images by esa show MARS green river valley

ChrisS057 · Mar 12, 2006

I've just seen a couple of images released by ESA (posted on a newsgroup the originals have been removed by ESA (allegedly)). One appears to show a green river valley with vegitation growing each side of a greener river the other (laugh) a working open cast mine with some vegitation at the bottom left corner of the image. I've reposted them at http://www.chrisscrazyideas.co.uk/ look under Mars. I do not vouch for the authenticity of these images, but people are being killed over issues like this over here. Chris.

ChrisS057 · Mar 12, 2006

Here is the other image

h9c2 · Mar 12, 2006

There's another one here: http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/198-280605-1104-6-co-01-NicholsonCrater_H.jpg And there's an explanation here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/green_mars.html

mlorrey · Mar 12, 2006

Have you considered that there are natural minerals that have green colors? Copper oxides, for example. Helenite, trinitite, among others. Not all that greens is growing.

ChrisS057 · Mar 12, 2006

I read through the information and I understand that Themis is an infrared camera with filters for making a false colour image. Since I don't have the raw data I cannot make a jugment myself. However the distribution of the green area in the images I display are an indication of their biological nature as they hug the river bed as biology would do since it is wetter there. However christian religious prejudice as well as scientific caution make it difficult to make a decision. I've heard that an Esa specialist with sprectrul data has been recently told that she will be killed if she does not drop her research and some time ago when a man used the hubble to do a spectrum of mars he was leuctomised. Both announced that life had been discovered from their interpretation of the spectrum. Unless the Christians who are responible for these murders can be persuaded to accept life elsewhere then the human race will not progress and our decendants will be ignorant of our discoveries and humankind will decend into the stone age. I have been told that British executions by lobotomy (called treatment) for this reason are running at 5000 a month and like Kosova fear and death stalk Britain. Can I have my life back, please?

telfrow · Mar 12, 2006

I've heard that an Esa specialist with sprectruli> (sic) data has been recently told that she will be killed if she does not drop her research and some time ago when a man used the hubble to do a spectrum of mars he was leuctomised. Both announced that life had been discovered from their interpretation of the spectrum. Those are serious allegations. Please provide links to reputable news sources to support those claims. Edited for spelling. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

mental_avenger · Mar 12, 2006

The VIS camera in THEMIS is a push-broom camera. It has five filters laminated to the surface of a 1024 x 1024 CCD element. These filters are aligned consecutively in the downtrack direction. Each filter is about 200 pixels long and 1024 pixels wide. The CCD is scanned about once every second, which is the time it takes for the Odyssey to move almost the width of a filter. Therefore, each filter is scanned just before it has crossed over into new territory. There is a 25 pixel row overlap, and this overlap is used to help align successive images together. The result is that the camera can obtain continuous images on each of the five filters at the same time. The only limitation to downtrack image length is the available memory. Some of the interesting points: 1) The Odyssey spacecraft passes over a specific point on Mars once every 4 months. 2) The spacecraft spends 15 minutes each day taking pictures, and 23 hours 45 minutes transmitting data back to Earth. 3) The buffer in the VIS camera has a 4 megabyte capacity so it can store 19 single band images or 3 five band images. 4) The visible image camera must wait for the IR camera to transfer data to the spacecraft memory because they use the same data bus and the IR camera has priority. 5) The VIS has an overlap of 25 rows. 6) The IR camera transmits data at 4Mbps. 7) The VIS camera transmits data at 1Mbps. 8) The IR band of the VIS is very noisy and has poor resolution. 9) The THEMIS camera has been operational since March, so images will be available in Sept-Oct. after their 6 month product generation and validation period. 10) The PIP was a proposal, and some current mission parameters may not coincide with that document. The Visible Image Camera in THEMIS has filters in 5 visible bands, well, not quite. The bands are: 1---- 0.870µm INFRARED 4---- 0.751µm RED - 780-622 3---- 0.652µm RED - 780-622 xxxxx---- no filter orange - <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

mental_avenger · Mar 12, 2006

<table border="1"> <caption>THEMIS IR Camera Spectral Bands</caption> <tr><th rowspan="2"><th colspan="1">IR Band<th rowspan="1">Center Wavelength<th> Bandwidth</th> <tr> <tr><th><td>1<td>6.78 µm <td>1.01 µm <tr><th><td>2<td>6.78 µm <td>1.01 µm <tr><th><td>3<td>7.93 µm <td>1.09 µm <tr><th><td>4<td>8.56 µm <td>1.16 µm <tr><th><td>5<td>9.35 µm <td>1.20 µm <tr><th><td>6<td>10.21 µm <td>1.10 µm <tr><th><td>7<td>11.04 µm <td>1.19µm <tr><th><td>8<td>11.79 µm <td>1.07 µm <tr><th><td>9<td>12.57 µm <td>1.81 µm <tr><th><td>10<td>14.88 µm <td>1.87 µm

ChrisS057 · Mar 13, 2006

I spoke to the individual concerned on the 5 February 2006 (Sunday) in a "place of safety" where she asked for permission to stay as her fear was great and my own experience of the Christian Church here and the fate of a few of my friends tells me her fear was justified and I have been treatened to. It was a priest at the christain church service called "tom" , it is an anglican church, who gave me the figure of 5000 executions a month. He said they called it "Extreme Unction" this is where a person is killed for offending the teachings of the Christian Faith. Because of this threat it must be said that green may not mean "life" and the colours are open to question as they are an interpretation. Unfortunately the Christians say "life CANNOT exist outside the earth as it will mean the teachings of the church are false and since our law is absolute then any suggestion of other life is false and people who claim to have found it must die. The murder of Bruno 300 years ago was just another example of how the church of christ keeps alive and my friend Maia was executed by brain destruction on prime time tv a while ago, she wanted to marry me... I think the church of christ are the most violent killers of all time and totally evil. And there is no escape. Mass murder is going on now as in the past by men of the cloth. A pin in my steering wheel was found missing recently and failure of the steering would have been catastrophic... Like Northen Ireland, and other places the evil of religion manifests itself. They even talk of religious tolerance and freedom... I have heard other tales from people affected by a threat to be killed for other religious reasons. Britain is not as a desirable residence as it was. Living in fear Chris.

mental_avenger · Mar 13, 2006

What information do you have to back up your claim? Very few Christians believe that “life cannot exist outside Earth”. I can’t think of any denominations that teach that. Most denominations of Christianity are quite comfortable with the possibility of life on other planets. In fact, some passages in the bible are interpreted as God having made many other worlds. Therefore, there is no basis for your claim in the first place. BTW, there are about 49 million people living in England. 5000 executions per month would amount to 12% of the total number of deaths in England. I am sure that would be noticed. IOW, your accusation is utter nonsense. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

ChrisS057 · Mar 13, 2006

I personally know five cases and heard three people say they have been threatened, that is quite a lot and I was myself threatened yesterday at church. Obviousely as they whittle down the numbers of their enemies the monthly total executions would be reduced. Another person just told me that in America the monthly total runs at 20,000 souls. It must be 1940 and hitler won or we live in Stalinist Russia. Stalin would be amazed and the efficiency of the killing, no one is noticing anything. The dead can't report it and the living don't notice it or just ignore it. Chris.

pocket_rocket · Mar 13, 2006

When you grow up and have children, I'm betting they have a fear of the 'preacher under the bed'.

unlearningthemistakes · Mar 13, 2006

LOL!! ha! ha! ha! post of the day. that is clericophobia. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> pain is inevitablesuffering is optional </div>

qso1 · Mar 13, 2006

After reading this nonsense, I see no reason to believe your assertions on Martian green splotches being vegetation. 20,000 executions in America? Isn't it more like 3 or 4 death row inmates executed? 20,000 people killed by the christians would be noticed for sure. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

mlorrey · Mar 14, 2006

If you fear the church so much, why do you even go? 20,000 executions a month? Are you crazy? That would mean that of the 12,000 people in my hometown, 12 are executed every year. Sorry, you are a nutcase and need some help. FYI, Extreme Unction is a sacrament of giving last rights to those close to death or in danger of dying. It is given to Catholics all over the world who are sick in a hospital awaiting risky surgery or on the verge of death, who are waiting for death at a hospice or at home, or in some cases, devout catholics about to undertake a dangerous mission, such as going into combat, being launched into space, etc. It is also given to people who are about to be executed, but it has nothing to do with actual execution. You are sorely misinformed and/or ignorant. When a priest says 5,000 brits receive extreme unction, that means that priests give that many people last rites.

thespeculator · Mar 14, 2006

About those photos, Have you ever heard of the green sand beaches of Hawaii? Well, they are not green because of plants, but because of sodium chloride. Yep, that could be salt... Or it could be some other green mineral... Or it could be the filter that the camera was using... ect... About the murders; You should be reporting that to the cops, not us. They'll believe you, for a period of time.

ldyaidan · Mar 14, 2006

"20,000 executions a month? Are you crazy? That would mean that of the 12,000 people in my hometown, 12 are executed every year. Sorry, you are a nutcase and need some help. " yeppers...But, hey, at least it's not a rock.... Rae

unlearningthemistakes · Mar 14, 2006

green <s>rocks</s> plants?? remote possibility, but still a possibility. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> pain is inevitablesuffering is optional </div>

ChrisS057 · Mar 14, 2006

These "Executions" I speak of are done by making a cut in rolands convolution or fissure that divides the frontal lobe from the rest of the brain. It is a natural division of the brain and the patient does not die. Over a period of time healing takes place and all memories disappear, the person has to re-learn all his skills and start again with his life's experiences. So he is "Born again". I some cases the damage does not recover and the persons remains are badly crippled. This has been done to me more than once for reasons I don't understand. The authorties may have thought I was "too intelligent" for a worker or something and the concept of life elsewhere caused the British establishment to get paranoid about a communist take over and removed me as this concept is illegal under British contitutional law. Most inmates in gulags called psychiatric hospitals are put through this procedure because they know something that they should not. Most of the establishments reasoning is delusional as there was never ever a plot of revolution. Our leaders are paranoid. So these "Executions" do not involve any deaths but often the people are lost to their relatives. I just point out the green looking areas. I hope they are vegedation as it will end Western delusional thinking that generates harmful religious practices. My opinion is that "following Jesus" has no connection with life outside the earth and thus should represent no problem to Christians, however the pope and other leading church men have other ideas. He may have meant 5000 admissions into psychiatric hospitals a month over the whole of England. Many are admitted because they are homeless, destitue or unemployed.

qso1 · Mar 15, 2006

Chriss057: I just point out the green looking areas. I hope they are vegedation as it will end Western delusional thinking that generates harmful religious practices. Me: Unfortunately this won't change a thing. Religion is only as good as the people that practice it and the vast majority are not out to kill. I'm not particularly religious but the worst thing I have ever put up with from Christianity is preaching while outside the Church. Even if it could be proven the green acres of Mars were actually fauna. It wouldn't change the religious whackos that do exist out there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

CalliArcale · Mar 15, 2006

FYI, this is not the appropriate forum for a religious discussion. Nor for discussion of conspiracy theories. The green stuff on Mars is very appropriate for this forum, though. I suggest everybody sticks to the discussion of green Martian stuff. Or, if people would rather focus on the religious or conspiracy-theory elements of this thread, I can move it to Phenomena or Free Space. It's on-topic in either of those. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff." -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

mental_avenger · Mar 16, 2006

Let me put this in terms you might be able to understand. I tried the technical angle and it had no effect. Perhaps you have seen a night-vision scope. It can see in the “dark” because it does not require light that is within our visual range. It detects Infra-red wavelengths, or heat. The circuitry then takes the IR images and shifts them all upwards in frequency, into our visual range. The buildings and the streets and the people are not all really green, even though it shows up that way on the screen. Green is the color chosen to display the image we could not otherwise see. We already know that the hills on Mars are not bright canary yellow, so we know that the images you posted are false-color images. What you are seeing in the images are not different colors of terrain, but rather areas of different temperature. The areas that are shaded from direct sunlight will be cooler, and the areas that are getting direct sunlight will be warmer. It appears that the color that has been used to show cooler temperatures is green, and the color chosen to show warmer areas is yellow. Therefore, the temperature range shown in the image goes all the way from the coolest temperatures (the darker green) up through lighter green, darker yellow, and up to the warmest temperatures shown as the lightest yellow. You can see how this corresponds to the visual range of colors on the color wheel below, where the lightest yellow is closer to the warm end of the spectrum (red) than the darker green. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

perticelli · Mar 16, 2006

Is Chris serious in these assertions of paranoiia and "executions"? I came here to read and learn and discuss issues of space and SETI and find crackpots hijacking threads with nonsense. If you have data to at least corroborate your claims, pls bring it forward, toherwise, go to ezboard.com and start a message board...

ChrisS057 · Mar 17, 2006

I apologise for the diversion however it is real and some Britains live in fear. Maia screamed and screamed before the anasthetic knocked her out. She worked for either Nasa or Esa on an earth return mission to Mars and an inteliegent arm and eye and a planning rover to reduce the traffic to program it to pick up rocks on Mars. I do not know the type of colour, real or false, but I believe it was a real colour image. Yes there are green sands we get them in Alum Bay on the Isle of White and a sand made from Olivine or copper carbonate would fit the bill, I just wish a nice leaf, stalk or flower would poke up and say "i'm here, I'm life". The spectrum should say what it is with absolutely no doubt. I've not seen that mentioned by Esa.

mlorrey · Mar 17, 2006

One should wonder about the claims of someone whose friends are all mental patients. So far as I know, there are no real true color images coming from any Mars probes. They all use black and white with color wheels and filters. The reason for this is that you need to understand that all the probes there right now were built with CCD camera technology that is 4-8 years old, when B/W CCD chips were much higher resolution because the consumer color digital camera market had yet to really take off. The Rover pancams are 'multispectral' 1 megapixel cameras. Here is a page detailing the different filters used: http://www.ominous-valve.com/pancam.html The ESA Mars Express camera does appear to be color, though it is more than a decade old in technology: http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMSXE1PGQD_0.html This is also a 1 megapixel camera. At highest resolution it images 2.3 meters per pixel. This means that a single pixel on the surface at highest resolution is taller than a single man. Spotting anything on the surface other than very large life forms if they existed would be very difficult. The fact that neither Rover has come across a single set of footprints in the past few years means there is no such life. However it Express has generated some fantastic imagry. http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/Water-vapur-concentration.GIF Here is a scan showing atmospheric water vapor concentrations. Chriss057, you need to understand how rough conditions are on Mars. With only 10 millibars of CO2 atmosphere, even extremophiles would not survive on the surface. Now, one of your images I've found the proper copy of here:

images by esa show MARS green river valley

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