Great Pyramid of Mars

[extrasense]

A Piramid which seem bo be a replica of the Great one, was photographed by the rover Spirit.<br /><br />Here is the link to the picture. <br /><br />Great Pyramid of Mars <br /><br />It is recommended to be viewed with 3D glasses.Enjoy!<br /> <br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[yevaud]

That's really lousy resolution.<br /><br />It looks like a mound of frosting on top of a cupcake..the ones with the multi-colored sparkles in the frosting.<br /><br />Are you sure you didn't take this picture in a bakery somewhere? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Show the object in context. It makes a difference.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[extrasense]

I knew you would not spare $3 for 3D glasses <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />es<br />

 

[extrasense]

---- context ---<br /><br />Here are the NASA originals, left and right eye<br />http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2005-02-06/2N160995620EFFA300P1821L0M1.JPG<br />http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2005-02-06/2N160995620EFFA300P1821R0M1.JPG<br /><br />You can see the pyramid agains the skyline.<br /><br />es<br />

 

[yevaud]

Better. And if you could have done that in the first place, you should've. BTW - do you think Planetary Scientists buy $3 3-D glasses? They do not. They use a variety of image analysis to scrutinive imagery.<br /><br />Which leads to the next point. It's intriguing, but well within the realm of natural formations. Witness the "Old Man of the Mountain," in New Hampshire, which resembled the face of an indian.<br /><br />I'll merely state this to you - the eminent physicist John Archibald Wheeler said this to John Huchra and Margaret Geller, when they discovered the grand structure that galaxies and super-clusters seem to form into (Sheets and voids):<br /><br />"The human eye is a great deceiver. It always sees structure and form where none exist."<br /><br />In short, a roughly pyramidial shaped rock is NOT evidence of intelligent life.<br /><br />No one here will deny you the opportunity to discuss, debate, and present evidence as to your theories. But your evidence just has got to be better than that... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

For some people like youself it is better to have no clue.<br />They would go crazy if they knew the truth.<br /><br />As to 3D glasses, for some people is better to be cheap.<br />For they would not know when to stop when spending otherwise.<br /><br />Your beloved NASA uses 3D anaglyphs. How do you think they view those without 3D glasses.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br />es<br />

 

[yevaud]

I see...<br /><br />Say. Personally, I double-majored in Planetary & Space Science and Physical Geography. I have worked in an observatory. I have worked on projects involving satellites, Fabry-Perot Inferometers, etc. Trust me, I do know how to analyze imagery and raw data.<br /><br />Secondly, it's not a matter of "I'll never know." I'm not trying to flame you, merely trying to advise you on how best to gain at least initial acceptance with your theories.<br /><br />If you present half-assed data, no one is going to even discuss it with you, except to poke fun at you. I would suspect that's not your purpose here.<br /><br />So get better data. That's all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

---- I double-majored in Planetary & Space Science and Physical Geography. I have worked in an observatory. ---<br /><br />This actually makes you a typical representative of the rotten pseudoscience that we are dealing with nowadays.<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[yevaud]

As opposed to being obstinate, mis-informed, uneducated, and having no credibility whatsoever?<br /><br />Whatever you say.<br /><br />Mods, pardon the Ad-Hominim, but this guy is just...out there, and all he's doing here is wasting processor time and bandwidth. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

You are talking to the Master of Science in the Theoretical Physics, genius.<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[vogon13]

Gentlemen!<br /><br />Personalities and epithets! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Really? Huh. Couldn't tell. Guess you can't be too good at it then. Because if you can't produce credible evidence to back up your claims <font color="yellow">here</font> then you must have some...interesting interactions with your professional peers.<br /><br />Oh, and hey! Most of your posts have been un-grammatical and misspelled, so another nail in your intellectual coffin. <br /><br />Just another one of those "I am to believed, because I say so" weenies. We get them all of the time here. Usually - like you - they self-destruct.<br /><br />By the way - and I'm certain you'll either fail to answer these correctly, or you'll disappear for an hour to do a Google search to cover your ignorance.<br /><br />1. What is strange matter?<br /><br />2. What is the "Higgs" Boson?<br /><br />3. What's an Eigenvector?<br /><br />4. What's "Differentiation?"<br /><br />5. Who were Kaluza/Klein or Yang/Mills? What relevance does Euler have to them?<br /><br />Let's see if you can pop off the correct answers in a minute or so. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

It is obviously beneath me to spend time on your nonsense, so I won't.<br />

 

[arit]

"You are talking to the Master of Science in the Theoretical Physics, genius"<br /><br /><br />pah!<br /><br /><br /><br />...and the lowest possible ranking in social skills...<br /><br />Do you think that because you are hiding behind a computer monitor you can treat other people like they were insignificant maggots?<br /><br />I am certain that if you were to meet any of the people you insult here (and Yevaud has been very pacient with you) face to face you would not dare treat them that way.<br /><br /><br /><br />And that active imagination of yours needs to see some professional help.<br /><br />arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>

 

[extrasense]

You self-agrandisement is bigger than pyramids.<br />Which sayz something.<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[yevaud]

Ahh. The predictable answer.<br /><br />1. Strange Matter - theoretical matter comprised quarks in combinations never seen.<br /><br />2. Higgs Boson - theoretical force-carrying particle for Gravity.<br /><br />3. An Eigenvector: when you take data expressed in three axis' and skew them. Very useful in image analysis.<br /><br />4. Differentiation: the process of cooling and seperating into layers of material, based on density and time of cooling, in a planetary sense. It's why heavier elements are found deep within the earth's crust, as well as why Mars has a reddish tint (faster differentiation = more pyrites on the surface).<br /><br />Now, you see. I answered those as fast as it took me to type them. You can't therefore, your assertations to having a Master's of Science in Theoretical Physics is false. You would have know each and every one of these off the top of your head.<br /><br />5. Kaluza/Klein were physicists during the early 20th century. Yang/mills built on the work of Kaluza/klein and did some of the first work on string theory (the Yang-Mills field). Euler was a mid-19th century mathemetician who *almost* stumbled onto string theory back then. Kaluza/Klein and Yang/Mills built off of his work.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[arit]

Can I try, in a minute (no google, promise)?:<br /><br />1. What is strange matter? <br /><br />No clue. Like dark matter?<br /><br />2. What is the "Higgs" Boson? <br /><br /><br />One of the new elementary particles discoveres lately?<br /><br />3. What's an Eigenvector? <br /><br />Dude, you can't ask for an answer to that one in a minute. Basically it's a vector of a unit length that describes a property. Related to eigenvalues.<br /><br /><br />4. What's "Differentiation?" <br /><br />Like in calculus? Differential equations? Rate of change.<br /><br />5. Who were Kaluza/Klein or Yang/Mills? What relevance does Euler have to them? <br /><br /><br />Kaluza- wasn't he the guy with the kalabi-yau shapes? Unknowingly laid the foundation for string theory....<br /><br /><br />(I think i am making a fool of mysel here- but I am trying, dude... Can't resist the test)<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />arit<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Arit: your answers are so much closer than anything he's said.<br /><br />Good answers, btw. Mine are slightly different, but I asked them for a reason. He couldn't possibly answer them without some serious internet searching.<br /><br />And he couldn't.<br /><br />"A tree is known by it's fruit"<br />Thomas Paine <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[arit]

Shoot! I didn't see you already answered that. Made a fool of myself...<br /><br />Nevermind.<br /><br />By the way: Eigen vectors exist in engineering as well. Slighly different meaning, though...<br /><br /><br />arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Understood. There wasn't a single correct answer, but many. I used it in context with image analysis, as that's what he was so "hot to trot" on.<br /><br />I took my degrees and went to work in the electronics industry, then administration. And *I* remember the correct answers. Clearly, he doesn't.<br /><br />Oddly, I don't get into this sort of thing. But there comes a point whwre either you know something or you don't. Like a poker game - bluff, show your cards, or fold. He was bluffing, and then folded.<br /><br />And I did tell him I was only telling him this stuff to help him make a more credible presentation... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Lol.<br /><br />Ok, I promise I'll stop talking to the inmates... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Yeah.<br /><br />I was an SDC regular several years ago, and I finally bailed for - among other, more visceral reasons - the level of acrimony from the uninformed. If you know of him, I was one of the people who was always arguing with Project_Orion, although he had a real hatred for Yales.<br /><br />But, I'm back now. Hopefully calmer... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[arit]

Yevaud,<br /><br />Well, maybe you weren't here when he started his "blue flowers on mars" thread. I recommend for you to read it (also here on seti) to get an appreciation of who you are dealing with. <br />He presented us with a gibberish of formulas proving his flower concept. Usually, when people see a bunch of formulas, they say amen. <br />But space.com is not the place to try that bluff. People here actually LOVE complicated formulas. Tough luck.<br /><br />But he doesn't learn from his mistakes. I saw him posting formulas on the brick thread a while ago....<br /><br /><br />Regards<br /><br />arit <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Yeah, I didn't know. Ah, well, live and learn (hopefully).<br /><br />If you remember Project_Orion - I understand he was behind the database crash last year - he used to pop off how it was "ok" to launch Orion's in the atmosphere. A little radioactivity - no problem!<br /><br />Yales and I even used to tell him that we had no metaphoric problem with the Orion propulsion system if used in deep-space, just not in the atmosphere, LEO or MEO. Didn't work. He was so god-awful certain of himself. His ideas were haphazard, dangerous and foolish, but he never got it.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>