Gravity and Magnetism

a_lost_packet_ · Sep 30, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And this might be one of the links that would support the gravity and magnetism I'm trying to say: http://www.livescience.com/environment/080930-chemical-equator.html <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>No.  That article isn't about magnetism or specifically about gravity.  The underlying principle there is "convection."  The article is merely pointing out some interesting phenomenon within Earth's natural atmospheric convection, IMO.</p><p>Convection wiki </p><p>Atmospheric Convection wiki</p><p>Intertropical Convergence Zone wiki</p><p> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

MeteorWayne · Sep 30, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No.  That article isn't about magnetism or specifically about gravity.  The underlying principle there is "convection."  The article is merely pointing out some interesting phenomenon within Earth's natural atmospheric convection, IMO.Convection wiki <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV><br /><br />In fact it sin't about magnetism or gravity, so once again has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

Aaupaaq · Sep 30, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>In fact it sin't about magnetism or gravity, so once again has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>It might explain a little further of the truth.  Maybe I'm already there, and the rest of science will eventually learn of it, wow, the awesome force! </p><p>With the matter particles, it will be an instant hit and stop or break to pieces, and with gasous particles, a mixing of particles like a big bubble, because they're gas.  And with liquid, a more gradual like when you put food coloring to water, you see the progress. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

MeteorWayne · Sep 30, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It might explain a little further of the truth.  Maybe I'm already there, and the rest of science will eventually learn of it, wow, the awesome force! With the matter particles, it will be an instant hit and stop or break to pieces, and with gasous particles, a mixing of particles like a big bubble, because they're gas.  And with liquid, a more gradual like when you put food coloring to water, you see the progress. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />Maybe if you backed up some of your preposterous assertions with some real world physics, it would be easier to consider. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Sep 30, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It might explain a little further of the truth.  </DIV></p><p>No, it doesn't. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Maybe I'm already there, and the rest of science will eventually learn of it, wow, the awesome force!</DIV></p><p>No, you're not and science already has a good understanding of convection, gravity and magnetism, thank you. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>With the matter particles, it will be an instant hit and stop or break to pieces, and with gasous particles, a mixing of particles like a big bubble, because they're gas.  And with liquid, a more gradual like when you put food coloring to water, you see the progress. Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>Huh?  I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  Yes, you can observe some basic convection using water, some markers (something nonsoluable works best) and heat.  Other than that, I have no idea what you're saying. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

Aaupaaq · Oct 1, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No, it doesn't. No, you're not and science already has a good understanding of convection, gravity and magnetism, thank you. Huh?  I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  Yes, you can observe some basic convection using water, some markers (something nonsoluable works best) and heat.  Other than that, I have no idea what you're saying. <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>I'm saying the results when the two types of particles collide, for yin and yan, or positive and negative, like reacting.  And I'm saying that all various particles react differently, when applied to different ambience.  Like southern region is more warmer than the northern regions, and human activities are releasing a lot of different particles into the atmosphere, creating change in climate, having a global effect. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 1, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm saying the results when the two types of particles collide, for yin and yan, or positive and negative, like reacting.  And I'm saying that all various particles react differently, when applied to different ambience.  Like southern region is more warmer than the northern regions, and human activities are releasing a lot of different particles into the atmosphere, creating change in climate, having a global effect. <br />Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV><br /><br />The good thing is, you can spout whatever you want here in the Unexplained, and it will be properly ignored... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Oct 1, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And I'm saying that all various particles react differently, when applied to different ambience.  Posted by <strong>Aaupaaq</strong></DIV><br /><br />'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves<br />Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;<br />All mimsy were the borogoves,<br />And the mome raths outgrabe. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Oct 1, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>'Twas brillig, and the slithy tovesDid gyre and gimble in the wabe;All mimsy were the borogoves,And the mome raths outgrabe. Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV></p><p>...</p><p><font size="2">He took his vorpal sword in hand:<br />   Long time the manxome foe he sought --<br /> So rested he by the Tumtum tree,<br />   And stood awhile in thought.</font> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

neuvik · Oct 2, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...He took his vorpal sword in hand:   Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree,   And stood awhile in thought. <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>...of gravity and magnetism one would inquire:  </p><p>Are they one in the same or differnet by desire</p><p>The Ice people know the truth, from the fetid meat they eat</p><p>Where internet is available they're minds may transpire,</p><p>acedote proofs to cure our mislead empirical spoofs.</p><p>On SDC a wise man wrote, with no evidence, it will be all she wrote.</p><p>But never the less our ice man did march, with a message a dream</p><p>and some rotting meat.</p><p> </p><p>PS I failed poetry class.</p><p> </p><p>                                                                                                                                 <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I hope more planets fall under the ruthless domination of Earth!"</font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff">SDC Boards: Power by PLuck - Ph**king Luck</font></p> </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 2, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...of gravity and magnetism one would inquire:  Are they one in the same or differnet by desireThe Ice people know the truth, from the fetid meat they eatWhere internet is available they're minds may transpire,acedote proofs to cure our mislead empirical spoofs.On SDC a wise man wrote, with no evidence, it will be all she wrote.But never the less our ice man did march, with a message a dreamand some rotting meat. PS I failed poetry class.                                                                                                                                   <br />Posted by neuvik</DIV><br /><br />Then your instructor did not appreciate talent

<div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

Aaupaaq · Oct 2, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...of gravity and magnetism one would inquire:  Are they one in the same or differnet by desireThe Ice people know the truth, from the fetid meat they eatWhere internet is available they're minds may transpire,acedote proofs to cure our mislead empirical spoofs.On SDC a wise man wrote, with no evidence, it will be all she wrote.But never the less our ice man did march, with a message a dreamand some rotting meat. PS I failed poetry class.                                                                                                                                   <br /> Posted by neuvik</DIV></p><p>Hahahahahaha.  I like that! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Oct 2, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>..PS I failed poetry class. Posted by neuvik</DIV></p><p>But, you get an "A" in Creative Commentary Class!  Nicely done.

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Aaupaaq · Oct 7, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Are you ready?    I take it you think this invisible force is alive. Please give us your definition of alive? <br /> Posted by et_earth</DIV></p><p>Looking at the universe, hearing all the astronaumers, astrophysicists, astro somethings, they all have been saying that gravity is something mysterious, and the source of power never depletes and this is what they're wondering about.</p><p> The only energy source that I've also learnt from whites or caucassions, the newcomers, that compared to shamans, are religion leaders, and they say that gravity is what they do not know.</p><p>This force does wonderous things, it creates polynyas, prevailing winds, metigates the weather, create high and low tides, and whatever nature can throw at us, this force made it possible, at least with the help of the sun and other variables.</p><p>Also, the religion leaders which taught us when they first came up here, is that mystery revolves around the diety.  The mystery of the three in one.  Much like that, I think gravity is, hopefully, the entity will not think that I am blaspheming against him/her, it. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

Aaupaaq · Oct 22, 2008

I have a question.  I don't know if its good.  But if we take away the atmosphere, would we still see 'dustdevils' or whirlpools, if the surface is liquid?  I'm wondering, if the saturn's hexagonal storms are related to the gravity?  It must, because 'what goes up, must come down'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Oct 22, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have a question.  I don't know if its good.  But if we take away the atmosphere, would we still see 'dustdevils' or whirlpools, if the surface is liquid?  I'm wondering, if the saturn's hexagonal storms are related to the gravity?  It must, because 'what goes up, must come down'. Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>There's no "hexagonal" storms on Saturn.</p><p>You wouldn't see dustdevils as there isn't a medium to support them. </p><p>As far as taking away the atmosphere, I'm not sure how you would want to do that.</p><p>As far as whirlpools, I would think that if there are pressure and flow differences between layers of water, you'd still get whirlpools though maybe not as pronounced at the surface due to a lack of air pressure.  Then again, I'm not sure how pressure could be maintained for water in such a situation at sea-level unless conditions were much different. (gravity/temperature/etc)</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

Aaupaaq · Oct 22, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There's no "hexagonal" storms on Saturn.You wouldn't see dustdevils as there isn't a medium to support them. As far as taking away the atmosphere, I'm not sure how you would want to do that.As far as whirlpools, I would think that if there are pressure and flow differences between layers of water, you'd still get whirlpools though maybe not as pronounced at the surface due to a lack of air pressure.  Then again, I'm not sure how pressure could be maintained for water in such a situation at sea-level unless conditions were much different. (gravity/temperature/etc) <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p> Then why this?: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081013-cassini-storms.html</p><p>http://www.space.com/common/media/video.php?videoRef=070327Saturn_hexagon</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

DrRocket · Oct 22, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There's no "hexagonal" storms on Saturn.You wouldn't see dustdevils as there isn't a medium to support them. As far as taking away the atmosphere, I'm not sure how you would want to do that.As far as whirlpools, I would think that if there are pressure and flow differences between layers of water, you'd still get whirlpools though maybe not as pronounced at the surface due to a lack of air pressure.  Then again, I'm not sure how pressure could be maintained for water in such a situation at sea-level unless conditions were much different. (gravity/temperature/etc) <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>I am certain that you are correct in your statement that there are no "hexagonal" storms on Saturn.  Beyond, that I rather wonder what, in principle, a hexagonal storm might be.</p><p>Dustdevils wound indeed be rather difficult to create without dust.</p><p>Saturn is a gas giant.  If you take away the atmosphere you would have quite a different planet.  </p><p>Whirlpools are one example of rotational flow.  Rotational flow requires viscosity.  Without viscosity Euler's equations describe fluid flow pretty well, and that flow is irrotational.  No viscosity, no eddies.  Basically vortices form as a result of velocity differences that create shear forces due to viscous effects, resulting in rotation.</p><p>Why am I replying to your post on this matter and not one of the others ?  Yours makes enough sense that one can formulate a sensible reply. <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Oct 22, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Then why this?: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081013-cassini-storms.htmlhttp://www.space.com/common/media/video.php?videoRef=070327Saturn_hexagon <br /> Posted by Aaupaaq</DIV></p><p>You're right there.  I thought you were speaking of something else.  The interesting thing is that, AFAIK, it hasn't been able to be identified in the visual spectrum yet, only the infrared.</p><p>Some newer info: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081013124220.htm</p><p>But, I don't know if it is actually the properties of the storm itself that make it hexagonal or the activity and conditions around it.  I'm not good with atmospherics and can't make any informed guesses regarding that. Good catch, I should have double-checked my answer there. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Oct 22, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I am certain that you are correct in your statement that there are no "hexagonal" storms on Saturn.</DIV></p><p>Not entirely. (See above post)</p><p>However, the one saving grace is that it might be possible it's the result of forces surrounding it that produces the shape and not the storm itself.. maybe. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>.. Basically vortices form as a result of velocity differences that create shear forces due to viscous effects, resulting in rotation.Why am I replying to your post on this matter and not one of the others ?  Yours makes enough sense that one can formulate a sensible reply. Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>Thanks for that.  I'm batting 3 for 4 or worse today.

  I blame it on a current lack of coffee and too much willingness to answer quickly without even pretending to think.</p><p>But, without atmospheric pressure under current conditions on Earth, how would water oceans react and would "whirlpool" effects be as marked in the medium that was left, if any? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

Aaupaaq · Oct 23, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You're right there.  I thought you were speaking of something else.  The interesting thing is that, AFAIK, it hasn't been able to be identified in the visual spectrum yet, only the infrared.Some newer info: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081013124220.htmBut, I don't know if it is actually the properties of the storm itself that make it hexagonal or the activity and conditions around it.  I'm not good with atmospherics and can't make any informed guesses regarding that. Good catch, I should have double-checked my answer there. <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>If, in the infrared, then, those boundaries would be very likely, matter, or something that can emit hot gas?  I think there's no absolutely no air at saturn.  I think oxygenous atmosphere tend to create round boudaries, and when there's no oxygen, then the force would probably turn hexagonal or something, because of resistance.  We know gas will light when we spark it, and there are different gases, like diesel is heavier than gasoline and naphtha, when mixed with oxygen. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> We always walked on water, like skating! </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Oct 23, 2008

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If, in the infrared, then, those boundaries would be very likely, matter, or something that can emit hot gas?  I think there's no absolutely no air at saturn.  I think oxygenous atmosphere tend to create round boudaries, and when there's no oxygen, then the force would probably turn hexagonal or something, because of resistance.  We know gas will light when we spark it, and there are different gases, like diesel is heavier than gasoline and naphtha, when mixed with oxygen. <br />Posted by <strong>Aaupaaq</strong></DIV><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/3/9ae23fd8-9eb3-46d7-93e5-3fa74c178096.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 23, 2008

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neuvik · Oct 23, 2008

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DrRocket · Oct 25, 2008

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Not entirely. (See above post)However, the one saving grace is that it might be possible it's the result of forces surrounding it that produces the shape and not the storm itself.. maybe. Thanks for that.  I'm batting 3 for 4 or worse today.

  I blame it on a current lack of coffee and too much willingness to answer quickly without even pretending to think.But, without atmospheric pressure under current conditions on Earth, how would water oceans react and would "whirlpool" effects be as marked in the medium that was left, if any? <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>That article was a bit vague. but it rather sounds like there is some sort of hexagonal boundary, and not what I would call a "hexagonal storm".  That said, this might just be Benard cells, which often have a hexagonal shape (the hexagonal boundary is normal to the flow however). <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9nard_cells</p><p>http://www.etl.noaa.gov/about/eo/science/convection/RBCells.html</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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