Mars Settlement: Phase I Summary

[grooble]

There is no rush though is there, it doesn't matter if takes till say 2040 right?

 

[spacester]

Dude, we're not getting any younger!<br /><br />I talked about the impatience thing a bit on the NASA / PSA thread.<br /><br />The standard expectation is that man on Mars is "decades away". The standard expectation in the 1970's was that it's "decades away". Ditto for the 1980's and 1990's. The point of all these Mars Settlement threads is to do it sooner than later. <br /><br />It's time to start making it happen rather than resign ourselves to the whims of fate.<br /><br />If we get started right away and work hard at it and it still takes until the 2040's, I can live with that. I don't think that will be the case. The next low-energy windows in the 18-1/2 year cycle are 2014 to 2018. Let's start now so we can fly stuff then. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[grooble]

I suppose it could be possible in that time frame to get some progress under the belt, fly some missions and do extensive research.

 

[spacester]

<font color="yellow">I suppose it could be possible in that time frame to get some progress under the belt, fly some missions and do extensive research. </font><br /><br />That's the spirit! Think big, everyone! We're gonna try to get market penetration to the tune of 39 million Americans contributing a capital budget of $3Billion a year. Take that cashola and tons of freely contributed expertise, add excellent karma from the direct connection to school kids of all ages all across the land, use plain old yankee ingenuity, good old boy common sense, western innovation, midwest work ethic, this is doable. A lunar dome, Martian Settlement and resource extraction from the Near Earth Asteroids: it can be done. <br /><br />Envision year after year with hundreds of thousands of people-hours of development effort at the disposal of the PSA. Everything that would go into space would be mocked up by volunteers and students: we talked about the direct connection with flown hardware: there it is. Enthusiastic involvment would ensue. We would get stuff done. Money would flow from the PSA to the schools, how cool is that?<br /><br />OK I let myself ramble there, but I don't wanna apologize. . . . <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br />***<br />This thing started as an intellectual exercise but it seems to have taken on a life of its own.<br /><br />I'm gonna pull the trigger on turning this thing from an intellectual exercise into a credible effort to do exactly what we've talked about.<br /><br />Grooble, you ready to do a website?<br /><br />Who else wants to do a website?<br /><br />We've got plenty of free bandwidth available! <br /><br />All we need is a domain name. What do you think, does<br />www.peoples-space-agency.com work?<br /><br />(We'd also want .org and .net if we can swing it.)<br /><br />Anybody want to buy a domain name or two or three? Wanna get in on the ground floor and be the owner of the name of t <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[grooble]

It's too rick dobson for me. How about <br /><br />Public Space Initiative<br />Citizens Private Space Administration<br />Citizens Mars Project<br />The Peoples Exploration Group<br />Peoples Space Administration<br />Public Space Agency / Administration<br />American Citizens Space Agency<br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[grooble]

I can pay for a domain or two though, i got over $100 credit left with enom.

 

[grooble]

Some more advice from me -<br /><br />1. No new age mumbo jumbo like "we're going to settle mars to connect with the infinite intelligence of the astrologicial plane"<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> But i think you know that anyway.<br /><br />2. Organisation led by VISONARIES and SCIENTISTS/ENGINEERS not by businessmen / managers / administrators.<br /><br />The businessmen, managers, administrators must be the support structure, the backbone, the muscle, but the visionaries, engineers and scientists have to be the heart and brain. And it needs to be kept that way.<br /><br />3. Professional conduct at all times when dealing with media / public. This is dobsons mistake, whenever people don't agree with him he goes crazy and says we're all secret agents! (i wish, i could use the cash) and then no one wants to work with him.<br /><br />4. Don't treat the volunteers like children, no throwing bones with promises of greatness if they do this / that. You'll get fanatical nut jobs if you do that, and they will go crazy whenever people question your ideas and organisation.<br /><br />You want everyone involved to have passion but not be fanatic / cult like.<br /><br /><br />

 

[arkady]

I like PSA, but ...<br /><br />As someone pointed out it does have political ring to it. To be blunt it could be interpreted as communistic by association, however silly it would seem. If nothing else then on a subconscious level. If I should take a guess as to what the Chinese space agency is called, PSA would be my guess. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> I presume political neutrality is to be preferred ?<br /><br />Perhaps swap agency with Initiative to make it a bit less "governmental". Anyways it seems pretty important to get the name right. Perhaps one of those abbrews that forms a word on its own like SMART or ACE. (is there a word for that ?)<br /><br />Well if you agree on the point about PSA, maybe a brainstorm is in order.<br /><br />Public Space Initiative. (not sure I like public either)<br /><br />Bah, can't think of anything else atm. Thank God I'm not in marketing. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "<font color="#0000ff"><em>The choice is the Universe, or nothing</em> ... </font>" - H.G Wells </div>

 

[grooble]

These are some i brainstormed - <br /><br />Public Space Initiative <br />Citizens Private Space Administration <br />Citizens Mars Project <br />The Peoples Exploration Group <br />Peoples Space Administration <br />Public Space Agency / Administration <br />American Citizens Space Agency <br />Citizens Exploration Initiative<br />Joe's Space Initiative<br />Citizens Space Exploration Initiative

 

[arobie]

arkady,<br /><br />I see what you are saying and I agree. I do prefer Initiative over Agency and Administration. We want to Avoid a political ring or bad tone.<br /><br />Brainstorming...<br /><br />__________ __________ __________<br /><br />First Blank List'O Words:<br /><br />Public<br />Citizen's<br />Civic<br />People's<br />Earth's<br /><br />Second Blank List'O Words:<br /><br />Space Exploration<br />Space<br />Space Settlement<br />SpaceFaring<br /><br />Third Blank List'O Words:<br /><br />Society<br />Initiative<br />Agency<br />Administration<br />Organization<br />Group<br /><br />-People's Space Settlement Society (PSSS) P-Triple S<br /><br />-People's SpaceFaring Initiative (PSFI)<br /><br />-Public Space Exploration Society (PSES)<br /><br />-The People's Space Initiative (PSI) *<br /><br />-People's Space Settlement Organization (PSSO)<br /><br />-Earth's Space Initiative (ESI)<br /><br />Those are a few combinations that jump out at me. Try it yourselves and see what you come up with. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />The asterisk is the one I like the best.

 

[arobie]

<font color="yellow">Let's light this candle!</font><br /><br />Don't you mean...<br /><br />Let's light this rocket! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br />Well anyway's I'm game. Let's do it. <br /><br />As long as we don't widely advertise the site until we have it well done and a very good looking plan uploaded.<br /><br />Keep it quiet until it's complete, the site and the plan. <br /><br />We need to do this right. Professional, but down to Earth. We need to look good on the site. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[grooble]

Yeah, but nothing rash. You're talking a 20+ year plan. That is a good chunk of your life. How about spending the next 6 months planning and building and coming up with a coherant vision and getting some initial funding.<br /><br />So in 6 months we'd have a great website, a great plan and be off to a good start in 2006. At that point we can start putting out articles and getting on space news websites amongst other things.

 

[arobie]

grooble,<br /><br />I agree, and add that we wait however long it takes until we are ready if it takes longer than 6 months. We need to have a complete draft of a plan before we open the site to public. Now of course this plan will be subject to change as nothing ever goes the way expected, but we need to have the plan.

 

[spacester]

My best shot at an acronym:<br /><br />ACCESS: American Citizens Camping Exploiting and Seeing Space<br /><br />Which gets a lot done in terms of exhibiting the three-pronged aspect of the grand vision of developing the big three space neighborhoods. 'Camping' implies Martian Settlement, 'Exploiting' relates to the Asteroids and 'Seeing' hints at the ultimate tourist trip: the journey to the Moon.<br /><br />It's kinda busy, not short and sweet, but ACCESS would be about providing the Average Joe a chance to access space. (All fully paid up contributors would have an entry in the drawings for rides to space)<br /><br />I really like the word "citizen's" over "people's" . . .<br /><br />I see the need to have two organizations actually, one would be the Foundation and the other the Agency. The first controls the money, the second actually spends it.<br /><br />These work for me:<br /><br />'Citizen's Space Foundation'<br />and<br />'Citizen's Space Agency'<br /><br />or<br /><br />ACCESS Foundation<br />and<br />ACCESS Agency<br /><br />or<br /><br />ACCESS Space Foundation<br />and<br />ACCESS Space Agency<br /><br />Just brainstorming here, still totally open to new ideas . . I like the 'Joe' idea . . .<br /><br />So I guess to do this right from the start, we need 6 domain names in total. That would be awesome. If six different people have these domain names, we would get rid of the possibility that one of them might try to hold us hostage - we'd just shift everything to another domain if they got pissy with us.<br /><br />Great posts, grooble / arkady. I'll post this before responding to those thoughts.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[spacester]

Well now, it looks like we can do some near-real-time brainstorming this morning!<br /><br />Excellent. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[grooble]

Well i'll do 1 domain.

 

[arobie]

ACCESS<br /><br />American Citizens Camping, Exploiting, and Seeing Space<br /><br />I like it, but the only quibble I have is American. We want this to be American led, but putting American in the title makes it seem exclusively American. We want to avoid that.<br /><br />Is there any other 'A' word that we can put there?<br /><br />How about Average?

 

[grooble]

I wonder how many 1000s of groups are called Access though. It is hard to have an original acronym though.<br /><br />How about Active or All though.<br /><br />

 

[arobie]

How many of them are well known? We will have a hard time coming up with an original name. We just want to avoid any names that would be strongly associated by many people with well know organizations. <br /><br />I think using that name we could make our own identity in it.

 

[arobie]

ACTIVE<br /><br />Active (Average?)<br />Citizen's<br />T...(I'm stumped)<br />Initiating<br />Visionary<br />Exploration <br /><br />I don't know, I like spacester's acronym alot because of it's meaning.<br /><br />ACCESS<br /><br />American Citizens Camping, Exploiting, and Seeing Space<br /><br />We give everage people ACCESS to space. <br /><br />Here's a google search on ACCESS to see what is already out there with it.

 

[grooble]

From my edited post - <br /><br />Active Citizen's for the Cultivation, Exploration and Settlement of Space. (ACCESS) <br /><br />That covers your 3 basic areas: <br /><br />Cultivation - Commercial acitivities, making it habitable, solar farms etc. <br /><br />Exploration - obvious. <br /><br />Settlement - The key theme.

 

[arobie]

Ohh, ok. Cool, I like it.

 

[arobie]

I just did a domain search, and AccessSpaceFoundation.com and .org and .net are all available. <br /><br />So are AccessSpaceAgency.com, .org, and .net.<br /><br />grooble,<br /><br />Where are you going to buy a domain from? How much does it cost from there?<br /><br />So far, the cheapest I've found is Yahoo. It's price is $4.98 a year.

 

[spacester]

Are you kidding me? 5 bucks a year? That's awesome. What's the catch? Any weird fine print? This domain will get massive if things work out.<br /><br />I LIKE IT! The new version of ACCESS is much better<br /><br />Acitve Citizens Cultivating Exploring and Settling Space<br /><br />Excellent, I like it a lot.<br /><br />I want to get rid of 'Agency', that's a very good point you guys made on that.<br /><br />But there would be a Foundation and 'Something' to take place of 'Agency' . . . <br /><br />I'm a bit stumped . . . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[arobie]

According to this short article, the price is limited to only one registration at that price per person. Although I don't see that on their site. It must be in small print somewhere when you register a name.<br /><br />Also, here is a graph from December last year showing companies and their prices to buy a domain. Yahoo is indeed the lowest.