nbsp; My bad.&nbsp; I think I've been hearing those words a lot that I'm starting to repeat them.&nbsp; I've been called stoopid, nonsense, even during high school years, and still got those high marks, and thinking back, I think we're learning a lot and fast.&nbsp; The dark matter is nothing but magnetic force.&nbsp; Magnetic.&nbsp; We think they're gravitational pulls and lensing, but in reality, just magnetic forces.&nbsp; They can make aurora borealis, can make clicking sounds, or even humming sounds.&nbsp; I thus, thought, it must be a god, that God Himself manifested, and it has three properties.&nbsp;One small parable, I can say is I know the ice and snow habits.&nbsp; To form a fishing hole, you need an object, to smash against the ice, to chop it off.&nbsp; You hit the ice in a circular motion, ending in a circular hole.&nbsp; Same principal applies to land mass.In order to chop off a straight edge, you need a straight blade, with a sharp one sided edge.&nbsp; if you sharpen both sides, you'll end up with a blade that don't want to go your way.&nbsp; If only one side is sharpened, then you'll have more control of where you want to hit your target.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />Sorry, all the evidence indicates that you are incorrect here. What makes dark matter so intriguing is that it's entire effect is gravtitational. If there were magnetic components, they would have been detected by now (polarization of light, etc). It's "darkness" is due to the fact that the only way it shows up it thorugh gravitation. And despite your protestations to the contrary, gravity and magnetism are NOT the same. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sorry, all the evidence indicates that you are incorrect here. What makes dark matter so intriguing is that it's entire effect is gravtitational. If there were magnetic components, they would have been detected by now (polarization of light, etc). It's "darkness" is due to the fact that the only way it shows up it thorugh gravitation. And despite your protestations to the contrary, gravity and magnetism are NOT the same. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>My bad, I also realize that we're different part than this flow!</p><p>http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081106-dark-matter.html</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My bad, I also realize that we're different part than this flow!http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081106-dark-matter.html <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />Again, totally unrelated to any magnetic effect. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Again, totally unrelated to any magnetic effect. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>My state of mind, if it were the same with everyone, everyone might have gone to the institution!&nbsp; You're saying that we're not magnetic, but despite what you're saying, we're racing towards something, and this something is caused by something no one knows!&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Then you're saying that gravity and magnetism is the same.&nbsp; If you keep on saying what you are saying, you're making me confused, you say it's not magnetic, but we're speeding right to something caused by something so big, that it's out of this universe!&nbsp; You' have got to tell me straight instead of saying this and that.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My state of mind, if it were the same with everyone, everyone might have gone to the institution!&nbsp; You're saying that we're not magnetic, but despite what you're saying, we're racing towards something, and this something is caused by something no one knows!&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Then you're saying that gravity and magnetism is the same.&nbsp; If you keep on saying what you are saying, you're making me confused, you say it's not magnetic, but we're speeding right to something caused by something so big, that it's out of this universe!&nbsp; You' have got to tell me straight instead of saying this and that.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>Magnetic does not mean attractive.&nbsp; Magnetism is a specific piece of the electromagnetic force of physics and is the result of motion of charged particles, current.</p><p>Gravity is an attractive force between massive particles, or an effect of the curvature of space-time in general relativity.&nbsp; It is not related to magnetism.</p><p>You seem to be using the terms "magnetism" and "gravity" rather loosely and not in the same sense that they are used in physics.&nbsp; This might be the source of much of the confusion.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You seem to be using the terms "magnetism" and "gravity" rather loosely and not in the same sense that they are used in physics.&nbsp; This might be the source of much of the confusion. <br />Posted by DrRocket</DIV><br /><br />That's an understatement!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Aaupaaq, please look up the terms gravity and magnetism. If you don't have a high school physics text, even wikipedia will provide a better understanding that the confused uses of the terms you apparently believe.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p>

That's an understatement!!&nbsp;Aaupaaq, please look up the terms gravity and magnetism. If you don't have a high school physics text, even wikipedia will provide a better understanding that the confused uses of the terms you apparently believe. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne[/QUOTE/]</p><p>I guess I'll try again.&nbsp; Yes I know about these magnetism and gravity and your terminology.&nbsp; I understand that you think that I cannot decipher the difference between a magnet and a gravity.&nbsp; The thing is, we just misinterpret the size.&nbsp; The actual size in reality.&nbsp; The gravity and magnetism have the basic same prinicipal, and when we get bigger, we can tug on non-magnetic particles and make a difference.&nbsp; I don't know how to persuay this to you.&nbsp; I don't even know how to reveal the enlightment of idea of how the real world works, and I perceive that you only know a fraction of how things really work.&nbsp; It's amazing when you learn about the awesome power of gravity.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I guess I'll try again.&nbsp; Yes I know about these magnetism and gravity and your terminology.&nbsp; I understand that you think that I cannot decipher the difference between a magnet and a gravity.&nbsp; The thing is, we just misinterpret the size.&nbsp; The actual size in reality.&nbsp; The gravity and magnetism have the basic same prinicipal, and when we get bigger, we can tug on non-magnetic particles and make a difference.&nbsp; I don't know how to persuay this to you.&nbsp; I don't even know how to reveal the enlightment of idea of how the real world works, and I perceive that you only know a fraction of how things really work.&nbsp; It's amazing when you learn about the awesome power of gravity.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />I think the difficulty here is that what you fail to understand is that you are wrong.&nbsp; Just that simple.&nbsp; The reason you&nbsp;do not know how to&nbsp;persuade us is not a problem with communication it is a problem with your ideas.&nbsp; You cannot persuade me that an orange is an apple even though they both grow on trees and are basically spherical.</p><p>The idea that when a magnet gets really big, the magnetism becomes gravity is just silly.</p><p>It would be the same as saying a bird and a airliner both fly so they are basically the same.&nbsp; When a bird gets really large it becomes a airliner.</p><p>It <em>is</em> amazing&nbsp;to learn about gravity - I recommend you try learning about it.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I think the difficulty here is that what you fail to understand is that you are wrong.&nbsp; Just that simple.&nbsp; The reason you&nbsp;do not know how to&nbsp;persuade us is not a problem with communication it is a problem with your ideas.&nbsp; You cannot persuade me that an orange is an apple even though they both grow on trees and are basically spherical.The idea that when a magnet gets really big, the magnetism becomes gravity is just silly.It would be the same as saying a bird and a airliner both fly so they are basically the same.&nbsp; When a bird gets really large it becomes a airliner.It is amazing&nbsp;to learn about gravity - I recommend you try learning about it. <br /> Posted by origin</DIV></p><p>Both you and I know, that Big bird will never grow to a size of that plane you're talking about.&nbsp; Get real.&nbsp; The real shocker is that gravity will play havoc with your consciousness, and end up frustrated.&nbsp; I can talk about species and family.&nbsp; Like lake trout and an arctic char.&nbsp; Manifested, almost the same species compared to sculpin or cod.&nbsp; Variation.&nbsp; Diversification, all made possible by our gravity.&nbsp; And when inbreeding comes into play, degeneration becomes noticeable.&nbsp; Hence, adaptation or evolution.&nbsp; All by gravity, temperature, and light all interacting to produce an awesome species.&nbsp; Comprende?&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's an understatement!!&nbsp;Aaupaaq, please look up the terms gravity and magnetism. If you don't have a high school physics text, even wikipedia will provide a better understanding that the confused uses of the terms you apparently believe. Posted by MeteorWayne[/QUOTE/]I guess I'll try again.&nbsp; Yes I know about these magnetism and gravity and your terminology.&nbsp; I understand that you think that I cannot decipher the difference between a magnet and a gravity.&nbsp; The thing is, we just misinterpret the size.&nbsp; The actual size in reality.&nbsp; The gravity and magnetism have the basic same prinicipal, and when we get bigger, we can tug on non-magnetic particles and make a difference.&nbsp; I don't know how to persuay this to you.&nbsp; I don't even know how to reveal the enlightment of idea of how the real world works, and I perceive that you only know a fraction of how things really work.&nbsp; It's amazing when you learn about the awesome power of gravity.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>OK, I guess that the problem is not simply one of language.</p><p>So let me clarify a bit.</p><p>It is absolutely true that I understand only a fraction of how things really work.&nbsp; Physics is still a research science and there is yet much to learn.</p><p>But I can say with complete confidence that the fraction that I understand is one hell of a lot bigger than the fraction that you understand.</p><p>What you have said regarding the relationship between magnetic forces and gravity is totally, completely, and utterly wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp;You have no idea what you are talking about.&nbsp; </p><p>There are any number of experiments that describe very quantitatively the relationship between gravity and mass and between mass and the curvature of space-time.&nbsp; You can effectively describe gravity using Newton's Law of Universal Gravitatin is most cases, and more accurately with Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.&nbsp; Those theories are extraordinarily accurate with regard to the gravitational effects that we see every day and serve admirably to describe the orbits of satellites, planet, and galaxies, to describe the ballistic trajectories of projectiles on earth, and of apples falling to the ground.&nbsp; We understand gravity pretty well.</p><p>We also understand&nbsp;electromagnetism quite well.&nbsp; The theory is very well described by Maxwell's equations.&nbsp; Even that theory has been refined and is better described by quantum electrodynamics as formulated by Feynman, Schwinger and Tomonaga.&nbsp; The source of magnetic fields from ordinary moving charges (current) and of ferromagnetism based on the quantum mechanics of atoms is well established.&nbsp; It is the movement of charged particles that accounts for magnetic fields and forces.&nbsp; This has been proved in numerous experiments that support the fundamental theories of the electromagnetic force.&nbsp; Period.</p><p>Magnetic fields require the motion of charged particles to exist.&nbsp; Gravity requires only the presence of mass.&nbsp;Both forces are described by detailed theories that produce sophisticated mathematical models which provides exquisitely accurate descriptions and are supported by a tremendous body of experimental evidence.&nbsp; Magnetic forces act on moving charges, and at a macroacopic level can be attractive or repulsive.&nbsp; Gravitational forces act on all bodies with mass, and in general relativity curve space.&nbsp; Electromagnetic energy can also have an effective mass (E-mc^2) but the gravitational effects at usual energy levels are tiny.&nbsp; But a key point is that gravitational forces are always attractive.</p><p>There are research programs in place that have as their objective the unification of all known forces -- the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and gravity.&nbsp; Unification of forces does not mean that the forces are the same at any practical level, only that one can explain their origin in a systematic way in a single unified theory.&nbsp; The forces as they act at macroscopic levels and at energy levels that are achieveable in the present are distinct and operate at different scales and in different ways.&nbsp; </p><p>Your mystical ideas of how the world works are quaint,&nbsp; Your naivete is sometimes charming.&nbsp; You might get along in the wilderness with such ideas without incurring any harm.&nbsp; Polar bears don't much care about proper quantitative descriptions or detailed understanding of gravity and magnetism.&nbsp; But in a modern technological world it is important to know the differences, else satellites, airplanes, radios, computers, electrical generators, etc. would not work too well.&nbsp; Mystical ideas that might not be detrimental in the great north woods could well prove fatal if adopted by engineers and scientists who must produce the machinery and technology that allows modern society to exist and the large current human populations of the Earth to survive.</p><p>Bottom line:&nbsp; You don't know what you are talking about.&nbsp; Your ideas are totally wrong, and if they were adopted by any large fraction of the population the results would be disasterous.</p><span class="body1"><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'"><font size="3">It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. &ndash; Mark Twain</font></span></span> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Aaupaaq]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Shh...I'm trying to find the gravitic poles!&nbsp; Then, when I reverse them.... MUAHAHAHA!&nbsp; Any of you puny mortals that don't have your feet stapled to the floor like me are going to be in for a surprise!&nbsp; MUAHAHAHAHA!&nbsp;&nbsp; / = &nbsp; <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>It's childish to say that our compasses don't work because of magnetism, or they get erratic around magnetic anomolies within our crusts, while saying this don't work.&nbsp; You say for different reasons, but I say for same reason.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's childish to say that our compasses don't work because of magnetism, or they get erratic around magnetic anomolies within our crusts, while saying this don't work.&nbsp; You say for different reasons, but I say for same reason.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>Huh?</p><p>Not sure what it is you're referring to.&nbsp; So, I'll just say "No."&nbsp; That seems to work most of the time.</p><p>PS - Did you notice the equation?&nbsp; It wasn't presented solely for humor value.&nbsp; I even corrected it a few weeks ago and put in a division sign instead of the minus sign I had up there earlier.&nbsp; Hint: If they were the same, they'd equal "1."</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's childish to say that our compasses don't work because of magnetism, or they get erratic around magnetic anomolies within our crusts, while saying this don't work.&nbsp; You say for different reasons, but I say for same reason.&nbsp; <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br />&nbsp;(Huh?)^2 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>